THEORY - axl saving chi dem 2 songs for possible reunion album???

[JAEBALL]

well, be fair to Bucket and Brain and all the guys who wrote the CD era songs....they have songwriting credits on a Gnr album.

Oh agreed... it was a mistake to compare them to the guys that played two shows with Axl Rose in 1985.

[Princess Leia]

Can someone please post an interview where Tracii, Rob or Ole claimed to be founding members or claimed rights over anything GN?R related stuff?

Obviously not.  But I never got the impression it was about that.

The people that bring it up seem to be attempting to establish some phony relativism.  In other words, if you bring up the sheer volume of personnel changes from 1998 onwards, you are told its same as it ever was.  Why...Slash wasn't even the original guitarist, don'cha know?

While that fact is not in dispute, its application to modern day is a stretch, to put it mildly.  As if someone leaving and being replaced by someone else before any of us have ever heard of them is right on par with Axl replacing the entire band one they become worldwide global rock icons.

Who's buying that rationale?  Not many, I suspect.  Certainly not me.

My point was that because someone was there the first day that doesn?t make that person original or founding member. Tracii and others were there only for a couple of months and shows. They performed mostly covers. For them in those days GN?R was mostly a hobby. Their priority was L.A. Guns and Hollywood Rose. Sure, the Guns part of the name came from Tracii?s last name. However it is funny that as a so called "original" he never asked the others to get rid of the word Guns.

It was after The Hell Tour when things begun to get a bit more serious

On top of that, fast forward to 1996. It seems that Axl never called Tracii, the so called "original member" for a second chance. I think Tracii would?ve joined in a heart beat.  I think it shows Axl didn?t think of them as founders of anything. But hey Axl now needs to replace BBF so he can still call  Tracii "The Original" Guns

Last year, the GG Awards Axl thanked all the line ups. I can?t imagine that Axl was thinking  "yeah those guys Tracii, Ole and Rob. I really need to thank them"  

[D-GenerationX]

Hahahaha

All well said.  Agreed all around.

[jarmo]

I find the whole, “Slash isn’t an original member of Guns n Roses” to be very odd.  When the band was signed by Geffen, who were the members?  That’s it.  Period.  It’s like saying you’re on the basketball team, but really you were there for tryouts and a scrimmage, then got cut.  Sorry, you’re not on the team.  It’s a really poor attempt to inflate Axl’s importance to Guns (we get it, he’s the most important one), and to devalue the contributions of Slash, Duff, and Steven, and (not so) cleverly disguised as “setting the record straight”.

Jarmo, honestly, do you really view Slash, Duff and Steven as replacement players?  Or, it is just an interesting footnote that, prior to the band being signed, Tracii, Rob, and Ole played at a bar with Axl and Izzy for a couple of shows?  Or do we fully give in to semantics and call them the classic lineup?

No, I don't view them as replacement players. I respect what they did in GN'R and their time in the band. But at the same time, I know enough than to get all upset if somebody points out that the band existed before some of them joined.

That's the point.

It's like the same people who get upset about that are the ones who keep making fun of everybody who's been in the band since 1996.

Last year, the GG Awards Axl thanked all the line ups. I can´t imagine that Axl was thinking  "yeah those guys Tracii, Ole and Rob. I really need to thank them"  

And yet, without that particular little event in history when Axl and Tracii merged their bands together, there might not be a Guns N' Roses today.
Think about it. The name didn't appear out of the blue.




And before somebody gets upset again. I'm not saying anything disrespectful about Slash, Duff or Steven. 



/jarmo

[HBK]

I find the whole, ?Slash isn?t an original member of Guns n Roses? to be very odd.  When the band was signed by Geffen, who were the members?  That?s it.  Period.  It?s like saying you?re on the basketball team, but really you were there for tryouts and a scrimmage, then got cut.  Sorry, you?re not on the team.  It?s a really poor attempt to inflate Axl?s importance to Guns (we get it, he?s the most important one), and to devalue the contributions of Slash, Duff, and Steven, and (not so) cleverly disguised as ?setting the record straight?.

Jarmo, honestly, do you really view Slash, Duff and Steven as replacement players?  Or, it is just an interesting footnote that, prior to the band being signed, Tracii, Rob, and Ole played at a bar with Axl and Izzy for a couple of shows?  Or do we fully give in to semantics and call them the classic lineup?

No, I don't view them as replacement players. I respect what they did in GN'R and their time in the band. But at the same time, I know enough than to get all upset if somebody points out that the band existed before some of them joined.

That's the point.

It's like the same people who get upset about that are the ones who keep making fun of everybody who's been in the band since 1996.

* Last year, the GG Awards Axl thanked all the line ups. I can?t imagine that Axl was thinking  "yeah those guys Tracii, Ole and Rob. I really need to thank them"  

And yet, without that particular little event in history when Axl and Tracii merged their bands together, there might not be a Guns N' Roses today.
Think about it. The name didn't appear out of the blue.




** And before somebody gets upset again. I'm not saying anything disrespectful about Slash, Duff or Steven. 



/jarmo

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Traci Guns = GUNS / Axl Rose = ROSES / In Summary: GUNS & ROSES

**

 

[jarmo]

Exactly.

You don't need to have a shrine for Tracii Guns to actually have some kind of respect for the fact that, no matter how insignificant his musical input was in the band, he was there when the band got its name....

Call it a footnote, call it insignificant, silly or whatever the fuck you want.

But it's a fact.




/jarmo

[HBK]

This Is Simply:

""" Thanks To All Line Up's """

Axl Rose 2014

 

[EmilyGNR]

Exactly.

You don't need to have a shrine for Tracii Guns to actually have some kind of respect for the fact that, no matter how insignificant his musical input was in the band, he was there when the band got its name....

Call it a footnote, call it insignificant, silly or whatever the fuck you want.

But it's a fact.




/jarmo

Well said!

I will never know why a certain few get so upset and unreasonably defensive when the actual history of the band is mentioned.   

[GNR2014]

Well, don't forget about New Hollywood Rose -- Axl Rose, Slash, Steven Adler and Steven Darrow.
They pre-date Guns N' Roses by a full year.
They played more gigs AND stayed together longer than the Tracii Guns version of GNR.

[jarmo]

So you're saying they were the originals, then became the new originals, and later on went on to become the regulars?

 

Yeah, they played together in that new Hollywood Rose, but it wasn't GN'R yet....



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

So you're saying they were the originals, then became the new originals, and later on went on to become the regulars?

Hahahahaha

That's awesome.

[jarmo]

That was a Spinal Tap reference....  Excellent movie. I mean, rockumentary.



/jarmo

[sky dog]

Ian Faith: Nigel gave me a drawing that said 18 inches. Now, whether or not he knows the difference between feet and inches is not my problem. I do what I'm told.

David St. Hubbins: But you're not as confused as him are you. I mean, it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel.

[D-GenerationX]

Ian Faith: Nigel gave me a drawing that said 18 inches. Now, whether or not he knows the difference between feet and inches is not my problem. I do what I'm told.

David St. Hubbins: But you're not as confused as him are you. I mean, it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel.

I do not, for one, think the band was down.  I think the problem may have been, that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage, that was in danger of being crushed...by a dwarf.  That tended to understate the hugeness of the object.

[Princess Leia]

There is an old interview posted at the former members section. There our "beloved" original Tracii said he hasn`t seen Axl since 88. On top of the he is bitchin`about how Axl wants things his way or no way.

Hard to imagine Axl was thinking about him at GG when he thanks all the line ups

As someone posted Tracii, Ole and Rob are just a footnote in the GN`R history. Not real founders nor original

 

[jarmo]

As someone posted Tracii, Ole and Rob are just a footnote in the GN`R history. Not real founders nor original

A founder is one who founds something. If you're there the day a band starts, what does that make you?
Keep telling yourself that...

Oh no, Slash and Steven didn't start GN'R. Oh the horror.


Like I've said. I never listened to LA Guns, never paid attention to Tracii Guns. But still, he was there when GN'R started. I'm a GN'R fan, I know that much.

You're a GN'R fan, and here you are telling everybody he's not a founder and that his part in the GN'R history is irrelevant.
Why?

Once again, maybe I have a too low tolerance for bullshit. But what you're saying is bullshit. Sorry.
Stop trying to rewrite history just because you prefer another guitarist over the guy who was there before....



/jarmo

[Princess Leia]

As someone posted Tracii, Ole and Rob are just a footnote in the GN`R history. Not real founders nor original

A founder is one who founds something. If you're there the day a band starts, what does that make you?
Keep telling yourself that...

Oh no, Slash and Steven didn't start GN'R. Oh the horror.



/jarmo

Ok the band had two foundations. One with Tracii, Rob and Ole. And later a second foundation after The Hell Tour. Deal?

 

[jarmo]

The band was founded by a group of people, some of them left before the band got anywhere and were replaced by others who stuck around until the band became a worldwide success.

If this thing bothers you so much, does it bother you that some of the GN'R songs you love, were written before Slash was in the band? Now, obviously the band that eventually recorded the songs put their own stamp on them. But the foundations of the songs were done before. I said the F word there. Sorry. I know it's a sensitive subject.... 



/jarmo

[FunkyMonkey]

This seems like kind of a silly argument.  This...

I find the whole, ?Slash isn?t an original member of Guns n Roses? to be very odd.  When the band was signed by Geffen, who were the members?  That?s it.  Period. 

Maybe it was Stash.

[HBK]

This seems like kind of a silly argument.  This...

I find the whole, ?Slash isn?t an original member of Guns n Roses? to be very odd.  When the band was signed by Geffen, who were the members?  That?s it.  Period. 

Maybe it was Stash.

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