THEORY - axl saving chi dem 2 songs for possible reunion album???

[OscarAxl22]

already discussed Einstein....I could see Axl sending songs to Slash IF IF IF IF there was a reunion on the horizon....that is all I got. Pretty simple really as an album has not been tracklisted and set for release. If you know anything about rock and roll history, then you would realize nothing is final until the music is literally set for release. I don't have time to educate you on rock and roll 101. Sorry.

I didn't ask for you to take time to "educate me" on anything. In fact... its amusing that my initial comment riled you so much,. considering it was aimed at the OP in jest.. and not you. 

As for your opinions on Rock n Roll 101... when you pass that class... let me know. 
 

[ThatGuy]

It's always amusing when someone types "discuss" at the end of their statement...

This isnt a school exam! 

Why is that so amusing? I don't get it...

[The Wight Gunner]

The elephant in the room with this idea is the money, Axl has in the main funded this (based on the assumption that the costs were accrued at the same time as CD) Yet for other former GnR artist(s) to come on board and add to this, they aren't going to fly with a contracted employee status.

[GNR2014]

The elephant in the room with this idea is the money, Axl has in the main funded this (based on the assumption that the costs were accrued at the same time as CD) Yet for other former GnR artist(s) to come on board and add to this, they aren't going to fly with a contracted employee status.

Why not?
Some of Slash's best work was as a contracted employee.
Have you ever heard any of his stuff with Lenny Kravitz or Michael Jackson?

[D-GenerationX]

Why would the other originals be at all interested in this?

Do you guys seriously think they respect any of this?  Guys that toured under their banner, playing their parts?  I know Izzy has played the odd song with them, and Duff even done a few shows.  And both were professional about it.  But do you really think they have much respect for their replacements or the whole operation?

I know there are some that cling like grim death to this narrative this is all a straight line evolution and its all good in the hood.  But is it?  We know damn well that the general public doesn't see it that way, and neither does a sizable portion of our own fanbase.  It reminds me of Republicans that shut down the government, and then try and say its "Obama's shutdown."  Please.  That might play in their echo chamber, but this is real life.

I find myself listening to this stuff about how some reunited band would play CD songs and work on CDs songs to be total fantasy.  I just don't see the interest on their part.

[AxlsMainMan]

Why would the other originals be at all interested in this?

Do you guys seriously think they respect any of this?  Guys that toured under their banner, playing their parts?  I know Izzy has played the odd song with them, and Duff even done a few shows.  And both were professional about it.  But do you really think they have much respect for their replacements or the whole operation?

Why would they tour with the new lineup if they felt "disrespected" by them?

[D-GenerationX]

Why would they tour with the new lineup if they felt "disrespected" by them?

Its more that I question how seriously they take all this.

On some level they made their peace with what Axl wound up doing with their band, but does that mean they are ready to "dive in and find the monkey" with regards to the material a bunch of randos worked on?

You heard CD.  We all did.  Is it their kind of music?  Is Slash going to be all that interested to give his take on a song in the vein of 'Shackler's' or 'Rhiad'? 

[Princess Leia]

Why would the other originals be at all interested in this?

Do you guys seriously think they respect any of this?  Guys that toured under their banner, playing their parts?  I know Izzy has played the odd song with them, and Duff even done a few shows.  And both were professional about it.  But do you really think they have much respect for their replacements or the whole operation?

I know there are some that cling like grim death to this narrative this is all a straight line evolution and its all good in the hood.  But is it?  We know damn well that the general public doesn't see it that way, and neither does a sizable portion of our own fanbase.  It reminds me of Republicans that shut down the government, and then try and say its "Obama's shutdown."  Please.  That might play in their echo chamber, but this is real life.

I find myself listening to this stuff about how some reunited band would play CD songs and work on CDs songs to be total fantasy.  I just don't see the interest on their part.

Let me put it the other way around. What if Axl wants Anastasia and Fall To Pieces in the set list? I don?t see why not. The fans would love it. And I don?t see Slash and Duff being against it.

So if Axl wants them to play TIL and TWAT I guess they can reach an agreement. I don?t need that in a GN?R show. But if they want to do it I?m not against it.

As for the old band recording or performing CD II. Well is there a CD II to begin with? The only full song we have heard is Goin Down. The first thing we need to know is that there is a CD II in the vault or somewhere. And that Axl can?t wait to release it. So far it doesn?t look that way. On top of that we need to know what the deal with both bands is.

We know that DJ, BFF and Tommy are out. But Axl might want to find new guys to replace them. I find it insane at this point but with GN?R anything is possible. Assuming that Axl finds new guys then there is no reunion. In that case all this debate about reunion is a waste of time and energy.

We don?t know what?s gonna happen next. All we can do is just talk about what we would like to see in the future.

[EmilyGNR]

Why would they tour with the new lineup if they felt "disrespected" by them?

Its more that I question how seriously they take all this.

On some level they made their peace with what Axl wound up doing with their band, but does that mean they are ready to "dive in and find the monkey" with regards to the material a bunch of randos worked on?

You heard CD.  We all did.  Is it their kind of music?  Is Slash going to be all that interested to give his take on a song in the vein of 'Shackler's' or 'Rhiad'? 

Ugh-"What Axl wound up doing with their band"??

Slash, Duff and Steven joined a pre-existing band- that is not debatable. Granted the original lineup was not long-lasting nor popular, but that doesn't change the fact that Axl and Izzy were the founding members.

This is all theoretical supposition and speculation, but can we keep at least one foot in reality?

[D-GenerationX]

Let me put it the other way around. What if Axl wants Anastasia and Fall To Pieces in the set list? I don?t see why not. The fans would love it. And I don?t see Slash and Duff being against it.

But is that why any of them are there?  People on stage, people in the crowd...everybody.

If a miracle occurred and Slash did choose to come back, is it because he's been dying to get a crack at 'This I Love'?  I would think his interest to come back would be to play the stuff he did work on and made his bones with.  Not a fill in for a fill in that filled in for him, you know?

[D-GenerationX]

Ugh-"What Axl wound up doing with their band"??

Slash, Duff and Steven joined a pre-existing band- that is not debatable. Granted the original lineup was not long-lasting nor popular, but that doesn't change the fact that Axl and Izzy were the founding members.

This is all theoretical supposition and speculation, but can we keep at least one foot in reality?

That's semantics no one cares about though.  To most of the planet, the AFD line-up is the original band.  Despite how one of us might win a bar bet dropping the names Ole Beich or Rob Gardner.

And I'm approaching it more from the stance this was all their band.  It was the best known thing any of them have ever and will ever do.  It will be the first line in their obituaries.

But, let's be honest, for the past 20 years they have all had to deal with a bastardized version of their band.  And had to field the same old questions about what became of that band.  To which I have to suppose the answer was some variation of a smirk, a head shake, and your basic "You'd have to ask Axl, dude.  I'm sort of out of that now."

I have trouble seeing Slash, Izzy, or Duff come back in the fold and say "OK, first things first, Axl.  Show me what you and Robin were working on before he left."

Why?  Robin is not in the band they recognize and consider themselves a part of.  He was just a guy to them.  Do they care about his input : good, bad, or indifferent?

[Princess Leia]

Let me put it the other way around. What if Axl wants Anastasia and Fall To Pieces in the set list? I don?t see why not. The fans would love it. And I don?t see Slash and Duff being against it.

But is that why any of them are there?  People on stage, people in the crowd...everybody.

If a miracle occurred and Slash did choose to come back, is it because he's been dying to get a crack at 'This I Love'?  I would think his interest to come back would be to play the stuff he did work on and made his bones with.  Not a fill in for a fill in that filled in for him, you know?

Nobody is saying that Slash is desperate to play TIL. But in a potential set list they can mix things. They don?t need to play it every show but from time to me it could happen.

[D-GenerationX]

Nobody is saying that Slash is desperate to play TIL. But in a potential set list they can mix things. They don?t need to play it every show but from time to me it could happen.

Ironically, I think Slash would crush that particular song.  Of all the songs on the album, that was far and away the one I'd have like to have heard Slash on.

[Princess Leia]

Nobody is saying that Slash is desperate to play TIL. But in a potential set list they can mix things. They don?t need to play it every show but from time to me it could happen.

Ironically, I think Slash would crush that particular song.  Of all the songs on the album, that was far and away the one I'd have like to have heard Slash on.

And I think Axl will be amazing in Fall To Pieces, Anastasia or Gotten. It?s just about adding something extra to shows once in a while. If they don?t do it I don?t mind at all. But if they feel like it then why not?

[Ginger King]

Why would the other originals be at all interested in this?

Do you guys seriously think they respect any of this?  Guys that toured under their banner, playing their parts?  I know Izzy has played the odd song with them, and Duff even done a few shows.  And both were professional about it.  But do you really think they have much respect for their replacements or the whole operation?

I know there are some that cling like grim death to this narrative this is all a straight line evolution and its all good in the hood.  But is it?  We know damn well that the general public doesn't see it that way, and neither does a sizable portion of our own fanbase.  It reminds me of Republicans that shut down the government, and then try and say its "Obama's shutdown."  Please.  That might play in their echo chamber, but this is real life.

I find myself listening to this stuff about how some reunited band would play CD songs and work on CDs songs to be total fantasy.  I just don't see the interest on their part.

Let me put it the other way around. What if Axl wants Anastasia and Fall To Pieces in the set list? I don?t see why not. The fans would love it. And I don?t see Slash and Duff being against it.

So if Axl wants them to play TIL and TWAT I guess they can reach an agreement. I don?t need that in a GN?R show. But if they want to do it I?m not against it.

As for the old band recording or performing CD II. Well is there a CD II to begin with? The only full song we have heard is Goin Down. The first thing we need to know is that there is a CD II in the vault or somewhere. And that Axl can?t wait to release it. So far it doesn?t look that way. On top of that we need to know what the deal with both bands is.

We know that DJ, BFF and Tommy are out. But Axl might want to find new guys to replace them. I find it insane at this point but with GN?R anything is possible. Assuming that Axl finds new guys then there is no reunion. In that case all this debate about reunion is a waste of time and energy.

We don?t know what?s gonna happen next. All we can do is just talk about what we would like to see in the future.

I agree with all of this.  It?s called compromise?I know, I know, arguably not Axl?s strong suit (ARTISTIC INTEGRITY) but if he wants some CD songs played (and I think he would) the only natural response from Slash and Co. would ok, but we want a couple of our songs, too.  And let?s be honest, we?re only talking one or two songs anyway.  The most recent lineup was only playing about 4-5 CD songs.  No one?s expecting Shackler?s to come back.

[D-GenerationX]

And I think Axl will be amazing in Fall To Pieces, Anastasia or Gotten. It?s just about adding something extra to shows once in a while. If they don?t do it I don?t mind at all. But if they feel like it then why not?

In place of an AC/DC cover or something?  Yeah, might be cool.

[Lucky]

He also recorded "to good to be true" album in 1997;
but decided never to release it, cus it was 2 good to be true.

it supposedly had Freddy Mercury and Michael Jackson as backin vocals.

[EmilyGNR]

Ugh-"What Axl wound up doing with their band"??

Slash, Duff and Steven joined a pre-existing band- that is not debatable. Granted the original lineup was not long-lasting nor popular, but that doesn't change the fact that Axl and Izzy were the founding members.

This is all theoretical supposition and speculation, but can we keep at least one foot in reality?

That's semantics no one cares about though.  To most of the planet, the AFD line-up is the original band.  Despite how one of us might win a bar bet dropping the names Ole Beich or Rob Gardner.

And I'm approaching it more from the stance this was all their band.  It was the best known thing any of them have ever and will ever do.  It will be the first line in their obituaries.

But, let's be honest, for the past 20 years they have all had to deal with a bastardized version of their band.  And had to field the same old questions about what became of that band.  To which I have to suppose the answer was some variation of a smirk, a head shake, and your basic "You'd have to ask Axl, dude.  I'm sort of out of that now."

I have trouble seeing Slash, Izzy, or Duff come back in the fold and say "OK, first things first, Axl.  Show me what you and Robin were working on before he left."

Why?  Robin is not in the band they recognize and consider themselves a part of.  He was just a guy to them.  Do they care about his input : good, bad, or indifferent?

It isn't semantics, those are facts.

How would you know how they feel about GNR? How would you know how they feel about Robin?

Guess speculation, fantasy scenarios and assumption are de rigueur today.

[D-GenerationX]

It isn't semantics, those are facts.

On paper?  In a vacuum?  Technically? 

Yes, whichever of those phrases you pick to preface your comment that Slash of Duff are not true blue original members, you are correct.

But where does it resonate?  An argument's impact is only as good as its plausibility in the eyes of the folks.

Take one of your other standbys.  How you must be at a Guns N' Roses concert because...why, look right here!  Its says Guns N' Roses on my ticket!!

Paper, vaccum, technically...true.

Accepted by many people?  Not really.  Doesn't make you wrong, but I think its well fair to ask what you are really accomplishing past a "just sayin'" sort of retort that will be rejected by the many.

[jarmo]

Ironically, I think Slash would crush that particular song.  Of all the songs on the album, that was far and away the one I'd have like to have heard Slash on.

And I think Axl will be amazing in Fall To Pieces, Anastasia or Gotten.

It's all fun and games, having hypothetical discussions.

But you forgot one fact. Anything released on Chinese Democracy is by Guns N' Roses.
The other songs are not.




/jarmo