Tommy: I Had To Walk Away And Take Care Of My Stuff, Hopes Axl/Slash Mend Fences

[Gaymo, the Hobbit]

Albums as in plural?

Also Bumble didnt write anything, he just added his part to existing songs. And Ashba didnt do shit.

[norway]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbHQn701zrs thats our boy live

Laughable... I refuse for anyone outside of a very small circle to tell me anything that The Prodigy has done outside of Firestarter and Smack My Bitch Up back in 1996 (and those are rubbish) This is like the Bucket argument... it may have a small cult following, but not Axl, Freddie, Steven Tyler, Robert Plant, etc... I'd put Kid Rock in that list before Maxim

I think he is underated. Axl is AFD, RP is the 70's, Freddie is that Wembley-gig equally as much as Maxim is 1996.

Buckethead had a small cult following, now he is rated as amongst the worlds greatests guitarplayers. The worlds greatests. 

[C0ma]

I'm not trying to present it as a negative, but at what point does one guy and a bunch of very replaceable fill ins become a solo act. I don't think this has to be a label that 'scars'.

It all depends on the act.

Sometimes a solo act has a backing band, and they really have no input on anything.
Other times the backing band is an actual band that's playing with a singer.

With GN'R, the guys in the band did contribute to the albums and live shows in ways most backing bands probably wouldn't.

This whole argument is often used by people who have some kind of "beef" with Axl.

As far as Foo Fighters, they started as Dave Grohl and fill ins, but the fill ins have been there now and contribute material since 1999.

So you're saying it became a band because they were there long enough and wrote material. Is there a rule book?



/jarmo

The Foo Fighters reference is the point I'm making... yes they were there long enough and contributed material. IF Axl adds 2 new (never before in a GnR lineup) guitar players, and Tommy is in fact gone for what ever reason. We are 'generations' removed from anyone (except for Reed and Pitman) who has contributed material that anyone outside Axl's inner circle (and maybe a few random Portuguese hoarders) has heard. That to me screams Solo act and touring band (which isn't a bad thing).

Any of the following coming back into the fold would help 'legitimize' (in my sad mind) the label 'BAND':

Tommy
Robin
Huge (not happening)
Bucket (hope it doesn't happen)
Izzy
Duff
Slash

Anything from the 87-88. 91-93, 01-02, 06-07 era is good... A nearly brand new 15-16 lineup with absolutely no tie to any official release seems like a giant leap backwards to me.


**EDIT** I keep leaving out Richard which upsets me because he is my favorite Modern lineup member...

[norway]

Can be disaponting to be a gnr-fan at times yeah

[C0ma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbHQn701zrs thats our boy live

Laughable... I refuse for anyone outside of a very small circle to tell me anything that The Prodigy has done outside of Firestarter and Smack My Bitch Up back in 1996 (and those are rubbish) This is like the Bucket argument... it may have a small cult following, but not Axl, Freddie, Steven Tyler, Robert Plant, etc... I'd put Kid Rock in that list before Maxim

I think he is underated. Axl is AFD, RP is the 70's, Freddie is that Wembley-gig equally as much as Maxim is 1996.

Buckethead had a small cult following, now he is rated as amongst the worlds greatests guitarplayers. The worlds greatests. 

Granted they are bigger in Europe than they ever were in the US (which is similar to me just not getting Robbie Williams, because he sort of existed here for like 9 months in 2001ish)... BUT I have seen them (The Prodigy) perform live and honestly Maxim isn't even who I thought he was, I thought you were talking about Keith Flint... I wouldn't even consider Maxim a front man that you would compare to Axl, Tyler, Plant, etc... I would more closely compare him to Flava Flav and Keith to Chuck D.

[pilferk]

I'm not trying to present it as a negative, but at what point does one guy and a bunch of very replaceable fill ins become a solo act. I don't think this has to be a label that 'scars'.

It all depends on the act.

Sometimes a solo act has a backing band, and they really have no input on anything.
Other times the backing band is an actual band that's playing with a singer.

With GN'R, the guys in the band did contribute to the albums and live shows in ways most backing bands probably wouldn't.

This whole argument is often used by people who have some kind of "beef" with Axl.

As far as Foo Fighters, they started as Dave Grohl and fill ins, but the fill ins have been there now and contribute material since 1999.

So you're saying it became a band because they were there long enough and wrote material. Is there a rule book?



/jarmo

The Foo Fighters reference is the point I'm making... yes they were there long enough and contributed material. IF Axl adds 2 new (never before in a GnR lineup) guitar players, and Tommy is in fact gone for what ever reason. We are 'generations' removed from anyone (except for Reed and Pitman) who has contributed material that anyone outside Axl's inner circle (and maybe a few random Portuguese hoarders) has heard. That to me screams Solo act and touring band (which isn't a bad thing).

Any of the following coming back into the fold would help 'legitimize' (in my sad mind) the label 'BAND':

Tommy
Robin
Huge (not happening)
Bucket (hope it doesn't happen)
Izzy
Duff
Slash

Anything from the 87-88. 91-93, 01-02, 06-07 era is good... A nearly brand new 15-16 lineup with absolutely no tie to any official release seems like a giant leap backwards to me.


**EDIT** I keep leaving out Richard which upsets me because he is my favorite Modern lineup member...

If you and I own a table building company, and we build tables together...by hand...and then you leave the company...does that mean I built those tables alone?

No, of course not.  

Future tables...I might build alone, or with someone else...but your leaving doesn't change the fact that we built those initial tables together.  

And when I sell those tables we made, eventually, when I choose to, I'm still not the sole creator of those tables. Am I?

And, until I actually MAKE tables on my own, with nobody else's input...I'm not a "solo table maker".  Because it's just as likely I take on a new partner, or partners, to help me create tables. They might even help me modify some of the existing tables to make them different/better (which still doesn't remove your contribution to the creative process).

Also, to address the "BBF/DJ did nothing" stuff.  We don't know that.  We have comments from both people saying otherwise.  They could very well have contributed to future material, or not.  We can't really assume either way.

GnR is "in flux" right now, from what we know.  That doesn't mean they're not a band. It just means we don't know what form that band is going to take as we go forward.

[DeN]

Albums as in plural?

Also Bumble didnt write anything, he just added his part to existing songs. And Ashba didnt do shit.

so you're basically saying Bumble didn't write his own parts?

complete nonsense.

[jarmo]

The Foo Fighters reference is the point I'm making... yes they were there long enough and contributed material. IF Axl adds 2 new (never before in a GnR lineup) guitar players, and Tommy is in fact gone for what ever reason. We are 'generations' removed from anyone (except for Reed and Pitman) who has contributed material that anyone outside Axl's inner circle (and maybe a few random Portuguese hoarders) has heard. That to me screams Solo act and touring band (which isn't a bad thing).

Touring band? Band.

Seriously. This is getting ridiculous.

When somebody quits a band, a team or a company, doesn't mean those things cease to exist.




/jarmo

[Ginger King]

Albums as in plural?

Also Bumble didnt write anything, he just added his part to existing songs. And Ashba didnt do shit.

so you're basically saying Bumble didn't write his own parts?

complete nonsense.

And where would one find Bumble's writing credits?

[JAEBALL]

We would never have these fights if everybody just came out and acknowledged that they do not care who plays the parts..if Axl is singing.. then its a BAND and it's called Guns N Roses.

[JAEBALL]

I'm getting antsy... Lets go Axl !

Slash, Duff, Richard, Dizzy , Pick ur favorite drummer and have Izzy and Steven come out for an encore once in a while ...

and release the vault

Everybody wins!

[CherryGarcia]

Great. The old "it's not a band" discussion.

Because people quit and were replaced, it stopped being a band?

The Foo Fighters isn't a band? The Ramones weren't a band?
Bon Jovi (yuck) isn't a band?


Compare it to a family, team or a company. People divorce, get new partners but it doesn't mean they're not a family.... Same with teams and companies.




/jarmo

If a family completely changes members, but keeps the same legal name, is it still the same family?
If a man divorces his wife and abandons his kids, and moves in with another woman and her kids and marries her, the family will have the same last name, but is it the same family? Or a different family which has the same name?

What would you say separates a band from a solo project?

[McGann]

Do they celebrate
Holidays as family?
Share the same last name?

Are restaurant seats
Reserved under their last name?
Then they're family.

Not the same version,
But family nonetheless
And same name applies.

Splash

/Mike

[damnthehaters]

Great. The old "it's not a band" discussion.

Because people quit and were replaced, it stopped being a band?

The Foo Fighters isn't a band? The Ramones weren't a band?
Bon Jovi (yuck) isn't a band?


Compare it to a family, team or a company. People divorce, get new partners but it doesn't mean they're not a family.... Same with teams and companies.




/jarmo

If a family completely changes members, but keeps the same legal name, is it still the same family?
If a man divorces his wife and abandons his kids, and moves in with another woman and her kids and marries her, the family will have the same last name, but is it the same family? Or a different family which has the same name?

What would you say separates a band from a solo project?

No, not the SAME family.....but indeed still a family.  GNR isn't the same band, but STILL a band.

[EmilyGNR]

Great. The old "it's not a band" discussion.

Because people quit and were replaced, it stopped being a band?

The Foo Fighters isn't a band? The Ramones weren't a band?
Bon Jovi (yuck) isn't a band?


Compare it to a family, team or a company. People divorce, get new partners but it doesn't mean they're not a family.... Same with teams and companies.




/jarmo

If a family completely changes members, but keeps the same legal name, is it still the same family?
If a man divorces his wife and abandons his kids, and moves in with another woman and her kids and marries her, the family will have the same last name, but is it the same family? Or a different family which has the same name?

What would you say separates a band from a solo project?

No, not the SAME family.....but indeed still a family.  GNR isn't the same band, but STILL a band.

Exactly- definitely a band. Can't believe some choose to try and debate this fact.

[DeN]

first time I heard the "GNR isn't the same band" it was in 1992 after the Vincennes
show here in Paris from a guy who saw them live some years before.

I suppose there will always that kind of guy.

[jarmo]

first time I heard the "GNR isn't the same band" it was in 1992 after the Vincennes
show here in Paris from a guy who saw them live some years before.

I suppose there will always that kind of guy.

Yeah.

Isn't it exciting?

We can do this again in a few weeks! 





/jarmo

[draguns]

It hasn't been a band since Duff left. Sorry, but I consider this to be an Axl Rose solo project until the reunion happens. Considering this as an Axl Rose solo project is fine.   

[GnR-NOW]

Tommy and Chris have been in the band since 1998, which is 17 years. Richard has been in the band since 2002, which is 13 years. Frank has been in the band since 2006, which is 9 years. Guys have been around for a while.

[DeN]

first time I heard the "GNR isn't the same band" it was in 1992 after the Vincennes
show here in Paris from a guy who saw them live some years before.

I suppose there will always that kind of guy.

Yeah.

Isn't it exciting?

We can do this again in a few weeks! 





/jarmo

your favorite GNR song must be Patience...