How can anyone say things are good with GN'R now?

[CherryGarcia]

Look, let's put our cards on the table here.

You have:
-No album in seven years, and no real signs of its release being of any real importance or being anywhere on the foreseeable horizon
-The band's two lead guitarists have quit within the past year, and the status of the band's bassist is uncertain.
-You have no news, and a promised window of when an announcement was supposed to be made regarding the band's status rapidly closing
-You have absolute and total radio silence on the state of the band from the only member who really matters, despite rumors of a reunion, rumors of the band being disbanded, and other rumors flying for the past year.

It would take Axl all of five minutes to say:

"Yeah, Slash and I are on friendly terms again, but a reunion (partial or full of either the Appetite or UYI lineups) isn't something either of us are interested in at this point in our lives"

or

"Despite the departures of Bumblefoot and DJ Ashba, things are moving forward within Guns N' Roses. Any rumors of the band being disbanded or the Appetite/UYI lineups reuniting are false. As of now, the band consists of myself, Richard Fortus, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Dizzy Reed and Chris Pitman; We are currently searching for replacements for DJ and Bumblefoot. While I unfortunately can't give any definite deadlines about anything, I can say work on the new record is continuing, and I hope to see all of you guys on tour once our new members are in place! Thanks for all your support and patience  - love, Axl"

Would either of those two statements be that hard for Axl to write?

[OscarAxl22]

Axl doesnt owe you anything ok. You need to move on with your life 

[D-GenerationX]

Neither of these statements would be hard to write.  But, for whatever reason, they can't be bothered.

I asked Fernando point blank his last time here if they felt there was some strategic advantage they thought they were achieving by being so tight lipped all the time.

However, much like the several other direct questions I asked him that day, he didn't offer an answer.

[Bridge]

I think Axl already addressed all of these things, years ago....

If you're waiting, don't.  Live your life.  That's your responsibility not mine.  If it weren't to happen, you won't have missed anything.

Best answer he could give to any of these things, past, present, future.

[D-GenerationX]

I think Axl already addressed all of these things, years ago....

If you're waiting, don't.  Live your life.  That's your responsibility not mine.  If it weren't to happen, you won't have missed anything.

Best answer he could give to any of these things, past, present, future.

Why is this quote always couched as the height of nobility?

It's not that I don't see his point, because I do.  I'm just confused why this is supposed to be some great comment to be lauded.

To me, it just sounds like another excuse.

[Bridge]

Why is this quote always couched as the height of nobility?

It's not that I don't see his point, because I do.  I'm just confused why this is supposed to be some great comment to be lauded.

To me, it just sounds like another excuse.

I can see why you'd see it that way.  But at the end of the day, I see Axl's point more than I see yours.  People obsess and feel way too entitled to something happening that doesn't really have any bearing on their lives -- they just try to twist rationality until they can say that it does.

I can somewhat see your point because Axl gave a few statements that Chinese Democracy would come out before that point, and it didn't.  So you can say he broke his word and that disappointed us.  But overall, waiting around for Axl, his album, his next tour, news -- they all involve us spending our lives sitting around waiting on someone else.  That's on us, not Axl.

[D-GenerationX]

OK, fair enough.  I see that rationale.

[Virolec]

Personally, I don't feel entitled to know who is in Guns N' Roses, or if and when they've another record coming out, but it would be nice to have some communication.  As far as I can see, there's nothing on their website listing the band members, let alone the kind of biographical information etc. that can help people build a kind of relationship (or even just give a damn).  Yeah, they (he, let's be honest) don't owe us anything, but let's not pretend to surprised if the world at large doesn't care about the band as it is now if they can't be arsed putting themselves out there. 

[D-GenerationX]

Personally, I don't feel entitled to know who is in Guns N' Roses, or if and when they've another record coming out, but it would be nice to have some communication.  As far as I can see, there's nothing on their website listing the band members, let alone the kind of biographical information etc. that can help people build a kind of relationship (or even just give a damn).  Yeah, they (he, let's be honest) don't owe us anything, but let's not pretend to surprised if the world at large doesn't care about the band as it is now if they can't be arsed putting themselves out there. 

Right on the money, this post.

They are absolutely free to run things as they see fit.  No one has ever said otherwise.

The problem is that when some of us point out they are getting the results their approach is going to garner, and they get all offended.

Life is what you make it.  GNR has turned themselves into the epitome of a niche product.  One with very little relevance outside hardcore fans they developed 25 years ago, when they did run the operation like they gave a shit.

[jarmo]

Some of the fans the band has today weren't born 25 years ago.

Hello?




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Oh, then I take it all back.

Their outreach is tremendous, their marketing, savvy, and their business plan, the envy of the industry.

I get confused sometimes.

[jarmo]

I get confused sometimes.

You mean most of the time.


Just because you look at yourself as some kind of example of a GN'R fan, doesn't mean what applies to you is true for everybody else.

Maybe you've missed the fact that a lot of GN'R fans were too young to experience the band in the 1980s/90s?
But it doesn't mean they're not fans or don't exist.

And yes, some saw the band for the first time on the last tour. Amazing isn't it?



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

I get confused sometimes.

You mean most of the time.

LOLZ

Look, I know you have a whole floor routine of mental gymnastics you perform to make it seem like everything is super awesome and totally normal.

I share neither your compulsion for same, nor the benefits to carry that water.  So I can't partake.

[jarmo]

Yeah, so much for being interested in discussions.

Saying only people who became GN'R fans 25 years ago are interested in the band today, can easily be checked if you ever attend a show and look around you.
Or, if that's too much to ask for, just check the Internet...

More of the same silly generalizations from you to try to prove a non-existing point.


"Oh no, somebody told me I'm wrong about something. I better pretend it didn't happen...." 




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

It's like the "if/then" hypothesis from hell, Jarmo. 

IF they have fans that became fans post 1993, THEN they are doing a hell of a job on the business end.

That's preposterous.  If that's an opinion you hold, I neither share it, nor think I'd have too much trouble finding people to join me in dismissing it.

As usual, you take a inconvenient subject you don't like (this band is run pretty shoddily, lo these past 15-20 years) and take one point of a post to focus on instread (most of their hardcore fans are people from way the hell back) under the insane rationale that if you can disprove that...why, it all falls apart!!

As if that somehow disproves the part you don't like. 

Sorry, charlie.  Not the way the world works.

[jarmo]

Your conspiracy theories are amusing.

You post rubbish and I point it out. Simple as that.


The fact that the biggest group of people who liked my Facebook page for this site aren't people who were fans 25 years ago says something.
The fact that a big number of concert attendees were hardly born 25 years ago says something.

For you, this makes zero sense.

I couldn't care less what your opinion on how the band handles its business is. I know how little you know.
I see you post bullshit and I'll correct you with the facts I have. You refuse to take any of it in and try to make it about me. What else is new?

Yes, there are hardcore fans who bought Appetite when they were in school or after. Yes, yes.

There's also fans who were born in the 1990s and never experienced any of the MTV VMAs live on TV or watched GN'R on PPV.

Edited to add: So, in short, they didn't "develop" all hardcore fans 25 years ago. No matter how much you want it to be true.



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

The fact that the biggest group of people who liked my Facebook page for this site aren't people who were fans 25 years ago says something.
The fact that a big number of concert attendees were hardly born 25 years ago says something.

For you, this makes zero sense.

Count up all the under 25 fans you want.  Have them over for pizza.  Do a big Instagram group shot where they all flip me off.  Live it up.

What changes about :

A terrible record of communication + a terrible record of promotion + a terrible record of reliability = a steep decline in both relevance and impact

What's it change?  Nada.

You seized on a throwaway point to try and change the conversation because the actual point being discussed was a stone cold loser to try and champion.

Not the first or the last time you'll try it.  Not the last time I'll systematically and calmly discredit it.

It's our thing.

[jarmo]

You post something as a fact, I correct you. You try to ridicule me and go on and on about other stuff I have very little interest in talking about with you.

Why not just admit you were wrong?

Then we can continue.



/jarmo


Ps You were wrong..... Wrong!

[D-GenerationX]

Why not just admit you were wrong?

Then we can continue.

I'm all set, thanks.

Said my bit up there already, feel it stands up.

[jarmo]

As suspected.
You just can't admit to being wrong. I think you might have done it once or twice.
And you got the nerve to talk about so called terrible records... 


To anybody else that don't get it. This guy posts a fact that's obviously wrong, then gets upset because I correct him, and refuse to discuss his tired old opinion on things he has limited understanding of, due to his lack of skills to take in information.

Edited to add: You really shouldn't talk about "terrine record of reliability".... Or I might remind you of your past posts on the subject. Again!


/jarmo