THEORY - axl saving chi dem 2 songs for possible reunion album???

[AxlsMainMan]

I think an appropriate comparison would be The Beatles where Pete Best and Stuart Sutcliffe were original Beatles as Ole, Tracii and Rob were original Gunners, but they didn't go on to become the Fab 4 the way Tracii and the others didn't go on to become the AFD 5 and cement Guns' as a household name.

[Gaymo, the Hobbit]

Some people here need to get a fucking life. Seriously...

[jarmo]

I think an appropriate comparison would be The Beatles where Pete Best and Stuart Sutcliffe were original Beatles as Ole, Tracii and Rob were original Gunners, but they didn't go on to become the Fab 4 the way Tracii and the others didn't go on to become the AFD 5 and cement Guns' as a household name.

Yeah, nobody's taken anything away from the so called classic line up of the band. Just pointed out facts.... And yet this is argued like it's not factual and incorrect!

Arguing about facts. 
"I don't care about facts, they didn't form the band because I don't want to believe in that!"... Ok... 



/jarmo

[14 Yrs Of Silence]

I disagree with all that. Once those 3 left, it seized even being a group. Because Axl used the same name, in no way makes it the SAME group. Had THOSE guys written songs on appetite, and Slash Duff etc came in and PLAYED their songs... Yes.. I'd call them original members, but since no music from that group was used... The GNR featuring the AFD lineup is in fact the ORIGINAL band.

Holy shit, D is back....welcome back dude. 

[Bridge]

1.)Nothing you have said changes the fact that GNR existed before Slash, Duff, and Steven joined.

Nothing you say will change the fact that the majority of fans don't give a shit that "GNR existed" before Slash, Duff, and Steven joined.

Like I said, I'm gonna keep calling them original members just as I have for the last 3 decades, and it's not because I'm unaware of Ole Beich, Tracii Guns, or Rob Gardner.  It's because I don't care!  When I heard Appetite for Destruction, I didn't care who performed in one or two freaking shows under the GNR banner before that.  The lineup that was right there in front of me is all I ever needed to care about.  Everybody who watched their ferociously energetic show at the Ritz in 1988, as well the MTV VMA performance in '88 didn't care about the definition of original.  But I suppose you would've waded through the crowd at those shows and tried to educate and correct everybody there who thought it was the original lineup.   

I'm very aware of GNR history, but thank you for attempting to educate me-

Whooooa boy is there some hypocrisy found in THAT statement!  You do NOTHING but attempt to correct and "educate" people with every single frivolous effort to antagonize people with your "pre-existing lineup" bullshit.  All the while, ignoring the point I've made above.  Fans don't claim Slash, Steven, and Duff were original members because those fans are ignorant of GNR history -- or living in a fantasy world, as you like you claim.  It's because people don't care about any of that bullshit.  They care about the lineup they fell in love with!  It's that simple, and nothing YOU say will ever change the way people look at it!

insignificant guys are even mentioned on Wikipedia. How upsetting is that? I mean, nobody cares right?

It isn't insulting to merely acknowledge them.  It's insulting to get assaulted by this meaningless "argument" about the definition of the word original.  Emily of course completely ignored my overall point that when people refer to the Appetite lineup as the original lineup, it's not because they're ignorant, delusional, or necessarily trying to "favor" a particular lineup.  People refer to the Appetite lineup as the original 5 members for the very good and very accurate reasons I listed already.

And as somebody else pointed out above, nobody needs to be badgered by message board cops raising the names Ole Beich, Tracii Guns, and Rob Gardner every single time we refer to the Appetite lineup as the original lineup.  It would be one thing if you just talked about them.  But it seems the only time their names are ever raised is when someone feels the need to "correct" someone who used the word "original" to describe the Appetite lineup.  There is NO reason to ever do that except to discredit that lineup or to just plain start a fight, because I strongly doubt that ANYBODY on this board is unaware that Rob, Tracii, or Ole existed under a GNR banner for one or two shows.

[norway]

Not knocking any1's musicianship, but the facts remain; gnr was something Axl lived by long before it became a corporate product.

Edit:
I still listen to obscure music. The majority is always wrong and the indvidual is above teh rest. tnx

[jarmo]

It isn't insulting to merely acknowledge them.  It's insulting to get assaulted by this meaningless "argument" about the definition of the word original.  Emily of course completely ignored my overall point that when people refer to the Appetite lineup as the original lineup, it's not because they're ignorant, delusional, or necessarily trying to "favor" a particular lineup.  People refer to the Appetite lineup as the original 5 members for the very good and very accurate reasons I listed already.

And as somebody else pointed out above, nobody needs to be badgered by message board cops raising the names Ole Beich, Tracii Guns, and Rob Gardner every single time we refer to the Appetite lineup as the original lineup.  It would be one thing if you just talked about them.  But it seems the only time their names are ever raised is when someone feels the need to "correct" someone who used the word "original" to describe the Appetite lineup.  There is NO reason to ever do that except to discredit that lineup or to just plain start a fight, because I strongly doubt that ANYBODY on this board is unaware that Rob, Tracii, or Ole existed under a GNR banner for one or two shows.

There's no need to point out actual facts and correct those who might be wrong? Especially on a fan site with fans who you assume know how the band started?

Instead of those who keep referring to the AFD line up as the founding original band, saying "ok, I see, you're right", they get upset and refuse. Then go on and on about how the band was nothing etc etc etc. Why?

Again, and again, I got no problems with whatever line up you prefer. I don't really care what Tracii Guns has done before or after he was in GN'R.
But none of that changes the fact that he was there when my favorite band started. If I kept saying otherwise, I'd be ignoring the facts... Makes no sense!

In this case, there's not even two different versions of the event.
So you don't even have that reason to not believe in it....

It's like Santa Claus? We shouldn't point out that some of you are wrong because you'll get upset and cry when you find out Santa Claus isn't real?



/jarmo



PS Santa Claus is real. I met him last summer......

[GNR4LIFEJD]

Can't we all just say everybody's favorite gnr lineup which is the AFD/UYI lineup with all due respect to steven adler I don't think most gnr fans care who plays drums because its almost split as to who peope in here would want on drums its like bass position in metallica which has had cliff, Jason and Rob its the rest of the guys Axl, Slash and duff I think most would like to see if a reunion were to happen. I leave out izzy only because if he wants to be all in for then of course they should have him but if he just wants to do a few shows here and there I say let Richard be the rhythm guy.

[EmilyGNR]

1.)Nothing you have said changes the fact that GNR existed before Slash, Duff, and Steven joined.

Nothing you say will change the fact that the majority of fans don't give a shit that "GNR existed" before Slash, Duff, and Steven joined.

Like I said, I'm gonna keep calling them original members just as I have for the last 3 decades, and it's not because I'm unaware of Ole Beich, Tracii Guns, or Rob Gardner.  It's because I don't care!  When I heard Appetite for Destruction, I didn't care who performed in one or two freaking shows under the GNR banner before that.  The lineup that was right there in front of me is all I ever needed to care about.  Everybody who watched their ferociously energetic show at the Ritz in 1988, as well the MTV VMA performance in '88 didn't care about the definition of original.  But I suppose you would've waded through the crowd at those shows and tried to educate and correct everybody there who thought it was the original lineup.   

I'm very aware of GNR history, but thank you for attempting to educate me-

Whooooa boy is there some hypocrisy found in THAT statement!  You do NOTHING but attempt to correct and "educate" people with every single frivolous effort to antagonize people with your "pre-existing lineup" bullshit.  All the while, ignoring the point I've made above.  Fans don't claim Slash, Steven, and Duff were original members because those fans are ignorant of GNR history -- or living in a fantasy world, as you like you claim.  It's because people don't care about any of that bullshit.  They care about the lineup they fell in love with!  It's that simple, and nothing YOU say will ever change the way people look at it!

insignificant guys are even mentioned on Wikipedia. How upsetting is that? I mean, nobody cares right?

It isn't insulting to merely acknowledge them.  It's insulting to get assaulted by this meaningless "argument" about the definition of the word original.  Emily of course completely ignored my overall point that when people refer to the Appetite lineup as the original lineup, it's not because they're ignorant, delusional, or necessarily trying to "favor" a particular lineup.  People refer to the Appetite lineup as the original 5 members for the very good and very accurate reasons I listed already.

And as somebody else pointed out above, nobody needs to be badgered by message board cops raising the names Ole Beich, Tracii Guns, and Rob Gardner every single time we refer to the Appetite lineup as the original lineup.  It would be one thing if you just talked about them.  But it seems the only time their names are ever raised is when someone feels the need to "correct" someone who used the word "original" to describe the Appetite lineup.  There is NO reason to ever do that except to discredit that lineup or to just plain start a fight, because I strongly doubt that ANYBODY on this board is unaware that Rob, Tracii, or Ole existed under a GNR banner for one or two shows.

If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong

You can call them whatever you want, but that doesn't mean you are historically correct.

Again, sorry you are sooo upset by this but facts are facts and all your attempts to justify why the AFD lineup is original won't make it so.

Nobody, nobody is arguing that the AFD lineup wasn't more popular and didn't contribute more- you can rattle off all the shows you want and it will still be a straw man argument against something Nobody said.

Nobody, nobody is trying to discredit anyone period.

You have your panties in a twist because I'm saying that 3 members of the Appetite lineup joined a pre-existing band- how is that historical fact so disturbing?

A lie doesn't become truth because it is inconvenient, unpopular or accepted by a majority. 

[GNRBABY]

wow, we drifted off topic a bit   

I couldn't deal with reading every post, but here's my 2cents

to answer the original question. Yes, I think it's possible, IF of course, Axl made a new GNR album with Slash and Duff,  that some of the CD era songs could be included. I think we'd see more of a UYI type album, where you had rockers blended in with some complex and philosophical songs. I don't think you'd see a situation where Slash and Duff are going to re-record parts of finished CD songs. I think they would want to approach the said record as a new project. Slash and Duff write fast.... I'm sure it would be a mixed bag. Of course I didn't mention Izzy, If he is there, than god bless that too. I don't think the old members are going to simply fall in line and continue with the current vibe of GNR and act as nothing more than replacements for DJ,Ron, or Tommy. Anyone holding out for that, than good luck with that. 

The Appetite line up was the first to release an album/publish music, and was the first line up recognized by the world as Guns N' Roses. The previous line up didn't leave much behind at all. While they may be technically the first, they didn't do enough that we have to stop and explain this to everyone when they say classic or original  GNR. Why are we even having this discussion? GNR would be nowhere without the lighting in a bottle the AFD line up captured. It's not going to happen like that ever again. They are all brilliant musicians, I prefer Axl's music to theirs, but they are no doubt all great.

 

[ThatGuy]

wow, we drifted off topic a bit   

I couldn't deal with reading every post, but here's my 2cents

to answer the original question. Yes, I think it's possible, IF of course, Axl made a new GNR album with Slash and Duff,  that some of the CD era songs could be included. I think we'd see more of a UYI type album, where you had rockers blended in with some complex and philosophical songs. I don't think you'd see a situation where Slash and Duff are going to re-record parts of finished CD songs. I think they would want to approach the said record as a new project. Slash and Duff write fast.... I'm sure it would be a mixed bag. Of course I didn't mention Izzy, If he is there, than god bless that too. I don't think the old members are going to simply fall in line and continue with the current vibe of GNR and act as nothing more than replacements for DJ,Ron, or Tommy. Anyone holding out for that, than good luck with that. 

The Appetite line up was the first to release an album/publish music, and was the first line up recognized by the world as Guns N' Roses. The previous line up didn't leave much behind at all. While they may be technically the first, they didn't do enough that we have to stop and explain this to everyone when they say classic or original  GNR. Why are we even having this discussion? GNR would be nowhere without the lighting in a bottle the AFD line up captured. It's not going to happen like that ever again. They are all brilliant musicians, I prefer Axl's music to theirs, but they are no doubt all great.

 

Yes, this thread has been hijacked with the very old, and very cliche, "who are guns and roses" argument. ANYWAY...my original question is,simply this... does anyone think axl has anything in the vault he hast released, or maybe even hasn't RECORDED, because he's holding it to possibly collaborate on with izzy, slash, or duff?

[Princess Leia]

wow, we drifted off topic a bit   

I couldn't deal with reading every post, but here's my 2cents

to answer the original question. Yes, I think it's possible, IF of course, Axl made a new GNR album with Slash and Duff,  that some of the CD era songs could be included. I think we'd see more of a UYI type album, where you had rockers blended in with some complex and philosophical songs. I don't think you'd see a situation where Slash and Duff are going to re-record parts of finished CD songs. I think they would want to approach the said record as a new project. Slash and Duff write fast.... I'm sure it would be a mixed bag. Of course I didn't mention Izzy, If he is there, than god bless that too. I don't think the old members are going to simply fall in line and continue with the current vibe of GNR and act as nothing more than replacements for DJ,Ron, or Tommy. Anyone holding out for that, than good luck with that. 

The Appetite line up was the first to release an album/publish music, and was the first line up recognized by the world as Guns N' Roses. The previous line up didn't leave much behind at all. While they may be technically the first, they didn't do enough that we have to stop and explain this to everyone when they say classic or original  GNR. Why are we even having this discussion? GNR would be nowhere without the lighting in a bottle the AFD line up captured. It's not going to happen like that ever again. They are all brilliant musicians, I prefer Axl's music to theirs, but they are no doubt all great.

 

Yes, this thread has been hijacked with the very old, and very cliche, "who are guns and roses" argument. ANYWAY...my original question is,simply this... does anyone think axl has anything in the vault he hast released, or maybe even hasn't RECORDED, because he's holding it to possibly collaborate on with izzy, slash, or duff?

I guess it is because your theory is really odd to say the least. The first time Axl spoke about CD was 2001! Now you are saying that CD 2 was not released because Axl has the "brilliant" idea of remaking that album with Slash, Duff, Izzy and Adler or Sorum.

[kukol1978]

Sooooo this forum has been repoblated with Gnr Reunion topics, and none of them has been deleted.Sooooo that confirms that anyhing is going to happen

[sofine11]

Sooooo this forum has been repoblated with Gnr Reunion topics, and none of them has been deleted.Sooooo that confirms that anyhing is going to happen

I think the mods, even Jarmo, see that everything in GNR's future is, at best, ambiguous at this point.  I think a reunion is just as likely as a new album or tour.  Why delete it?

[jarmo]

I should delete it because that's what I'm supposed to do?

Some really have zero to no clue....




/jarmo

[Annie]

I will be very happy to hear a new GNR song in whatever capacity it is presented.

[Annie]

Not knocking any1's musicianship, but the facts remain; gnr was something Axl lived by long before it became a corporate product.

Edit:
I still listen to obscure music. The majority is always wrong and the indvidual is above teh rest. tnx

Hey Norway, I was just in Norway on a Disney Frozen adventure. What's your opinion on LET IT GO?

[norway]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gctyZxidE8 ?

I don't think I understand...

I don't think most gnr fans care who plays drums

I do.
Matt (why the hell was he even inducted) slows down the music and plays it very rigidly while Steven is more playfull and groovy.  I think Matt really shines at DTJ tho.

I also notice how some of 'garden of eden' versevocals might be recorded in a diferent room/day, how Axl changed the way he sings 'thunder' from 06 and out, that it seems they started to use a pre-recorded crowd-roar (LAME AS HELL!!!) on wttj from 09-tour, how Frank plays the start of NR-outro exorable instead of martial, a new axl-scream on omg, and Brain's solid and hard-hitting playing-style.

'most gnr fans' define fan specially intrested?

musiclovers (people w special intrest) will notice Brian May plays on a version of catcher with just listening while regular music-consumptionists wont.

[norway]

 
As a fan, all incarnations are valid and original means original. I personally like 02-lineup most while others prefer afd/90's lineup.

I think a reunion is just as likely as a new album or tour. 

It (reunion) is wishfull thinking, unlike logical anticipation for the upcoming album. We just need a little a lot of patience...and coffee

does anyone think axl has anything in the vault he hast released, or maybe even hasn't RECORDED, because he's holding it to possibly collaborate on with izzy, slash, or duff?

Sounds a bit as reunion-paranoia but yes. He probably has stuff that is more suitable for classic guns.

I don't really care what Tracii Guns has done before or after he was in GN'R.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPv7DRq9saY He plays there w Nikki Sixx in Brides of Destruction.

The playstyle is more like Mick Mars than the far more bluesy Slash.

PS Santa Claus is real. I met him last summer......

Santa apparantly has pagan origin, then it was christianized and then americanized. Like Halloween.

A lie doesn't become truth because it is inconvenient, unpopular or accepted by a majority. 

*wonders if inspired this part*

[norway]

was just gonna take a quick peek on the forum and then 3 fucking posts in a row... i have 2 get out of here  

I don't think the old members are going to simply fall in line and continue with the current vibe of GNR and act as nothing more than replacements for DJ,Ron, or Tommy.

Yeah, I agree.

They would also have to be under contract by Axl as the name is legally his. Don't know how well that will sit due to the lawsuits and all.

The Appetite line up was the first to release an album/publish music, and was the first line up recognized by the world as Guns N' Roses.

The first who got mainstream recognition worldwide you mean? Cause people in the world obviously recognized Traci and Axl as GunsN'Roses back then.

The previous line up didn't leave much behind at all.

Songs with Hollywood Rose-roots features on Live like a suicide (fuck if I spell it correct) and AFD.


 

While they may be technically the first, they didn't do enough that we have to stop and explain this to everyone when they say classic or original  GNR.

And?

GNR would be nowhere without the lighting in a bottle the AFD line up captured.

AFD line up would be nowhere without the lighting in the bottle bands like road crew, rapid fire (amongst others) captured.

 

Why are we even having this discussion?

Dunno, it is indeed factually incorrect to refer to afd-line up as original gnr. End of discussion?