Chinese Democracy - 7 years today

[sky dog]

Monday Morning Coming Down? Lighten up Francis.

[ITARocker]

I had several friends fall in love with This I Love.  And I pissed off a lot of people on this forum thinking it should have been featured in one of the TWILIGHT sequels 

That one bombed with my crowd.  From Dad (the first person I played the album for) right on through everyone else.

Heard it all.  Andrew Lloyd Webber arrangement, juvenile lyrics, etc.




Even I, myself, waver on what I think of it.

How were the lyrics "Juvenile" ??

Yes. If you don't care for the song that's ok.  But I don't know how you can call
Such haunting lyrics juvenile.   I think the song was brilliant.  Music of the night meets
November Rain and Estranged. 

I have to disagree about this. This I love is a good song, but far from NR & Estranged. The main reason is that the other 2 songs are more structured: this I Love is basically 4 chords repeated ad libitum (maybe this could be good for a rock song):  piano, orchestra, vocals and even the first part of the solo.... the same melody played over and over.
The lyrics are good but under Axl's standards (our guy can write thousands of words on a 6-7 minutes song). The vocals are not bad, but could have been perfect with a little bit of rasp as he does (or did) during live shows, and without that stupid echo effect put on them. The great part of the song is the break, when the 2nd part of the solo starts.

In the end: To me sounds unfinished (as the whole album, except prostitute and sorry) and the song could have been a lot better.

[EmilyGNR]

There's a lot of assumptions being made when this subject is discussed. Some of them aren't even based on any facts....

Like how he's hard at work on it, you mean?

Funny how the baseless speculation tag never gets hung on that well worn chestnut.

He says (18 months ago mind you) he's going to get to work, then by god, that guy is getting to work!  You just heard him say it.

Everyone that leaves the band says they haven't written or recorded anything?  Well, don't take that at face value.  Nevermind all that.  Clearly, more to that story we aren't privy to.  And of course, anything unknown totally contradicts what the ex-band members said said to put things in a better light.

GNR fandom : Consistency Is Our Name And Logic Is Our Game

Show me where he uses the phrase "Get to Work" 

"We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out. We've worked more on some of those things and we've written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That's already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That's been done for a while, too. But after Vegas, we're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard."

[D-GenerationX]

Show me where he uses the phrase "Get to Work" 

True, he only said he was looking.

But looking VERY seriously.

[jarmo]

Like how he's hard at work on it, you mean?

No, I meant some going on about how they haven't recorded anything since 2006. For example.

Not based on facts that we have.

The rest of your post, is just more assumptions.
You're assuming, quite conveniently, that since the album didn't come out on your schedule, it hasn't been worked on at all or not enough for your liking.
Your assumption is that since you didn't see the end result yet, nothing can have been done.

Faulty logic.



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

If your opinion is that since he started looking VERY seriously at this back in early 2014, from now until present day, that a lot has been done...no, I don't share that opinion.

If that makes me a bad guy, so be it.  If what it takes to remain a fan in good standing is to just assume he's putting in a real yeoman effort on this these past few years, well, guess that means I'm not a fan in good standing.

I'm also probably less likely to buy a handful full of magic beans than some of the other folks around here, but...that's really neither here nor there.

[Annie]

I had several friends fall in love with This I Love.  And I pissed off a lot of people on this forum thinking it should have been featured in one of the TWILIGHT sequels 

That one bombed with my crowd.  From Dad (the first person I played the album for) right on through everyone else.

Heard it all.  Andrew Lloyd Webber arrangement, juvenile lyrics, etc.




Even I, myself, waver on what I think of it.

How were the lyrics "Juvenile" ??

Yes. If you don't care for the song that's ok.  But I don't know how you can call
Such haunting lyrics juvenile.   I think the song was brilliant.  Music of the night meets
November Rain and Estranged. 

I have to disagree about this. This I love is a good song, but far from NR & Estranged. The main reason is that the other 2 songs are more structured: this I Love is basically 4 chords repeated ad libitum (maybe this could be good for a rock song):  piano, orchestra, vocals and even the first part of the solo.... the same melody played over and over.
The lyrics are good but under Axl's standards (our guy can write thousands of words on a 6-7 minutes song). The vocals are not bad, but could have been perfect with a little bit of rasp as he does (or did) during live shows, and without that stupid echo effect put on them. The great part of the song is the break, when the 2nd part of the solo starts.

In the end: To me sounds unfinished (as the whole album, except prostitute and sorry) and the song could have been a lot better.

What stupid echo effect? I find the song to have a haunting and almost otherworldly vibe to it.

[EmilyGNR]

I had several friends fall in love with This I Love.  And I pissed off a lot of people on this forum thinking it should have been featured in one of the TWILIGHT sequels 

That one bombed with my crowd.  From Dad (the first person I played the album for) right on through everyone else.

Heard it all.  Andrew Lloyd Webber arrangement, juvenile lyrics, etc.




Even I, myself, waver on what I think of it.

How were the lyrics "Juvenile" ??

Yes. If you don't care for the song that's ok.  But I don't know how you can call
Such haunting lyrics juvenile.   I think the song was brilliant.  Music of the night meets
November Rain and Estranged. 

I have to disagree about this. This I love is a good song, but far from NR & Estranged. The main reason is that the other 2 songs are more structured: this I Love is basically 4 chords repeated ad libitum (maybe this could be good for a rock song):  piano, orchestra, vocals and even the first part of the solo.... the same melody played over and over.
The lyrics are good but under Axl's standards (our guy can write thousands of words on a 6-7 minutes song). The vocals are not bad, but could have been perfect with a little bit of rasp as he does (or did) during live shows, and without that stupid echo effect put on them. The great part of the song is the break, when the 2nd part of the solo starts.

In the end: To me sounds unfinished (as the whole album, except prostitute and sorry) and the song could have been a lot better.

It's much easier to sit back and criticise someone else's creation from the sidelines than it is to create something yourself. 

[EmilyGNR]

If your opinion is that since he started looking VERY seriously at this back in early 2014, from now until present day, that a lot has been done...no, I don't share that opinion.

If that makes me a bad guy, so be it.  If what it takes to remain a fan in good standing is to just assume he's putting in a real yeoman effort on this these past few years, well, guess that means I'm not a fan in good standing.

I'm also probably less likely to buy a handful full of magic beans than some of the other folks around here, but...that's really neither here nor there.

If it makes you feel better, I haven't considered you as "a fan in good standing" at all. 

[jarmo]

If your opinion is that since he started looking VERY seriously at this back in early 2014, from now until present day, that a lot has been done...no, I don't share that opinion.

If that makes me a bad guy, so be it.  If what it takes to remain a fan in good standing is to just assume he's putting in a real yeoman effort on this these past few years, well, guess that means I'm not a fan in good standing.

I'm also probably less likely to buy a handful full of magic beans than some of the other folks around here, but...that's really neither here nor there.

It doesn't make you a bad guy, just makes your posts posting about this same thing over and over again, boring.
There's a lot of assuming you could do to make yourself feel better about the situation. But you just won't.  


Magic beans? I'm sure you mean multiple copies of a GN'R album to give out as presents.




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

It's much easier to sit back and criticise someone else's creation from the sidelines than it is to create something yourself. 

Is it incumbent on everyone that gives a movie a bad review to get behind the camera themselves?

[D-GenerationX]

Magic beans? I'm sure you mean multiple copies of a GN'R album to give out as presents.

Nah, I don't give out IOUs.

[jarmo]

Magic beans? I'm sure you mean multiple copies of a GN'R album to give out as presents.

Nah, I don't give out IOUs.

Yes you do, you make copies of the one original you got.
You know, the one you made for yourself because Axl owes you an album.....

Just kidding!



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

It might just show up in their stocking one Christmas.  Who knows?

There are still roughly 40 more Christmases left in Axl's lifetime. 

All is not lost.  Plenty of time.

[jarmo]

Ah, but you're assuming it's a Christmas release.... 
Don't forget the Easter Bunny! 



/jarmo

[EmilyGNR]

It's much easier to sit back and criticise someone else's creation from the sidelines than it is to create something yourself. 

Is it incumbent on everyone that gives a movie a bad review to get behind the camera themselves?

The point was that it's easy to criticize from the stands.

I've been all over the world and I've never seen a statue of a critic, I have seen statues of Phil Lynott and John Lennon though.

[EmilyGNR]

Ah, but you're assuming it's a Christmas release.... 
Don't forget the Easter Bunny! 



/jarmo

Maybe he thinks it will be released here:

Wednesday, December 23
Festivus 2015

 

[Annie]

Ah, but you're assuming it's a Christmas release.... 
Don't forget the Easter Bunny! 



/jarmo

Maybe he thinks it will be released here:

Wednesday, December 23
Festivus 2015

 

Well he is good at airing grievances. Not trying to start a fight. Just making an observation.

[EmilyGNR]

Ah, but you're assuming it's a Christmas release.... 
Don't forget the Easter Bunny! 



/jarmo

Maybe he thinks it will be released here:

Wednesday, December 23
Festivus 2015

 

Well he is good at airing grievances. Not trying to start a fight. Just making an observation.

Some people celebrate Festivus all year long it would seem. 

[D-GenerationX]

It's much easier to sit back and criticise someone else's creation from the sidelines than it is to create something yourself. 

Is it incumbent on everyone that gives a movie a bad review to get behind the camera themselves?

The point was that it's easy to criticize from the stands.

Oh yeah, I got that.

But I'm just curious if that is a hard and fast rule that stretched across all spectrums, or if yours was a more emotional type response here because this happens to be one of your favorites taking the heat.