Can the GN'R fanbase EVER be satisfied?

[EmilyGNR]

I don't think Rio11 was vocally sloppy at all, that is Troll Gospel.

There were lots of things going awry that day- the endless downpour and the equipment malfunctions didn't help anything.

True.



But 'November Rain' was not a good showing for him that night.  Let's be honest here.

Incredible performance of 'Estranged' for the first time in 18 years.  But there were other problems in that show, not weather or equipment related.

Why is that wrong to say?  Anyone can have an off night.  Even just an off song.

It's wrong to pile blame on a performer when there were clearly more than a few contributing factors. I didn't think it was the "disaster" that some [trolls] make it out to be.

So if someone says that the performance was sloppy.. they are automatically trolls?

Oh c'mon Emily. It was a very weak performance, yes there was some other things going on, but do you think Axl walked off happy with himself after that performance? I highly doubt it.

No, I know he wasn't happy with that show, but you have seen the trolls that post that it was some unmitigated "disaster".

It honestly wasn't that bad, and there were more than a few contributing factors.

I read a lot of very over the top comments online regarding that show too. Thats the internet though.

Ive watched numerous awesome shows on youtube and Axl has been fucking superb, go down to the comments section and theres just hate filled shit everywhere. It's hard to swallow that stuff, because i dont think its even close to the mark. I am sure people dont believe everything they write just do it for trolling purposes. So yeah i agree with you.

However, im not one of those people for the record.

yeah its always disheartening to see that stuff. you know they arent giving him a chance.

as for the argument that jarmo should leave dx alone, i dont see how you can expect that to work. its his site and you are talking about people he knows. its like going to someones house everyday, talking bad about their friends, and telling them to just ignore you. instead of kicking you out, he lets you stay, but at least he has to correct the record, doesnt he? what would you do in his position?

also, what is it that keeps this place from being reduced to the level of mygnr or youtube? isnt it because of the way Jarmo manages it? if he just starts ignoring comments, how long do you think it would take this place to become another mygnr? id give it a few months, tops. if jarmo and his way of doing things is not the reason this place is different from mygnr, please tell me what the reason is?

the internet is too impersonal. there is no scale. i heard the reason george lucas quit making star wars films was partly because of internet fans.

well this is the millionth time weve all had this same talk and brought up the same exact points. but the point that it is not really an option for jarmo to ignore posts, and where him ignoring posts would lead to, is always ignored or laughed off with some joke.

Great post and great insight there, I agree 

[jarmo]

The other day I posted something about an analogy I felt missed the mark.  You, who I was not even talking to at the time, was able to call up an analogy I made *six weeks prior* in a disturbingly short period of time.  I don't even know what thread that was in.

Yeah, your analogy about refugees compared to releasing an album. It's funny because it's so sad!
And I probably remember it because it might be one of the craziest things I ever read posted by a GN'R fan relating to his "need" for a new album.

Oh, absolutely its because I post more.  100% accurate that's part of it.

Ok. Glad we got that sorted. Thank you.

I joke around.  You don't joke around.  Your affinity for exclamation points does not automatically make you a take it light joker type of fella.

Would it kill you to lighten up?

Funny that.
You're the only one who knows best, you're the only one who makes jokes and so on.

It's obvious how little you actually get. With the alleged stalking accusations and now this. But who knows, maybe one day!



/jarmo

[ice cream sand pig]

I don't think Rio11 was vocally sloppy at all, that is Troll Gospel.

There were lots of things going awry that day- the endless downpour and the equipment malfunctions didn't help anything.

True.



But 'November Rain' was not a good showing for him that night.  Let's be honest here.

Incredible performance of 'Estranged' for the first time in 18 years.  But there were other problems in that show, not weather or equipment related.

Why is that wrong to say?  Anyone can have an off night.  Even just an off song.

It's wrong to pile blame on a performer when there were clearly more than a few contributing factors. I didn't think it was the "disaster" that some [trolls] make it out to be.

So if someone says that the performance was sloppy.. they are automatically trolls?

Oh c'mon Emily. It was a very weak performance, yes there was some other things going on, but do you think Axl walked off happy with himself after that performance? I highly doubt it.

No, I know he wasn't happy with that show, but you have seen the trolls that post that it was some unmitigated "disaster".

It honestly wasn't that bad, and there were more than a few contributing factors.

I read a lot of very over the top comments online regarding that show too. Thats the internet though.

Ive watched numerous awesome shows on youtube and Axl has been fucking superb, go down to the comments section and theres just hate filled shit everywhere. It's hard to swallow that stuff, because i dont think its even close to the mark. I am sure people dont believe everything they write just do it for trolling purposes. So yeah i agree with you.

However, im not one of those people for the record.

yeah its always disheartening to see that stuff. you know they arent giving him a chance.

as for the argument that jarmo should leave dx alone, i dont see how you can expect that to work. its his site and you are talking about people he knows. its like going to someones house everyday, talking bad about their friends, and telling them to just ignore you. instead of kicking you out, he lets you stay, but at least he has to correct the record, doesnt he? what would you do in his position?

also, what is it that keeps this place from being reduced to the level of mygnr or youtube? isnt it because of the way Jarmo manages it? if he just starts ignoring comments, how long do you think it would take this place to become another mygnr? id give it a few months, tops. if jarmo and his way of doing things is not the reason this place is different from mygnr, please tell me what the reason is?

the internet is too impersonal. there is no scale. i heard the reason george lucas quit making star wars films was partly because of internet fans.

well this is the millionth time weve all had this same talk and brought up the same exact points. but the point that it is not really an option for jarmo to ignore posts, and where him ignoring posts would lead to, is always ignored or laughed off with some joke.

Great post and great insight there, I agree 

not surprised, but ignored again. i appreciate how jarmo puts himself on the line to keep this place from becoming a dumpster without actually censoring peoples posts or making them leave. its quite a compromise and he really has to work for it.

kicking people out would be seen as jarmo running away. ignoring posts would also be seen as running away. like what dx did with fernandos response. "see, look! he wont talk to me! i win! wrestlemania forever!" in reality, if fernando actually addressed all the people like dx online, it would be all he did. it would never end, the conversations would be endless, and when he ran out of time, hed eventually be seen as running away anyway. hes not a debate specialist. hes a manager. so why even open that can of worms? and if anyone can say i know and you dont, its him. that whole "dont big time me" thing just doesnt work in this situation. some people simply know a lot more about certain things than other people.

say one guy studies horses through books, movies, pictures, horse shows... this guy could pass a written exam about horses. he has knowledge about horses.

another guy grew up around horses. he feeds them, raises them, trains them, rides them. the important thing is, this guy has direct experience with horses, and lots of it. he has more than just knowledge. he has understanding about horses. if this guy tells the other guy hes wrong about something pertaining to horses, its very likely that ill believe him.

[ice cream sand pig]

last time i brought up these points i got:

"lol hes worried the place will go to shit", without any kind of alternative given as to why this place is different from my gnr other than jarmos hands on approach. in other words, no real response to the point i made.

and the classic

"why do these crazy cultists feel the need to defend jarmo or axl?". this is a cop out response. and it doesnt matter how many times i answer questions like that, it just goes nowhere.

[D-GenerationX]

Ive watched numerous awesome shows on youtube and Axl has been fucking superb, go down to the comments section and theres just hate filled shit everywhere. It's hard to swallow that stuff, because i dont think its even close to the mark. I am sure people dont believe everything they write just do it for trolling purposes.

Oh, I think they believe it.  The kind of person you are describing. 

But why even worry about them?  That's what I don't get.

You can argue he's probably not given it a fair chance, and I'd agree.  But you could play that guy 'There Was A Time' on a loop until God called you both.  Arguing passionately that the guitars are as good as anything Slash has done in GNR.  (an argument I agree with)

But he doesn't care.  That guy, the type of guy you were talking about, he doesn't respect any of this.  He doesn't consider this at all legitimate.

After what, 15 years now?  The only thing sillier than being surprised by it is thinking its ever going to change.

You just have to write a guy like that off, I think.  Who really gives a shit what he's saying?

[D-GenerationX]

"lol hes worried the place will go to shit", without any kind of alternative given as to why this place is different from my gnr other than jarmos hands on approach. in other words, no real response to the point i made.

I don't really consider both sites to be peers though.  Do you?

We may have some spirited debates about the future of this band, but we at least share a common interest that we hope there is one.  At MYGNR, trying to bring up most of the stuff we talk about just gets you "What are you, an idiot?  He's fat and the band has been over for 20 years."

I pretty much strictly read over there the past few years because any serious conversation is total fantasy. 

[OscarAxl22]

"lol hes worried the place will go to shit", without any kind of alternative given as to why this place is different from my gnr other than jarmos hands on approach. in other words, no real response to the point i made.

I don't really consider both sites to be peers though.  Do you?

We may have some spirited debates about the future of this band, but we at least share a common interest that we hope there is one.  At MYGNR, trying to bring up most of the stuff we talk about just gets you "What are you, an idiot?  He's fat and the band has been over for 20 years."

I pretty much strictly read over there the past few years because any serious conversation is total fantasy. 

I agree.... and i think if Jarmo was encountering that level of hostility that happens over there, then he could have every reason for getting his back up.

The people here who question things are generally quite articulate in the way they come accross. Something that cannot be said for that forum.

[D-GenerationX]

The people here who question things are generally quite articulate in the way they come accross. Something that cannot be said for that forum.

I used to find a nice mix of joking around and serious discussion.

But not since Rock In Rio, 2011.  That's when things changed, in my opinion. 

It almost became more of a parody site, I thought.

[OscarAxl22]

The people here who question things are generally quite articulate in the way they come accross. Something that cannot be said for that forum.

I used to find a nice mix of joking around and serious discussion.

But not since Rock In Rio, 2011.  That's when things changed, in my opinion. 

It almost became more of a parody site, I thought.

I'll admit, i frequent that other site once a day. I dont generally post though unless something has pricked my mind.

DeadDaisy and a couple of other posters over there who are quite strong in their vitriol towards Axl actually turns me off the site. So i am like you.. a bit more of a browser.. and thats mainly for reasons such as someone might post a link from something on the net i havent seen or a new piece of news or whatever.

As far as good conversation goes... theres not a lot of it, unless you actually love the levels of hate being directed towards Axl.

I dont get it much to be much honest.

[ice cream sand pig]

i think jarmo keeps this place pretty balanced. its in beween my gnr and gnr truth. at gnrtruth, even the slightest dissent and the poster will be steamrolled by the crowd. i like that site too though, have no problems with how they roll.

bottom line, i think to say things that jarmo is obviously not going to agree with and then expect him to ignore them and allow them to perpetuate on a site that he is responsible for is just a silly expectation. hes not an ostritch.

and if someone doesnt like the way he handles things, it takes five minutes to create your own forum. why should he be the one to change? nobody is forced to come here, just like nobody is forced to "wait" for news or new music. if somebody doesnt like the way he or gnr does things, they always have the option to step off this train and board another one. or they can walk or buy a plane ticket. many options to choose from. ultimately i like the way he runs this site and like his way of suporting the band. he is the primary reason i come here and i hope he doesnt change anytime soon.

[norway]

Rio was the best performance of all time, by any artist, and if you disagree, you hate Axl and love Satan.

what rio? 06 was pretty good, but I think 10 was horrendous.

hail satan? \m/

[Six Strings]

Just trying to bring some fresh air here. No hard feelings. I was wondering if I should bring this one back or the one below... Haaaa 

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=66578.0

[CheapJon]

As a whole. No the entire GNR fan base can never be satisfied because it's millions of people with thousands of opinions. If anyone think they could ever please them all, well they'd be wrong.

This is why the arguements that goes "Geez, when Robin was in the band all you wanted was Slash but now that DJ's here Robin is all of a sudden missed?!" and shit like that never works. They were almost never the same people.

Right now, evidently a huge majority of fans are super psyched about the return of Duff and Slash. Yet there's those who still won't care if some other old members aren't joining in. If the Appetite5 would reunite you would still have other fans begging for Finck and Bucket.

You can't please all the people all the time, but you can please some of the people some of the time. How is this so hard to understand?

[D-GenerationX]

I think, in terms of sheer numbers, more GNR fans are going to happier than in any one year since the early 90s.

Sure, there will be that "no Izzy, no reunion" guy.  Fuck 'im, though.

[AtariLegend]

If the Appetite5 would reunite you would still have other fans begging for Finck and Bucket.

I don't think forums are a great measure of this/in terms of the public. There's plenty of people on boards who want the Appetite line-up that would just complain about them playing too many Appetite songs each night if they got that.

[Six Strings]

I'm very well aware of that, unfortunately. What I don't understand is why after the world's most amazing news in rock n roll ever, people are still not satisfied. On these exciting times I see new threads like ''How many times GN'R cancelled their concerts'' or discussion why Axl won't show in an interview. Maybe the problem is with me, but I have imagined on THAT day huge celebrations and discussion on a bit different directions.

[kaasupoltin]

I find it funny how the media is reacting to this. Some journalists who have been writing shit about the 2001-2015 lineups and saying things like "it's only Axl, why bother" and demanding the older members back, are now telling us how this is just a cash grab and nothing more and it will suck and blah blah.

How hard can life get for some...

[jarmo]

I find it funny how the media is reacting to this. Some journalists who have been writing shit about the 2001-2015 lineups and saying things like "it's only Axl, why bother" and demanding the older members back, are now telling us how this is just a cash grab and nothing more and it will suck and blah blah.

How hard can life get for some...

Yes. It's funny.
It's never good enough.






/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

I find it funny how the media is reacting to this. Some journalists who have been writing shit about the 2001-2015 lineups and saying things like "it's only Axl, why bother" and demanding the older members back, are now telling us how this is just a cash grab and nothing more and it will suck and blah blah.

Most of the negative comments I have seen have to do with questions of Axl's current vocal ability.

Which, honestly, aren't going away until that first show.

But he comes out on April 16th and can still belt it out, that talk dies.

[Pedrolg]

I find it funny how the media is reacting to this. Some journalists who have been writing shit about the 2001-2015 lineups and saying things like "it's only Axl, why bother" and demanding the older members back, are now telling us how this is just a cash grab and nothing more and it will suck and blah blah.

Most of the negative comments I have seen have to do with questions of Axl's current vocal ability.

Which, honestly, aren't going away until that first show.

But he comes out on April 16th and can still belt it out, that talk dies.

That's all there is to it in my opinion. Axl's voice has changed dramatically for the worse after 2010. If he recovers his voice, this will be a massively sucessful tour.