THEORY - axl saving chi dem 2 songs for possible reunion album???

[jemin]

I think the real problem is that some people would only argue this point to diminish the "classic" line ups influence on the band. 

I've pointed out a number of times that I wasn't discrediting anybody's input over the years in GN'R. Everybody who's been in the band has been there for a reason and they contributed something. I wasn't trying to diminish anything.

When you state the fact that the band started with different people than who made it the worldwide success it became, it's not taking anything way from what they did. How could it?



/jarmo

I never said you did.  I said some!

[D-GenerationX]

I think the real problem is that some people would only argue this point to diminish the "classic" line ups influence on the band.  I whole heartedly believe that most people would not take this stance if the "classic" band was still together or if they didn't have the issues that they have (or had if you believe the rumors) with each other.

I see it slightly different. 

I think this point is argued to put the best possible spin on the clusterfuck this operation has been for 15 years.

You shouldn't have a problem with all the turnover, because, hey...Slash wasn't an original member.

You shouldn't have a problem accepting this line-up as Guns N' Roses, because...hey, by the time of the UYI tour it was already different than what you knew.

That sort of thing.

[HBK]

Jesus.  You people are like little kids.

You are right they did join a pre existing band.

Then they proceeded to do what no other incarnation beside them could do.

They recorded one of the most electrifying rock albums ever.  Caught the attention of almost everyone on the planet (I know that is a bit of hyperbole).  Recorded and toured for roughly 5-6 years and then imploded all over themselves.  All the while still holding the attention of most their fans through the thick and thin of GNR.

Those other guys that help start the band?  Yeah not so much.  And who really gives a fuck that they were in a band that you would have never heard of because they couldn't give a fuck enough to do what needed to be done.  They are an after note.  And I can't speak for the man but I would think Axl doesn't give a fuck about those other guys either.

The issue is that when you call Slash, Duff and Adler original or founding GN`R members you have people telling you that you`re wrong. That is was not the case at all.

I personally  will always call them original. And when people tells me I`m wrong. I`m gonna ignore them. And I`m gonna ignore those who call Tracii, Ole and Rob original.

So we  can call them whatever we feel like it.

Other People/Kids Says:

LineUp UYI Tour Is Original GNR

 

[D-GenerationX]

See what I mean?

[jarmo]

I never said you did.  I said some!

No worries, just clarifying.


I think the whole concept is confusing to some.
They love one particular line up so much, and then discredit the others. So when somebody points out to them that "their" line up wasn't the original one, it just bothers them.




/jarmo

[HBK]

I never said you did.  I said some!

No worries, just clarifying.


I think the whole concept is confusing to some.
They love one particular line up so much, and then discredit the others. So when somebody points out to them that "their" line up wasn't the original one, it just bothers them.




/jarmo

Things Of Boys, Boys, Boys

 

[JAEBALL]

Jarmo ... I beg of you ...

If there is ever a reunion concert .. You MUST go up to Slash and Duff backstage and tell them they are not original members and take a Video of their reaction.

Lol

[jarmo]

Hahahaha.

Well, Slash even writes about it in his book.... Even mentions Tracii being there from the start! 


Edited to add, from his book: My memory is hazy on the various events that led to the forming of Guns N? Roses, because, to be honest, for most of it I wasn?t there.


/jarmo

[HBK]

Hahahaha.

Well, Slash even writes about it in his book.... Even mentions Tracii being there from the start! 



/jarmo

Kick Ass

 

[FunkyMonkey]

Slash refers to them as the original members.

"I'm not bored with the fascination with [GUNS N' ROSES music]. What I'm bored with is all the brouhaha with stuff the media have no idea what they are talking about.. the causing of unnecessary conflict between the original members. It's just a lot of drama and sensationalism ? everyone is trying to capitalize on that. I'm sick of it."

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/slash-blames-media-for-causing-unnecessary-conflict-between-original-guns-n-roses-members/

[jarmo]

Just to be clear..... Once again.

Most of the world refers to the AFD5 as the original band. We all know that.
Why's that? Because they don't care for all the details.

Now, you're currently on a GN'R fan site. That should kinda give you a hint of the level of knowledge of others who are here.
This very site has a special section dedicated to the history of the band. It's like a timeline where you can read all kinds of things that happened and when they happened.

It would be very weird for me to argue, like some of you, that what's written there is in fact totally wrong and they were the super duper original founders of a band.


You're free to believe in whatever the fuck you want. If you wanna believe that Slash started Guns N' Roses, fine. If you wanna believe in the tooth fairy, go ahead.
But, and this is a big but, if you come here and expect support for your wrong facts, you're not gonna get it.




The bottom line is, nobody gets upset when you refer to the old band as the original band. It's a popular opinion, even though technically it's not 100% true. But, if you come here and start arguing about it, you're arguing with people who might've done their homework on the band's history and it just makes you look a bit ignorant. And this is exactly what some of you are doing. Arguing about it. It's fucking amusing, there's facts and you don't care, you still argue.

So, keep trying to rewrite history. It's going well for you isn't it? You've almost changed it already....



/jarmo

[FunkyMonkey]

Just to be clear...I didn't say Slash started Guns N' Roses, not rewriting history at all. 

The bottom line is, nobody gets upset when you refer to the old band as the original band. It's a popular opinion, even though technically it's not 100% true. 

Some of you do get upset when people are referring to the old band as the original band, read the thread.  Arguing with those who have that opinion.

[jarmo]

Aw, so one thing's clear, you like to argue about silly things. 



/jarmo

[FunkyMonkey]

Aw, so one thing's clear, you like to argue about silly things. 

/jarmo

I posted a quote from Slash.  You're the one who argued with it. 

[jarmo]

Yes..... Exactly. And so on. And so on.




/jarmo

[sofine11]

Didn't Marc Canter say that Axl had a few songs that he wanted Slash to play on in the early 00's, if he apologized publicly or something?  I guess it's possible that those tracks didn't end up on Chinese.  Who knows? I don't.

[sky dog]

Who gives a shit what Marc Canter said? Honestly. If Slash or Axl says it, I will/may listen. Too many people always playing detective, putting words in people's mouths, creating fantasy scenarios about what "might" have happened, yada yada with no fucking idea what the actual truth is. It is boring and tiresome. The whole thing is boring and tiresome at this point.

Gnr has no tour dates scheduled and no album release date scheduled.

Sky Dog is over the speculation and petty disputes among fans. Happy Trails! I am going to see Willie Nelson tonight...Whiskey River take my mind! 

[EmilyGNR]

Those other guys that help start the band?  Yeah not so much.  And who really gives a fuck that they were in a band that you would have never heard of because they couldn't give a fuck enough to do what needed to be done.  They are an after note.  And I can't speak for the man but I would think Axl doesn't give a fuck about those other guys either.

Like I've said, never paid a lot of attention to what Tracii Guns has done in his career. I think I heard him on some GN'R tribute albums over a decade ago.
So I have no real interest in what he does.

But, once again, I like to stick to facts. When I see people repeating something that obviously isn't true, I'll point it out.


Some get all worked up when there's a discussion about the band's history. So now people who didn't start the band, are apparently original founders. I guess that also makes every line up of the band original and its members founding members.....  

Yes, I get it, the Appetite line up was the band most of us got to know and love, yes I get that they made the band successful and known. Yes, yes, yes.... That hasn't been up for debate.

Would you say Bruce Dickinson is the original founding singer of Iron Maiden? How about Brian in AC/DC? Kirk in Metallica? The list goes on...



/jarmo

No I get it.  But it's just seems like my two sons arguing about non sense.  "Yes is it" "No it isn't" ect ect ect. 

I think the real problem is that some people would only argue this point to diminish the "classic" line ups influence on the band.  I whole heartedly believe that most people would not take this stance if the "classic" band was still together or if they didn't have the issues that they have (or had if you believe the rumors) with each other.

No, if the classic lineup were still together the fact would remain that 3 members joined a pre-existing band.

Nobody is trying to diminish or discount a thing, since when is stating the honest truth a "stance"?

Has nothing to do with issues, importance or popularity- it is simply the real history and it is the truth.

That is true but would you feel the need to correct someone at every turn or in general just have a pissing match about it?

It isn't a pissing match or even an interesting debate, it is stupid that some are so upset and in denial about what actually happened in the history of GNR.

It is even dumber when someone says "I'm going to call what I want original" You can call blue red, but that doesn't make it an actuality- it just means you are ignorant about the truth either willingly or otherwise.

[LongGoneDay]

Most people consider the players on a band?s debut album as the original lineup.
That is why the media and most people consider Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven to be the original lineup.

That said, it?s true that a lineup consisting of Tracci, Ole and Gardner predates AFD.
So it?s not wrong to consider them the originals.

It brings the ?if a tree falls in the woods? expression to mind though.
It makes for an interesting trivia question, and not a whole lot else.

The lineup that made an impact was Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven.

Before them? Crickets.
Since them? Countdown to the reunion.

[jarmo]

The lineup that made an impact was Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven.

Before them? Crickets.
Since them? Countdown to the reunion.

Don't tell that to Matt Sorum....



/jarmo