THEORY - axl saving chi dem 2 songs for possible reunion album???

[EmilyGNR]

This seems like kind of a silly argument.  This...

I find the whole, ?Slash isn?t an original member of Guns n Roses? to be very odd.  When the band was signed by Geffen, who were the members?  That?s it.  Period. 

Maybe it was Stash.

You can post all the pictures you want (that many of us have seen before) and it doesn't change the fact that Slash, Duff and Steven joined a pre-existing band.

Why is the actual truth about the history of GNR so resented by a few people here? 

Ridiculous

[FunkyMonkey]

You can post all the pictures you want (that many of us have seen before) and it doesn't change the fact that Slash, Duff and Steven joined a pre-existing band.

Who cares.  Ridiculous, yes.

[EmilyGNR]

You can post all the pictures you want (that many of us have seen before) and it doesn't change the fact that Slash, Duff and Steven joined a pre-existing band.

Who cares.  Ridiculous, yes.

Oh it is very apparent that some here care enough to try and rewrite history or redefine what a founder is.   

[FunkyMonkey]

That doesn't change anything.

[EmilyGNR]

That doesn't change anything.

Nothing changes the simple fact that Slash, Steven and Duff joined a pre-existing group.

[FunkyMonkey]

Who cares.  Doesn't change the history of the band.

[EmilyGNR]

Who cares.  Doesn't change the history of the band.

Duh!
That's just what I stated above- absolutely nothing can change the fact that Slash, Duff, and Steven joined a pre-existing band.

This is as stupid and idiotic as the other issues that some "fans" like to keep regurgitating endlessly.

[FunkyMonkey]

Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven started what makes GN'R the band it is today.

[EmilyGNR]

Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven started what makes GN'R the band it is today.

Haha 

Doesn't change the fact that Duff, Slash and Steven joined a pre-existing group, that is non-negotiable, non-changing history.

[FunkyMonkey]

Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven started what makes GN'R the band it is today.

Haha 

Doesn't change the fact that Duff, Slash and Steven joined a pre-existing group, that is non-negotiable, non-changing history.

You're just going to keep repeating that.  Over, and over.

[EmilyGNR]

Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven started what makes GN'R the band it is today.

Haha 

Doesn't change the fact that Duff, Slash and Steven joined a pre-existing group, that is non-negotiable, non-changing history.

You're just going to keep repeating that.  Over, and over.

Because it is a fact and the truth.

It doesn't matter how much you try and deny it, mimimalize it, qualify it and discount it- it remains a fact and the truth.

No idea why it upsets certain "fans" so much- 

[jemin]

Jesus.  You people are like little kids.

You are right they did join a pre existing band.

Then they proceeded to do what no other incarnation beside them could do.

They recorded one of the most electrifying rock albums ever.  Caught the attention of almost everyone on the planet (I know that is a bit of hyperbole).  Recorded and toured for roughly 5-6 years and then imploded all over themselves.  All the while still holding the attention of most their fans through the thick and thin of GNR.

Those other guys that help start the band?  Yeah not so much.  And who really gives a fuck that they were in a band that you would have never heard of because they couldn't give a fuck enough to do what needed to be done.  They are an after note.  And I can't speak for the man but I would think Axl doesn't give a fuck about those other guys either.

[Princess Leia]

Jesus.  You people are like little kids.

You are right they did join a pre existing band.

Then they proceeded to do what no other incarnation beside them could do.

They recorded one of the most electrifying rock albums ever.  Caught the attention of almost everyone on the planet (I know that is a bit of hyperbole).  Recorded and toured for roughly 5-6 years and then imploded all over themselves.  All the while still holding the attention of most their fans through the thick and thin of GNR.

Those other guys that help start the band?  Yeah not so much.  And who really gives a fuck that they were in a band that you would have never heard of because they couldn't give a fuck enough to do what needed to be done.  They are an after note.  And I can't speak for the man but I would think Axl doesn't give a fuck about those other guys either.

The issue is that when you call Slash, Duff and Adler original or founding GN`R members you have people telling you that you`re wrong. That is was not the case at all.

I personally  will always call them original. And when people tells me I`m wrong. I`m gonna ignore them. And I`m gonna ignore those who call Tracii, Ole and Rob original.

So we  can call them whatever we feel like it.

[jarmo]

Those other guys that help start the band?  Yeah not so much.  And who really gives a fuck that they were in a band that you would have never heard of because they couldn't give a fuck enough to do what needed to be done.  They are an after note.  And I can't speak for the man but I would think Axl doesn't give a fuck about those other guys either.

Like I've said, never paid a lot of attention to what Tracii Guns has done in his career. I think I heard him on some GN'R tribute albums over a decade ago.
So I have no real interest in what he does.

But, once again, I like to stick to facts. When I see people repeating something that obviously isn't true, I'll point it out.


Some get all worked up when there's a discussion about the band's history. So now people who didn't start the band, are apparently original founders. I guess that also makes every line up of the band original and its members founding members.....  

Yes, I get it, the Appetite line up was the band most of us got to know and love, yes I get that they made the band successful and known. Yes, yes, yes.... That hasn't been up for debate.

Would you say Bruce Dickinson is the original founding singer of Iron Maiden? How about Brian in AC/DC? Kirk in Metallica? The list goes on...



/jarmo

[jemin]

Those other guys that help start the band?  Yeah not so much.  And who really gives a fuck that they were in a band that you would have never heard of because they couldn't give a fuck enough to do what needed to be done.  They are an after note.  And I can't speak for the man but I would think Axl doesn't give a fuck about those other guys either.

Like I've said, never paid a lot of attention to what Tracii Guns has done in his career. I think I heard him on some GN'R tribute albums over a decade ago.
So I have no real interest in what he does.

But, once again, I like to stick to facts. When I see people repeating something that obviously isn't true, I'll point it out.


Some get all worked up when there's a discussion about the band's history. So now people who didn't start the band, are apparently original founders. I guess that also makes every line up of the band original and its members founding members.....  

Yes, I get it, the Appetite line up was the band most of us got to know and love, yes I get that they made the band successful and known. Yes, yes, yes.... That hasn't been up for debate.

Would you say Bruce Dickinson is the original founding singer of Iron Maiden? How about Brian in AC/DC? Kirk in Metallica? The list goes on...



/jarmo

No I get it.  But it's just seems like my two sons arguing about non sense.  "Yes is it" "No it isn't" ect ect ect. 

I think the real problem is that some people would only argue this point to diminish the "classic" line ups influence on the band.  I whole heartedly believe that most people would not take this stance if the "classic" band was still together or if they didn't have the issues that they have (or had if you believe the rumors) with each other.

[C0ma]

Those other guys that help start the band?  Yeah not so much.  And who really gives a fuck that they were in a band that you would have never heard of because they couldn't give a fuck enough to do what needed to be done.  They are an after note.  And I can't speak for the man but I would think Axl doesn't give a fuck about those other guys either.

Like I've said, never paid a lot of attention to what Tracii Guns has done in his career. I think I heard him on some GN'R tribute albums over a decade ago.
So I have no real interest in what he does.

But, once again, I like to stick to facts. When I see people repeating something that obviously isn't true, I'll point it out.


Some get all worked up when there's a discussion about the band's history. So now people who didn't start the band, are apparently original founders. I guess that also makes every line up of the band original and its members founding members.....  

Yes, I get it, the Appetite line up was the band most of us got to know and love, yes I get that they made the band successful and known. Yes, yes, yes.... That hasn't been up for debate.

Would you say Bruce Dickinson is the original founding singer of Iron Maiden? How about Brian in AC/DC? Kirk in Metallica? The list goes on...



/jarmo

Metallica is actually very similar to Guns N Roses even down to the time frame. Lars started the band, first recruiting James Hetfield... shortly after recording a single for a compilation album with a few other musicians James and Lars went out and recruited Dave Mustaine in late 1982 because he had expensive guitar equipment (Lars picked the name Metallica (with a friend) and the compilation single was wrongly listed as Metallica on the album) They play a few months of shows with their first bass player (can't remember his name). They then went to a show at the Whiskey and saw Cliff Burton and began to recruit him. That cemented the lineup, they then played their first show in March of 1983, Dave was kicked out of the band on April 11, 1983. He was then replaced by Kirk on the same day. From here they went on to record 'Metal up your Ass' which later became the first official release 'Kill Em All'...

There are members who were there at the start, fell away within the span of a year, then got replaced with what will always be recognized as 'The Original Lineup'... For Example, bass is Metalica's version of guitar in GNR's story (except not nearly as member rich)... People always compare and contrast Cliff, Jason, and Rob... no one adds Ron McGovney (I had to look him up) to that conversation. It's the same for Tracii, Rob Gardner, and Ole...

The common take on Metallica is Lars and Lars alone 'founded' the band, then he went and found 'players' for that band. A lot of stories, articles, etc... list Axl and Izzy as the founders of the band then they added musicians they had worked with in the past, then within a year (really 2-3 months) settled on the lineup that became the band everyone knows.

Dave Mustaine, Ron McGovney, Tracii Guns, Rob Gardner, and Ole Beich were there first... history proves that, however popular history often forgets that. The exception is probably Dave Mustaine, everyone knows he was there first and that is because Dave went on to a band that is very well known. Where the other 4 are pretty much unknown outside of Tracii and LA Guns which are really not that well known outside of Hollywood. I think that has a lot to do with them being dropped off.

[EmilyGNR]

Those other guys that help start the band?  Yeah not so much.  And who really gives a fuck that they were in a band that you would have never heard of because they couldn't give a fuck enough to do what needed to be done.  They are an after note.  And I can't speak for the man but I would think Axl doesn't give a fuck about those other guys either.

Like I've said, never paid a lot of attention to what Tracii Guns has done in his career. I think I heard him on some GN'R tribute albums over a decade ago.
So I have no real interest in what he does.

But, once again, I like to stick to facts. When I see people repeating something that obviously isn't true, I'll point it out.


Some get all worked up when there's a discussion about the band's history. So now people who didn't start the band, are apparently original founders. I guess that also makes every line up of the band original and its members founding members.....  

Yes, I get it, the Appetite line up was the band most of us got to know and love, yes I get that they made the band successful and known. Yes, yes, yes.... That hasn't been up for debate.

Would you say Bruce Dickinson is the original founding singer of Iron Maiden? How about Brian in AC/DC? Kirk in Metallica? The list goes on...



/jarmo

No I get it.  But it's just seems like my two sons arguing about non sense.  "Yes is it" "No it isn't" ect ect ect. 

I think the real problem is that some people would only argue this point to diminish the "classic" line ups influence on the band.  I whole heartedly believe that most people would not take this stance if the "classic" band was still together or if they didn't have the issues that they have (or had if you believe the rumors) with each other.

No, if the classic lineup were still together the fact would remain that 3 members joined a pre-existing band.

Nobody is trying to diminish or discount a thing, since when is stating the honest truth a "stance"?

Has nothing to do with issues, importance or popularity- it is simply the real history and it is the truth.

[EmilyGNR]

Those other guys that help start the band?  Yeah not so much.  And who really gives a fuck that they were in a band that you would have never heard of because they couldn't give a fuck enough to do what needed to be done.  They are an after note.  And I can't speak for the man but I would think Axl doesn't give a fuck about those other guys either.

Like I've said, never paid a lot of attention to what Tracii Guns has done in his career. I think I heard him on some GN'R tribute albums over a decade ago.
So I have no real interest in what he does.

But, once again, I like to stick to facts. When I see people repeating something that obviously isn't true, I'll point it out.


Some get all worked up when there's a discussion about the band's history. So now people who didn't start the band, are apparently original founders. I guess that also makes every line up of the band original and its members founding members.....  

Yes, I get it, the Appetite line up was the band most of us got to know and love, yes I get that they made the band successful and known. Yes, yes, yes.... That hasn't been up for debate.

Would you say Bruce Dickinson is the original founding singer of Iron Maiden? How about Brian in AC/DC? Kirk in Metallica? The list goes on...



/jarmo

Metallica is actually very similar to Guns N Roses even down to the time frame. Lars started the band, first recruiting James Hetfield... shortly after recording a single for a compilation album with a few other musicians James and Lars went out and recruited Dave Mustaine in late 1982 because he had expensive guitar equipment (Lars picked the name Metallica (with a friend) and the compilation single was wrongly listed as Metallica on the album) They play a few months of shows with their first bass player (can't remember his name). They then went to a show at the Whiskey and saw Cliff Burton and began to recruit him. That cemented the lineup, they then played their first show in March of 1983, Dave was kicked out of the band on April 11, 1983. He was then replaced by Kirk on the same day. From here they went on to record 'Metal up your Ass' which later became the first official release 'Kill Em All'...

There are members who were there at the start, fell away within the span of a year, then got replaced with what will always be recognized as 'The Original Lineup'... For Example, bass is Metalica's version of guitar in GNR's story (except not nearly as member rich)... People always compare and contrast Cliff, Jason, and Rob... no one adds Ron McGovney (I had to look him up) to that conversation. It's the same for Tracii, Rob Gardner, and Ole...

The common take on Metallica is Lars and Lars alone 'founded' the band, then he went and found 'players' for that band. A lot of stories, articles, etc... list Axl and Izzy as the founders of the band then they added musicians they had worked with in the past, then within a year (really 2-3 months) settled on the lineup that became the band everyone knows.

Dave Mustaine, Ron McGovney, Tracii Guns, Rob Gardner, and Ole Beich were there first... history proves that, however popular history often forgets that. The exception is probably Dave Mustaine, everyone knows he was there first and that is because Dave went on to a band that is very well known. Where the other 4 are pretty much unknown outside of Tracii and LA Guns which are really not that well known outside of Hollywood. I think that has a lot to do with them being dropped off.

Whether the original members are popular or not, honestly doesn't change a thing.

The history is the history regardless of who tries to deny it or who gets upset that their favorite lineup weren't the originals.

I prefer actual facts and reality.

[jarmo]

I think the real problem is that some people would only argue this point to diminish the "classic" line ups influence on the band. 

I've pointed out a number of times that I wasn't discrediting anybody's input over the years in GN'R. Everybody who's been in the band has been there for a reason and they contributed something. I wasn't trying to diminish anything.

When you state the fact that the band started with different people than who made it the worldwide success it became, it's not taking anything way from what they did. How could it?



/jarmo

[jemin]

Those other guys that help start the band?  Yeah not so much.  And who really gives a fuck that they were in a band that you would have never heard of because they couldn't give a fuck enough to do what needed to be done.  They are an after note.  And I can't speak for the man but I would think Axl doesn't give a fuck about those other guys either.

Like I've said, never paid a lot of attention to what Tracii Guns has done in his career. I think I heard him on some GN'R tribute albums over a decade ago.
So I have no real interest in what he does.

But, once again, I like to stick to facts. When I see people repeating something that obviously isn't true, I'll point it out.


Some get all worked up when there's a discussion about the band's history. So now people who didn't start the band, are apparently original founders. I guess that also makes every line up of the band original and its members founding members.....  

Yes, I get it, the Appetite line up was the band most of us got to know and love, yes I get that they made the band successful and known. Yes, yes, yes.... That hasn't been up for debate.

Would you say Bruce Dickinson is the original founding singer of Iron Maiden? How about Brian in AC/DC? Kirk in Metallica? The list goes on...



/jarmo

No I get it.  But it's just seems like my two sons arguing about non sense.  "Yes is it" "No it isn't" ect ect ect. 

I think the real problem is that some people would only argue this point to diminish the "classic" line ups influence on the band.  I whole heartedly believe that most people would not take this stance if the "classic" band was still together or if they didn't have the issues that they have (or had if you believe the rumors) with each other.

No, if the classic lineup were still together the fact would remain that 3 members joined a pre-existing band.

Nobody is trying to diminish or discount a thing, since when is stating the honest truth a "stance"?

Has nothing to do with issues, importance or popularity- it is simply the real history and it is the truth.

That is true but would you feel the need to correct someone at every turn or in general just have a pissing match about it?