The Likelihood of A New Album In 2016

[jarmo]

No, I did not ask the same question about Doug Goldstein in 1991...I was 12. 

So, there wasn't an issue with experience then. It's only an issue now. 

Regarding your question, you honestly think people agree all the time?

Beta told the LA Times it was an ultimatum:

I've read the same article you've read. What's your point?
That doesn't make anything I said invalid. They were there working for Axl for years before they became the band's management.

Looks like yet another person with issues regarding the band's management....



/jarmo

[FunkyMonkey]

I've read the same article you've read. What's your point?
That doesn't make anything I said invalid. They were there working for Axl for years before they became the band's management.

Looks like yet another person with issues regarding the band's management....

/jarmo

No issues.  You said it was a promotion, she said it was an ultimatum.  He didn't have much choice.

[jarmo]

No issues.  You said it was a promotion, she said it was an ultimatum.  He didn't have much choice.

In my world, if you go from personal manager to band management, that would be a promotion. I'm sure you know better and know all the details...



/jarmo

[Ginger King]

No, I did not ask the same question about Doug Goldstein in 1991...I was 12. 

So, there wasn't an issue with experience then. It's only an issue now. 

Regarding your question, you honestly think people agree all the time?

/jarmo

But wasn't Doug their tour manager first...and then got promoted to band manager in 1991?

[FunkyMonkey]

I'm sure you know better and know all the details...

/jarmo

No, just what she said.

"I told [Rose] if he hires another manager, I quit."

[sofine11]

I'm sure you know better and know all the details...

/jarmo

No, just what she said.

"I told [Rose] if he hires another manager, I quit."

Jesus. Well, that's one way to get a "promotion". 

[EmilyGNR]

Optimists see: A glass half full.

Pessimists see: A glass half empty.

Chronic complainers see: A glass that is slightly chipped holding water that isn't cold enough, probably because it's tap water when I asked for bottled water and wait, there's a smudge on the rim, too, which means the glass wasn't cleaned properly and now I'll probably end up with some kind of virus. Why do these things always happen to me?!

I think some people would die if they didn't have something to whine and complain about.

[sofine11]

Optimists see: A glass half full.

Pessimists see: A glass half empty.

Chronic complainers see: A glass that is slightly chipped holding water that isn't cold enough, probably because it's tap water when I asked for bottled water and wait, there's a smudge on the rim, too, which means the glass wasn't cleaned properly and now I'll probably end up with some kind of virus. Why do these things always happen to me?!

Robert Downey Jr once said that when he goes on the internet and sees people attacking him, it scares him equally when he sees other people defending him as if he were a member of their own family.  Get off your high horse.

[EmilyGNR]

Optimists see: A glass half full.

Pessimists see: A glass half empty.

Chronic complainers see: A glass that is slightly chipped holding water that isn't cold enough, probably because it's tap water when I asked for bottled water and wait, there's a smudge on the rim, too, which means the glass wasn't cleaned properly and now I'll probably end up with some kind of virus. Why do these things always happen to me?!

Robert Downey Jr once said that when he goes on the internet and sees people attacking him, it scares him equally when he sees other people defending him as if he were a member of their own family.  Get off your high horse.

Honestly don't care what he supposedly said, and there is no horse, high or otherwise.

The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects.

Since you seem fond of random quotes, here's one.

"We've turned into a whining society."
Billy Corgan

[jarmo]

But wasn't Doug their tour manager first...and then got promoted to band manager in 1991?

And, your point is?

The issue was the alleged lack of experience of managing a big popular band.

But, when that same "issue" applies to others, here you are looking for excuses.
Did you point out that Fernando was the band's tour manager or that Beta was Axl's personal manager? No, you didn't.
That seems to be irrelevant because you have issues with them.

Jesus. Well, that's one way to get a "promotion". 

Five managers were let go.... At what point do you think it's time to try something different?
Maybe some free thinking would help?

But no, that makes no sense because you don't like them.

Your bias is obvious. No need to pretend to be "worried" or something similar.




/jarmo

[sofine11]

Your bias is obvious. No need to pretend to be "worried" or something similar.

Tell you what, if within the next 365 days we're listening to new GNR music that wasn't leaked, both management and your undying devotion and allegiance to said team wins.  If not, and you're still badgering anyone who dares to lob criticism their way in October 2016, well...

[EmilyGNR]

Your bias is obvious. No need to pretend to be "worried" or something similar.

Tell you what, if within the next 365 days we're listening to new GNR music that wasn't leaked, both management and your undying devotion and allegiance to said team wins.  If not, and you're still badgering anyone who dares to lob criticism their way in October 2016, well...

How cute, a pretend deadline and almost ultimatum. 

[TheBaconman]

Your bias is obvious. No need to pretend to be "worried" or something similar.

Tell you what, if within the next 365 days we're listening to new GNR music that wasn't leaked, both management and your undying devotion and allegiance to said team wins.  If not, and you're still badgering anyone who dares to lob criticism their way in October 2016, well...

People here where saying 6 months ago that this wasn't a problem.  That this break wasn't that long.  Blah blah blah

This will go down as guns longest break.  Without any official camp news.   Without anything.

Guns better hope the Jays don't loose 2 more.   As I may have a little free time

TheBaconman doesn't go on breaks

[EmilyGNR]

Your bias is obvious. No need to pretend to be "worried" or something similar.

Tell you what, if within the next 365 days we're listening to new GNR music that wasn't leaked, both management and your undying devotion and allegiance to said team wins.  If not, and you're still badgering anyone who dares to lob criticism their way in October 2016, well...

People here where saying 6 months ago that this wasn't a problem.  That this break wasn't that long.  Blah blah blah

This will go down as guns longest break.  Without any official camp news.   Without anything.

Guns better hope the Jays don't loose 2 more.   As I may have a little free time

TheBaconman doesn't go on breaks

Apparently people don't remember the long quiet period before Chinese Democracy- the late 90's were particularly dark.

GNR has only been on hiatus since June 2014, not exactly an eternity.

[The Wight Gunner]

It's clear that Beta has Axl's best interest at heart here.

You need to understand that in her own words that she regards Axl as more than a son. 

Any good parent allows their offspring to go through life to make mistakes as part of the process of growing, and any good parent will at least step in and make it know to their children when the same mistakes keep cropping up. She had stepped in, and pointed out that managers who have come and gone, are part of the same problem, namely they are trying to impart their own view of GnR and what's best for GnR. They are looking at things (in simplistic terms) from a text-book management A-Z guide, balance sheet maximizing and with an agenda to reunite the AFD/UYI's  line-up and gain some kind of notoriety too.

They don't know the human side to Axl, the hurt and anger that various incidents from the past, they don't share his passion as an artist and what he stands for, they don't get that he isn't driven by money for money sake or that a reunion isn't a place where he wants to visit again - nor does he have to. TB knows all the things to know and have basically said to Axl, or at least this is my take on things, that you don't need to keep going through this shit. 

At the end of the day, if your in a place where in relying on others to do a job and they don't deliver, means that you seek someone to vent your frustrations, in effect, that somebody is managing them through reassurance.  Beta has basically told Axl, that she understands him, and that she'll ensure that will make it work for Axl, on terms that he can live with  - and who wouldn't want to have that.

[jarmo]

Tell you what, if within the next 365 days we're listening to new GNR music that wasn't leaked, both management and your undying devotion and allegiance to said team wins.  If not, and you're still badgering anyone who dares to lob criticism their way in October 2016, well...

This is your answer to my question?
To be honest, I wasn't expecting anything else really....

The bottom line is, your so called reasons that you've listed for not liking them, are things that could've been applied to past management as well. You also decided to turn positives into negatives and yet there's no real answer to the question why you don't like them.

I mean, for example, the whole excuse of not liking them because you don't know how motivated they are to release an album blah blah blah.... And you knew that in the past that was every manager's top priority? How? My guess is that you don't know. But it didn't matter! So why does it matter now?


See the post above for some clues. 




/jarmo

[DeN]

It's clear that Beta has Axl's best interest at heart here.

You need to understand that in her own words that she regards Axl as more than a son. 

Any good parent allows their offspring to go through life to make mistakes as part of the process of growing, and any good parent will at least step in and make it know to their children when the same mistakes keep cropping up. She had stepped in, and pointed out that managers who have come and gone, are part of the same problem, namely they are trying to impart their own view of GnR and what's best for GnR. They are looking at things (in simplistic terms) from a text-book management A-Z guide, balance sheet maximizing and with an agenda to reunite the AFD/UYI's  line-up and gain some kind of notoriety too.

They don't know the human side to Axl, the hurt and anger that various incidents from the past, they don't share his passion as an artist and what he stands for, they don't get that he isn't driven by money for money sake or that a reunion isn't a place where he wants to visit again - nor does he have to. TB knows all the things to know and have basically said to Axl, or at least this is my take on things, that you don't need to keep going through this shit. 

At the end of the day, if your in a place where in relying on others to do a job and they don't deliver, means that you seek someone to vent your frustrations, in effect, that somebody is managing them through reassurance.  Beta has basically told Axl, that she understands him, and that she'll ensure that will make it work for Axl, on terms that he can live with  - and who wouldn't want to have that.

very good post, what I think almost word for word

[w.david rose]

Yes indeed
great post

[Annie]

It's clear that Beta has Axl's best interest at heart here.

You need to understand that in her own words that she regards Axl as more than a son. 

Any good parent allows their offspring to go through life to make mistakes as part of the process of growing, and any good parent will at least step in and make it know to their children when the same mistakes keep cropping up. She had stepped in, and pointed out that managers who have come and gone, are part of the same problem, namely they are trying to impart their own view of GnR and what's best for GnR. They are looking at things (in simplistic terms) from a text-book management A-Z guide, balance sheet maximizing and with an agenda to reunite the AFD/UYI's  line-up and gain some kind of notoriety too.

They don't know the human side to Axl, the hurt and anger that various incidents from the past, they don't share his passion as an artist and what he stands for, they don't get that he isn't driven by money for money sake or that a reunion isn't a place where he wants to visit again - nor does he have to. TB knows all the things to know and have basically said to Axl, or at least this is my take on things, that you don't need to keep going through this shit. 

At the end of the day, if your in a place where in relying on others to do a job and they don't deliver, means that you seek someone to vent your frustrations, in effect, that somebody is managing them through reassurance.  Beta has basically told Axl, that she understands him, and that she'll ensure that will make it work for Axl, on terms that he can live with  - and who wouldn't want to have that.

very good post, what I think almost word for word

One of the greatest posts ever.  Thankyou for your beautiful words and insight.  Brought a tear to my eye

[Wooody]

To call them Team Brazil is childish though, and borderline racist hahahha