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Ex-GUNS N' ROSES drummer Steven Adler says that he has not been approached by any of his former bandmates about a possible reunion of the classic GN'R lineup and blames the lack of communication in part on the fact that Slash and Duff McKagan don't believe that he is sober.

Slash recently revealed that he and GUNS N' ROSES' lead singer, Axl Rose, had repaired their estranged relationship after nearly 20 years, immediately leading to a storm of speculation about a possible reunion of the classic GUNS lineup.

Asked point blank if he knows anything about a rumored reunion of GUNS N' ROSES' "Appetite For Destruction" lineup, Adler told Eddie Trunk during a September 28 appearance on Trunk's SiriusXM satellite radio show, "Eddie Trunk Live": "Nothing. Even if it was happening, I don't think Slash would tell me, because he knows how excited I get and that I would probably say something before I should. I would be the last one to know."

Adler, who was famously fired from GUNS N' ROSES in 1990 for his rampant drug use, added that part of the reason he hasn't heard anything about a rumored GUNS reunion is the fact that he hasn't been able to convince his former bandmates that he is clean from alcohol and drugs.

"I love those guys, and I always will, but Duff, he doesn't think I'm cool," Adler said. "He doesn't think I'm a cool guy. This is what people tell me. And he doesn't think I'm cool and that I'm not that great of a drummer. And Slash, he doesn't believe that I have 21 months and 21 days sober. He doesn't believe it. I don't know why, but they forget that at one time in their life, they were doing drugs and drinking and they were fucking up. They forget that they were like that too. Duff has got 20 years sober or more, Slash has got, like, 11 or 12 years sober, and I've got a year, nine months and 21 days. So everybody gets it at a different time. I'm just thankful I got it."

He went on to say: "They don't think I'm cool and they don't think I can play drums that great and they don't think I'm sober. Duff, he has a right, in a way, but, like I said, he forgets where he came from too. But we did do some shows [together] in Japan [in 2013], and Duff invited [Steven's current band] ADLER to come down, and I was still drinking then. And the second I got to the airport, I made a beeline for the bar, and I just started doing shots of J?ger. And the whole trip I was sick and I was just a mess. And, you know, Duff's sober and he's very judgmental and forgetful of where he came from. And he was just so bummed and pissed at me. I mean, the playing part, the shows when we actually were performing, that went all right, but everything else? So I kind of ruined it and gave him the excuse to be able to say, 'Well, he's not cool and he's not that good.' But I stopped doing that. They stopped doing that. Just because they stopped doing it before I did doesn't make them any better. We're all people who have addiction problems. I was just able to get a grip on it later on in life than they did."

Asked what the turning point was for him to get his life together and stop going into detoxes and rehabs, Adler said: "I learned from going to meetings with the right people and talking to the right people at AA meetings and stuff, and I got a great sponsor, and we worked it out. My problem was I had resentment towards those guys [GUNS N' ROSES bandmates], and towards other things, and I had abandonment issues. So once I was able to forgive those guys and realize it wasn't them to blame, but me to blame ? I did what I did to me; they didn't do what they did to me; I did it to myself ? and once I started hating them, I was able to? and have some time, 'cause it takes time for the brain to heal after drinking so much. Alcohol fucks your brain up and it takes a good nine, ten, eleven [months or] a year until you actually start thinking clear again. Now I'm just able to live my life and be happy with who I am."

According to Adler, he is still in contact with Slash, but he hasn't been able to convince the guitarist to meet with him in person for quite some time. "I'm always trying to get [Slash] to go to Crossroads, this vegan restaurant," Adler said. "I [tell him], 'Get your girlfriend and come meet me and my wife over? And John 5 [ROB ZOMBIE]. I say, meet me and John 5 and Rita over at Crossroads for brunch or dinner.' [And he writes back] 'Ehh, I can't. I'm working.' I'm going, 'You've gotta be home way more than that. Just come meet with me. Let's go have a cup of coffee.'

Asked if it's true that he recently said that he would kill himself if the classic GUNS N' ROSES lineup reunited without him, Adler said: "I would probably feel like I would wanna kill myself, but I wouldn't. I would probably just kill them. [Laughs] 'Cause if I'm not doing it, they're not doing it. If I'm going down, they're going down."

Adler also expressed frustration over the fact that so many world-famous musicians, including GUNS N' ROSES, can't seem to overcome personal differences and reunite for the sake of their fans.

"I don't understand what the problem is," he said. "We're just rock bands. We all started practicing in our garage or our bedroom. We met each other, and we started playing in our garage, then we worked on songs. This is what we wanted to do. Our dreams came true.

"I don't know why it's so difficult for people that have been successful and still can moderately successful," he continued. "Of course, nobody's gonna be like they were in the '80s; that was our generation. It's a new generation now of music and people and kids. But there are bands like BON JOVI and METALLICA and the GUNS N' ROSES reunion; [if that were to happen] that would be huge."

Adler added: "I don't get it. We just play music. We're living our dream. Why does everybody have to be such a dick and so fucking crazy? It's, like, hey, we play music. When we're together, we play it really great. Let's just do it. What's the problem?"

Despite the fact that he hasn't heard anything about a possible reunion of the classic GUNS lineup, Adler remains optimistic about his future. "Even if the GN'R thing doesn't happen, I'm still gonna do what I'm doing every day," he said. "I'm gonna keep living, being happy, practicing, playing with my band. I wasted enough time in a blackout, in a haze. I'm living now."

I have two takeaways here :

1) There obviously have been some reunion discussions

2) Steven has been told, directly or indirectly, he's out.
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2015, 11:40:56 AM »

Wonder if his comments about Duff will make everything between them ok? Is that his plan?





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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2015, 11:42:46 AM »


Wonder if his comments about Duff will make everything between them ok? Is that his plan?


Yeah, seriously.  Not sure he though this through.

Duff is the most level headed of all of them.  If you've lost Duff, you've got troubles.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2015, 01:22:28 PM »

I really feel sorry for Steven. But he does himself no favours by coming out with this type of commentary! He simply highlights his natural stupidity.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2015, 01:32:04 PM »

And I think this shows that if there is something in the offing that does not include Steven, its a group call.

Not just big bad Axl being difficult.
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2015, 02:43:58 PM »

Yeah... go after Duff? makes no sense whatsoever.

It's a shame.. I would feel really bad for the guy if he wasn't invited out... but he has nobody to blame.
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2015, 03:06:38 PM »

If think the only criteria should be if Adler is still capable of playing the songs.
Who gives a shit what he says to the media?

Ladies and gentelmen, from Hollywood, a half assed reunion of the now watered down, and politically correct GN?R! featuring the drummer you?ve never heard of because they are afraid the drummer who?s inclusion would be necessary to consider this a true reunion may say something to the media that could hurt your feelings!

They all had a hand in fucking up one of the greatest rock n? roll bands we will ever see, but if they are trotting out yet another C-list lineup, they can keep my ticket.
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2015, 03:30:47 PM »

Ladies and gentelmen, from Hollywood, a half assed reunion of the now watered down, and politically correct GN?R! featuring the drummer you?ve never heard of because they are afraid the drummer who?s inclusion would be necessary to consider this a true reunion may say something to the media that could hurt your feelings!

They all had a hand in fucking up one of the greatest rock n? roll bands we will ever see, but if they are trotting out yet another C-list lineup, they can keep my ticket.
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Agree on all fronts.

I think Steven's words are sad for a few reasons, but mostly because he's bought into all the GNR reunion bullshit.  I still refuse to believe that Axl and Slash have even spoken to one another, yet alone are preparing for a reunion.  I fully believe that Steven is responding to all the bullshit in the media about a reunion.  I don't believe for a second there have been any reunion talks between any of the other original members.

Anyone who bothered to listen to the recent radio interview with Steven knows that he just HEARD the same allegations that we've all heard about Slash and Axl reuniting.  That was clear.  He didn't ascertain this news from any official source.....just like nobody else in the world did either.

It's blatantly obvious to me that Slash nonchalantly answered ONE question the wrong way, and the entire world ravenously gobbled it all up..... and they still are.  We don't have a shred of real proof that Slash's "friends with Axl" comment was anything more than another of his famously dismissive reunion responses.  It's so obvious to me that Slash has answered so many reunion questions that he's like a talking robot anymore with those kinds of questions.  He has a programmed answer regardless of how it is worded.

But of course the world can't get enough bullshit, which is why it's sad that Steven feels so bad about it.  Steven is feeling blue about a reunion that is NOT being discussed, and is NOT going to happen even with him on board.

Yep, sad.   Sad  I just wish Slash would come forward and correct the bullshit so this storm would finally die down.
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2015, 03:43:02 PM »

If think the only criteria should be if Adler is still capable of playing the songs.
Who gives a shit what he says to the media?

You obviously don't.
Good for you!

Due to all this recent reunion talk in the media, he's getting to do more interviews. Unfortunately for you, and maybe him, people read/listen to what he says and might not always agree with what was said.



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Ex-GUNS N' ROSES drummer Steven Adler says that he has not been approached by any of his former bandmates about a possible reunion of the classic GN'R lineup and blames the lack of communication in part on the fact that Slash and Duff McKagan don't believe that he is sober.

Slash recently revealed that he and GUNS N' ROSES' lead singer, Axl Rose, had repaired their estranged relationship after nearly 20 years, immediately leading to a storm of speculation about a possible reunion of the classic GUNS lineup.

Asked point blank if he knows anything about a rumored reunion of GUNS N' ROSES' "Appetite For Destruction" lineup, Adler told Eddie Trunk during a September 28 appearance on Trunk's SiriusXM satellite radio show, "Eddie Trunk Live": "Nothing. Even if it was happening, I don't think Slash would tell me, because he knows how excited I get and that I would probably say something before I should. I would be the last one to know."

Adler, who was famously fired from GUNS N' ROSES in 1990 for his rampant drug use, added that part of the reason he hasn't heard anything about a rumored GUNS reunion is the fact that he hasn't been able to convince his former bandmates that he is clean from alcohol and drugs.

"I love those guys, and I always will, but Duff, he doesn't think I'm cool," Adler said. "He doesn't think I'm a cool guy. This is what people tell me. And he doesn't think I'm cool and that I'm not that great of a drummer. And Slash, he doesn't believe that I have 21 months and 21 days sober. He doesn't believe it. I don't know why, but they forget that at one time in their life, they were doing drugs and drinking and they were fucking up. They forget that they were like that too. Duff has got 20 years sober or more, Slash has got, like, 11 or 12 years sober, and I've got a year, nine months and 21 days. So everybody gets it at a different time. I'm just thankful I got it."

He went on to say: "They don't think I'm cool and they don't think I can play drums that great and they don't think I'm sober. Duff, he has a right, in a way, but, like I said, he forgets where he came from too. But we did do some shows [together] in Japan [in 2013], and Duff invited [Steven's current band] ADLER to come down, and I was still drinking then. And the second I got to the airport, I made a beeline for the bar, and I just started doing shots of J?ger. And the whole trip I was sick and I was just a mess. And, you know, Duff's sober and he's very judgmental and forgetful of where he came from. And he was just so bummed and pissed at me. I mean, the playing part, the shows when we actually were performing, that went all right, but everything else? So I kind of ruined it and gave him the excuse to be able to say, 'Well, he's not cool and he's not that good.' But I stopped doing that. They stopped doing that. Just because they stopped doing it before I did doesn't make them any better. We're all people who have addiction problems. I was just able to get a grip on it later on in life than they did."

Asked what the turning point was for him to get his life together and stop going into detoxes and rehabs, Adler said: "I learned from going to meetings with the right people and talking to the right people at AA meetings and stuff, and I got a great sponsor, and we worked it out. My problem was I had resentment towards those guys [GUNS N' ROSES bandmates], and towards other things, and I had abandonment issues. So once I was able to forgive those guys and realize it wasn't them to blame, but me to blame ? I did what I did to me; they didn't do what they did to me; I did it to myself ? and once I started hating them, I was able to? and have some time, 'cause it takes time for the brain to heal after drinking so much. Alcohol fucks your brain up and it takes a good nine, ten, eleven [months or] a year until you actually start thinking clear again. Now I'm just able to live my life and be happy with who I am."

According to Adler, he is still in contact with Slash, but he hasn't been able to convince the guitarist to meet with him in person for quite some time. "I'm always trying to get [Slash] to go to Crossroads, this vegan restaurant," Adler said. "I [tell him], 'Get your girlfriend and come meet me and my wife over? And John 5 [ROB ZOMBIE]. I say, meet me and John 5 and Rita over at Crossroads for brunch or dinner.' [And he writes back] 'Ehh, I can't. I'm working.' I'm going, 'You've gotta be home way more than that. Just come meet with me. Let's go have a cup of coffee.'

Asked if it's true that he recently said that he would kill himself if the classic GUNS N' ROSES lineup reunited without him, Adler said: "I would probably feel like I would wanna kill myself, but I wouldn't. I would probably just kill them. [Laughs] 'Cause if I'm not doing it, they're not doing it. If I'm going down, they're going down."

Adler also expressed frustration over the fact that so many world-famous musicians, including GUNS N' ROSES, can't seem to overcome personal differences and reunite for the sake of their fans.

"I don't understand what the problem is," he said. "We're just rock bands. We all started practicing in our garage or our bedroom. We met each other, and we started playing in our garage, then we worked on songs. This is what we wanted to do. Our dreams came true.

"I don't know why it's so difficult for people that have been successful and still can moderately successful," he continued. "Of course, nobody's gonna be like they were in the '80s; that was our generation. It's a new generation now of music and people and kids. But there are bands like BON JOVI and METALLICA and the GUNS N' ROSES reunion; [if that were to happen] that would be huge."

Adler added: "I don't get it. We just play music. We're living our dream. Why does everybody have to be such a dick and so fucking crazy? It's, like, hey, we play music. When we're together, we play it really great. Let's just do it. What's the problem?"

Despite the fact that he hasn't heard anything about a possible reunion of the classic GUNS lineup, Adler remains optimistic about his future. "Even if the GN'R thing doesn't happen, I'm still gonna do what I'm doing every day," he said. "I'm gonna keep living, being happy, practicing, playing with my band. I wasted enough time in a blackout, in a haze. I'm living now."

I have two takeaways here :

1) There obviously have been some reunion discussions

2) Steven has been told, directly or indirectly, he's out.


All around really bizarre interview. But hey! It?s Adler   hihi

So someone told him that Duff doesn`t trust him. Well I think Adler should be more concerned about how Axl feels. Even if Duff loves him with all his heart  it won`t matter to Axl.

It may sound crazy but when it comes to Axl, he may take Adler over to the Sorum. Axl and Sorum never got along. I remeber Sorum being pissed off because in the Live Era booklet he is just an "aditional musician". And in old interviews Axl has said that Sorum never was in the partnership.

Still if he was told something I guess Adler should talk to Duff first instead of giving too much credit to a gossip
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2015, 04:05:02 PM »

Oh to be on the fly on a wall when Axl and Duff and whoever else talk about the future of Guns N Roses.

I'd pay more money to hear those conversations than I would to actually go to the show ! At least close to.
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Ex-GUNS N' ROSES drummer Steven Adler says that he has not been approached by any of his former bandmates about a possible reunion of the classic GN'R lineup and blames the lack of communication in part on the fact that Slash and Duff McKagan don't believe that he is sober.

Slash recently revealed that he and GUNS N' ROSES' lead singer, Axl Rose, had repaired their estranged relationship after nearly 20 years, immediately leading to a storm of speculation about a possible reunion of the classic GUNS lineup.

Asked point blank if he knows anything about a rumored reunion of GUNS N' ROSES' "Appetite For Destruction" lineup, Adler told Eddie Trunk during a September 28 appearance on Trunk's SiriusXM satellite radio show, "Eddie Trunk Live": "Nothing. Even if it was happening, I don't think Slash would tell me, because he knows how excited I get and that I would probably say something before I should. I would be the last one to know."

Adler, who was famously fired from GUNS N' ROSES in 1990 for his rampant drug use, added that part of the reason he hasn't heard anything about a rumored GUNS reunion is the fact that he hasn't been able to convince his former bandmates that he is clean from alcohol and drugs.

"I love those guys, and I always will, but Duff, he doesn't think I'm cool," Adler said. "He doesn't think I'm a cool guy. This is what people tell me. And he doesn't think I'm cool and that I'm not that great of a drummer. And Slash, he doesn't believe that I have 21 months and 21 days sober. He doesn't believe it. I don't know why, but they forget that at one time in their life, they were doing drugs and drinking and they were fucking up. They forget that they were like that too. Duff has got 20 years sober or more, Slash has got, like, 11 or 12 years sober, and I've got a year, nine months and 21 days. So everybody gets it at a different time. I'm just thankful I got it."

He went on to say: "They don't think I'm cool and they don't think I can play drums that great and they don't think I'm sober. Duff, he has a right, in a way, but, like I said, he forgets where he came from too. But we did do some shows [together] in Japan [in 2013], and Duff invited [Steven's current band] ADLER to come down, and I was still drinking then. And the second I got to the airport, I made a beeline for the bar, and I just started doing shots of J?ger. And the whole trip I was sick and I was just a mess. And, you know, Duff's sober and he's very judgmental and forgetful of where he came from. And he was just so bummed and pissed at me. I mean, the playing part, the shows when we actually were performing, that went all right, but everything else? So I kind of ruined it and gave him the excuse to be able to say, 'Well, he's not cool and he's not that good.' But I stopped doing that. They stopped doing that. Just because they stopped doing it before I did doesn't make them any better. We're all people who have addiction problems. I was just able to get a grip on it later on in life than they did."

Asked what the turning point was for him to get his life together and stop going into detoxes and rehabs, Adler said: "I learned from going to meetings with the right people and talking to the right people at AA meetings and stuff, and I got a great sponsor, and we worked it out. My problem was I had resentment towards those guys [GUNS N' ROSES bandmates], and towards other things, and I had abandonment issues. So once I was able to forgive those guys and realize it wasn't them to blame, but me to blame ? I did what I did to me; they didn't do what they did to me; I did it to myself ? and once I started hating them, I was able to? and have some time, 'cause it takes time for the brain to heal after drinking so much. Alcohol fucks your brain up and it takes a good nine, ten, eleven [months or] a year until you actually start thinking clear again. Now I'm just able to live my life and be happy with who I am."

According to Adler, he is still in contact with Slash, but he hasn't been able to convince the guitarist to meet with him in person for quite some time. "I'm always trying to get [Slash] to go to Crossroads, this vegan restaurant," Adler said. "I [tell him], 'Get your girlfriend and come meet me and my wife over? And John 5 [ROB ZOMBIE]. I say, meet me and John 5 and Rita over at Crossroads for brunch or dinner.' [And he writes back] 'Ehh, I can't. I'm working.' I'm going, 'You've gotta be home way more than that. Just come meet with me. Let's go have a cup of coffee.'

Asked if it's true that he recently said that he would kill himself if the classic GUNS N' ROSES lineup reunited without him, Adler said: "I would probably feel like I would wanna kill myself, but I wouldn't. I would probably just kill them. [Laughs] 'Cause if I'm not doing it, they're not doing it. If I'm going down, they're going down."

Adler also expressed frustration over the fact that so many world-famous musicians, including GUNS N' ROSES, can't seem to overcome personal differences and reunite for the sake of their fans.

"I don't understand what the problem is," he said. "We're just rock bands. We all started practicing in our garage or our bedroom. We met each other, and we started playing in our garage, then we worked on songs. This is what we wanted to do. Our dreams came true.

"I don't know why it's so difficult for people that have been successful and still can moderately successful," he continued. "Of course, nobody's gonna be like they were in the '80s; that was our generation. It's a new generation now of music and people and kids. But there are bands like BON JOVI and METALLICA and the GUNS N' ROSES reunion; [if that were to happen] that would be huge."

Adler added: "I don't get it. We just play music. We're living our dream. Why does everybody have to be such a dick and so fucking crazy? It's, like, hey, we play music. When we're together, we play it really great. Let's just do it. What's the problem?"

Despite the fact that he hasn't heard anything about a possible reunion of the classic GUNS lineup, Adler remains optimistic about his future. "Even if the GN'R thing doesn't happen, I'm still gonna do what I'm doing every day," he said. "I'm gonna keep living, being happy, practicing, playing with my band. I wasted enough time in a blackout, in a haze. I'm living now."

I have two takeaways here :

1) There obviously have been some reunion discussions

2) Steven has been told, directly or indirectly, he's out.


All around really bizarre interview. But hey! It?s Adler   hihi

So someone told him that Duff doesn`t trust him. Well I think Adler should be more concerned about how Axl feels. Even if Duff loves him with all his heart  it won`t matter to Axl.

It may sound crazy but when it comes to Axl, he may take Adler over to the Sorum. Axl and Sorum never got along. I remeber Sorum being pissed off because in the Live Era booklet he is just an "aditional musician". And in old interviews Axl has said that Sorum never was in the partnership.

Still if he was told something I guess Adler should talk to Duff first instead of giving too much credit to a gossip

I would think the reasons behind Axl's distaste for Matt basically just stem from Matt siding with Slash on most things. I don't know if it was really personal.

Just always thought that.
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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2015, 04:25:13 PM »

Dunno. I remeber reading in a interview still during the UYI Tour that Axl said that GN`R were himself, Slash and Duff. They were making the decisions and nobody else. Like from Axl`s point of view Sorum and Gilby were just hired guys. Well they were.
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2015, 04:55:15 PM »


If think the only criteria should be if Adler is still capable of playing the songs.
Who gives a shit what he says to the media?


They do, I suspect.  And I don't blame them.

You also don't need the bullshit if you have other options.  Steven is hardly a one of a kind irreplaceable part of the operation.  Wasn't like the UYI tour struggled to move tickets without the legendary Steven Adler.

No one gave a fuck.

And now, if a miracle happens 20 years later and Axl and Slash actually patch it up, people are going to be unmoved to get off the couch if there is no Steven Adler?

That's a hill you die on?
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2015, 04:55:45 PM »


Due to all this recent reunion talk in the media, he's getting to do more interviews. Unfortunately for you, and maybe him, people read/listen to what he says and might not always agree with what was said.


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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2015, 04:59:18 PM »


I would think the reasons behind Axl's distaste for Matt basically just stem from Matt siding with Slash on most things. I don't know if it was really personal.

Just always thought that.


I got the vibe that since Matt was not there from the beginning, he might have been quicker to question Axl's shenanigans moreso than the others.

I always pictured a lot of variations on this exchange :

Matt : "So...wait.  Axl is just going to <insert insanity here> and we just roll with that?"

Slash/Duff : "That's just Axl, dude.  How he is."

Matt : "Isn't that a pretty shitty answer?  This all seems rational to you both?"

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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2015, 05:26:33 PM »


He went on to say: "They don't think I'm cool and they don't think I can play drums that great and they don't think I'm sober. Duff, he has a right, in a way, but, like I said, he forgets where he came from too. But we did do some shows [together] in Japan [in 2013], and Duff invited [Steven's current band] ADLER to come down, and I was still drinking then. And the second I got to the airport, I made a beeline for the bar, and I just started doing shots of J?ger. And the whole trip I was sick and I was just a mess. And, you know, Duff's sober and he's very judgmental and forgetful of where he came from. And he was just so bummed and pissed at me. I mean, the playing part, the shows when we actually were performing, that went all right, but everything else? So I kind of ruined it and gave him the excuse to be able to say, 'Well, he's not cool and he's not that good.' But I stopped doing that. They stopped doing that. Just because they stopped doing it before I did doesn't make them any better. We're all people who have addiction problems. I was just able to get a grip on it later on in life than they did."


Look at those bits in bold.

Now seriously tell me a how a high profile world tour goes.

You best make a back-up agreement with Matt, or Frank, who whoever.  Because you'll probably need them by show #5.
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2015, 05:39:26 PM »


If think the only criteria should be if Adler is still capable of playing the songs.
Who gives a shit what he says to the media?


They do, I suspect.  And I don't blame them.

You also don't need the bullshit if you have other options.  Steven is hardly a one of a kind irreplaceable part of the operation.  Wasn't like the UYI tour struggled to move tickets without the legendary Steven Adler.

No one gave a fuck.

And now, if a miracle happens 20 years later and Axl and Slash actually patch it up, people are going to be unmoved to get off the couch if there is no Steven Adler?

That's a hill you die on?


Not arguing that tickets will fly regardless if Steven is there or not. Doesn?t make it any less of a sham.
Guess it?s just hard for me to understand how fans of Guns N? Roses could be so disinterested in a legitimate reunion.

Steven?s dismissal is when things started going bad for Guns creatively.
Sure, the Illusions were a massive success, as were the tours, and Matt put his stamp on those songs.
That doesn?t change the fact that Steven was behind the kit for AFD, Lies, and the creation of the majority of UYI songs.

Guns N? Roses creatively face planted without Steven and Izzy around.
All they could muster was a cover album.

It couldn?t be more obvious that there was not a singular mastermind pulling the strings of classic GN?R.
It was a collaborative effort. That magic is all but surely gone. But they could still put on an amazing live show. It?s probably all they have to offer at this point, and if I?m paying big money on ?reunion? tickets, I?d prefer to get a reunion show out of it. Not 2/5, or 3/5 of one.

GN?R has served as a great example of what not to do over the past couple of decades.
If a reunion were truly in the cards, it would be nice if they could get it right.
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2015, 06:02:42 PM »


Not arguing that tickets will fly regardless if Steven is there or not. Doesn?t make it any less of a sham.

GN?R has served as a great example of what not to do over the past couple of decades.
If a reunion were truly in the cards, it would be nice if they could get it right.


OK, usually, I'm right with this.

Because, let's face it.  I hate the band.  And why am I even here?

I think this is a bit unfair though.  I agree Axl's has mismanaged things to a New Coke level of marketing failure.

But even a hybridized reunion is him trying to do right by the fans, isn't it?
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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2015, 12:38:10 AM »

Steven has the same problem that he had on the VH1 Behind The Music..... Still can't take responsibility for his actions. Always SOMEONE else's fault. which is probably why he can't stay sober.
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