Tommy Stinson article - September 2, 2015

[chineseblues]

Thanks for that Jarmo, listening now!

[Lucky]

I cant believe I'm supposed to be the "grain of salt" ... but read what Ashba said in april:

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/d-j-ashba-on-guns-n-roses-current-status-im-looking-at-this-more-as-a-hiatus-than-the-end/

"I've got his back whenever he needs me," Ashba tells the Las Vegas Sun. "Ever since I joined GN'R six years ago, it's almost been nonstop touring. But we've kind of talked of more touring, and I'm looking at this more as a hiatus than the end."

GUNS N' ROSES keyboardist Dizzy Reed told Billboard.com about the breakup and retirement rumors: "You know, so much of that crap gets out there, you can't believe any of it. At this point, having been in the band for so long, nothing surprises me. When I hear things like that, I immediately dismiss them until I hear further. I'm never really concerned enough to even ask where it came from, or why, because if it's that important, I'll be getting a phone call."

so its obvious Axl wanted to take a long break...
and thats what they are doing.
No news just means he's doing what he wanted to do... which is "not do anything". and that explains Stinson not knowing anything... because there's nothing to know.

All the shit flying lately probably just made things worse... hell... Im annoyed by unsubstantiated rumors. I can imagine how pissed of Axl is. (wouldnt be suprised if he got mad @ Slash cus of it).

anyways. When the dude is ready, he'll talk. Just let him enjoy him self; because by the looks of it... he was just procrastinating. And all the conspiracy theories are false; since he's been probably doing nothing but chilin and enjoying fruits of his labour.

there's no grand scheme, or plan. Just random tibits that are circumstantial, and do not form anything tangible.

And definitely nobody has been planing a tour in the past few months. People were on vacations, beaches etc. enjoying summer.... not thinkin about work, and going on meetings while 40C.

let Axl enjoy his life without anyone putting pressure on him.

cant you be cool supporting fans that say...
"go Axl... drink a pina colada for us.., have fun... get a girfriend... be happy.... chill..dont mind us...dont worry bout album... u'll get to it eventually and it'll rock... cus u da man!"... instead... all we do is "nag...nag...nag... I want album... omg.. no news 2 weeks... FFFFFFF "

basically... I'd rather see axl not doing anything for 10 years... and then release an album in a year... than
see him get raped by everybody for 10 years of recording.


CD gave him lot of pressure. Now its time for him to chill. I hope next album will be one gigant "I had a great time compilation" without a single mention of "blues", "sorry", "rain", ...


have a happy life Axl :*

[Ginger King]

I cant believe I'm supposed to be the "grain of salt" ... but read what Ashba said in april:

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/d-j-ashba-on-guns-n-roses-current-status-im-looking-at-this-more-as-a-hiatus-than-the-end/

"I've got his back whenever he needs me," Ashba tells the Las Vegas Sun. "Ever since I joined GN'R six years ago, it's almost been nonstop touring. But we've kind of talked of more touring, and I'm looking at this more as a hiatus than the end."

GUNS N' ROSES keyboardist Dizzy Reed told Billboard.com about the breakup and retirement rumors: "You know, so much of that crap gets out there, you can't believe any of it. At this point, having been in the band for so long, nothing surprises me. When I hear things like that, I immediately dismiss them until I hear further. I'm never really concerned enough to even ask where it came from, or why, because if it's that important, I'll be getting a phone call."

so its obvious Axl wanted to take a long break...
and thats what they are doing.
No news just means he's doing what he wanted to do... which is "not do anything".

and we cant make any conclusion based on it... except that he'll let us know when he's ready.
All the shit flying lately probably just made things worse... hell... Im annoyed by unsubstantiated rumors. I can imagine how pissed of he is. (wouldnt be suprised if he got mad @ Slash cus of it).


anyways. When the dude is ready, he'll talk. Just let him enjoy him self; because by the looks of it... he was just procrastinating. And all the conspiracy theories are false; since he's been probably doing nothing but chilin and enjoying fruits of his labour.

there's no grand scheme, or plan. Just random tibits that are circumstantial, and do not form anything tangible.

And definitely nobody has been planing a tour in the past few months. People were on vacations, beaches etc. enjoying summer.... not thinkin about work, and going on meetings while 40C.

But is it so obvious when the man himself said that, after the Vegas tour, "we're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard."  To me, that doesn't project a long period of inactivity.

[Lucky]

well, obviously they didnt look 2 long.
since then
2 guitar players left
and 3 ppl dont know whats going on with the band
only ppl that dont comment are Axl and Pittman, and I have a feeling that Pittman doesnt know either

so my guess is based on inactivity... that nothing is going on. and wont for a while.
And past experience teaches us, that there's never a "5 year grand master plan"... and that most decisions are made less than few months in advance.

1) so ... if there's any decision, its "what they'll do in November at the farthest" ....def. not next year.
2) also, since none of the band members knows anything happening... its safe to conclude that nothing will happen by november either.


so.
1) after nov.2015         nothing happening  (based on Axl not planing anything more than 2 months in advance)
2) sept. + 2 months     nothing happening (based on band members not knowing anything - and they'd need to know that much in advanced)

safe to assume, nothing is happening.


also, before anything happens, we'd need to get rumors about the next guitar player auditions(and slash does not count).... just like we had a bunch of those when finck or buckethead left.
Such as Satriani, Michael Angelo, John 5,....


P.S. I dont wanna go there... but while at it.. does any1 know if the touring/DVDs proved to be lucrative financial wise? and if GNR still has a contract with any publishing company (if so are the terms "out there")

because if no $... no point in doing or expecting anything. especially when so many musicians on a payroll.

remember the money CD costed... in 2001 rumoured number was 14 million
this time maybe Axl tried to save some money and not keep em on contract in the period of inactivity, especially if its coming out of his own pocket.

Would explain resignation by some, or lack of commitment by others.

P.S. P.S. I Havent been active long time... but did anyone try talking to Baz? That guy always knew lot of interesting tibits and I miss that giant heart

[jarmo]

Your theory is interesting, but somewhat flawed.

Some things you can't plan a few months in advance.
For example, if you get a big festival booking. Those aren't done a few months ahead. You can announce a tour a few months in advance, but that doesn't mean the groundwork hasn't been done earlier.

Also, you can plan things in advance, not necessarily set in stone, but still plans. In GN'R's case, maybe the plan was to take 2015 off since everybody started doing their things after Las Vegas, and then regroup in 2016?




/jarmo

[Ginger King]

Your theory is interesting, but somewhat flawed.

Some things you can't plan a few months in advance.
For example, if you get a big festival booking. Those aren't done a few months ahead. You can announce a tour a few months in advance, but that doesn't mean the groundwork hasn't been done earlier.

Also, you can plan things in advance, not necessarily set in stone, but still plans. In GN'R's case, maybe the plan was to take 2015 off since everybody started doing their things after Las Vegas, and then regroup in 2016?

/jarmo

You mean take the rest of 2014 and 2015 off, right?  But even that theory is somewhat flawed because you had members (DJ and maybe others) saying in the fall of 2014 that big things were planned for 2015. 

It seems pretty clear to me that nobody really knows what?s going on, there weren?t ever any real ?plans?, and that likely led to the recent departures. 

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer...I'm still kind of pissed about the Giants game last night.

[jarmo]

You're right. Plans did change.

But maybe whatever that was planned for 2015 got pushed back? Or do you think those plans were scrapped and new ones were made?




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer...I'm still kind of pissed about the Giants game last night.

Man, what the hell was that?  Talk about mismanagement.

[Ginger King]

You're right. Plans did change.

But maybe whatever that was planned for 2015 got pushed back? Or do you think those plans were scrapped and new ones were made?


/jarmo

It could be that plans were just pushed back?but with BBF, DJ (and Tommy, I guess) now out of the picture, my guess would be that if those plans involved them things would have to be scrapped and start over. 

I still don?t see how any of the recent departures, reunion rumors, etc., affect the ability of CDII being released.  It?s already recorded so it?s not like people need to be adding their parts.  I know some people think that, if there was a reunion of the classic lineup, that would scrap any release plans for CDII.  I don?t see it that way.  I view tour and new music as two separate things.  Sure, in a normal scenario, you release a new album and then tour behind it.  But any reunion will inevitably focus on the past.  IMO, they could release CDII, tour with a reunion and not have to support CDII (or CD, really).  Also, since when does GnR adhere to industry norms?  Just my 2 cents.

[Ginger King]

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer...I'm still kind of pissed about the Giants game last night.

Man, what the hell was that?  Talk about mismanagement.

Dude, I can't even really talk about it.  Just a complete and total breakdown.  Inept clock management and horrible defense that last 90 seconds.  Still hard to swallow.

[AxlsMainMan]

I think any of these scenarios could work:

1) Reunion tour in support of the back catalogue

2) Reunion tour where Slash, Duff, etc. have contributed parts to CDII. It could be really cool to hear Robin and Slash or Buckethead and Slash exchange solos the way Robin and Buckethead did on the CD title-track. Plus the old guys could contribute other ideas here and there that Axl might think could benefit the songs.

3) Reunion tour in support of a brand new album recorded by the classic lineup or a hybrid of the current and classic lineup.

4) Reunion tour in support of both a brand new album recorded by the classic lineup or a hybrid of the current and classic lineup and CDII with input from the classic lineup or left as it is. They could release both albums on the same
day just like UYI and tour in support of both.

[pilferk]

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer...I'm still kind of pissed about the Giants game last night.

Man, what the hell was that?  Talk about mismanagement.

Both Coughlin and Eli agree.  They both say they should have called the run, there.

Cost them a W, but...live and learn, I guess.

OK, back to your regularly scheduled GnR talk. Football thread is in fun and games.

[jarmo]

It could be that plans were just pushed back?but with BBF, DJ (and Tommy, I guess) now out of the picture, my guess would be that if those plans involved them things would have to be scrapped and start over. 

True. But it depends what the plans were and how involved those guys were supposed to be.
For example, the recordings were mostly done already.

Bumblefoot was hinting about quitting during the spring of 2014 already. Whatever plans were made, probably took that into account don't you think?




/jarmo

[JAEBALL]

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer...I'm still kind of pissed about the Giants game last night.

Man, what the hell was that?  Talk about mismanagement.

Dude, I can't even really talk about it.  Just a complete and total breakdown.  Inept clock management and horrible defense that last 90 seconds.  Still hard to swallow.

I'm right with you Ginger... last night was one of the worst losses I can remember. It hurts bad today..

As for Axl... I'm hoping that in short time they announce this album... I'm really going to be bummed hardcore if there's GNR 5.0 without a record in tow, and I really just can't believe Axl Slash Izzy and Duff will tour together... It is still ill believe it when I see it for me.

On a side note... i think it's cool as hell that Duff and Matt are playing with Joe Perry , Johnny Depp and Alice Cooper.

[sky dog]

How Bout Them Cowboys!!

[JAEBALL]

How Bout Them Cowboys!!

Stop trolling...or i'll go on a rant on how overrated the Replacements are 

[OscarAxl22]

I cant believe I'm supposed to be the "grain of salt" ... but read what Ashba said in april:

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/d-j-ashba-on-guns-n-roses-current-status-im-looking-at-this-more-as-a-hiatus-than-the-end/

"I've got his back whenever he needs me," Ashba tells the Las Vegas Sun. "Ever since I joined GN'R six years ago, it's almost been nonstop touring. But we've kind of talked of more touring, and I'm looking at this more as a hiatus than the end."

GUNS N' ROSES keyboardist Dizzy Reed told Billboard.com about the breakup and retirement rumors: "You know, so much of that crap gets out there, you can't believe any of it. At this point, having been in the band for so long, nothing surprises me. When I hear things like that, I immediately dismiss them until I hear further. I'm never really concerned enough to even ask where it came from, or why, because if it's that important, I'll be getting a phone call."

so its obvious Axl wanted to take a long break...
and thats what they are doing.
No news just means he's doing what he wanted to do... which is "not do anything". and that explains Stinson not knowing anything... because there's nothing to know.

All the shit flying lately probably just made things worse... hell... Im annoyed by unsubstantiated rumors. I can imagine how pissed of Axl is. (wouldnt be suprised if he got mad @ Slash cus of it).

anyways. When the dude is ready, he'll talk. Just let him enjoy him self; because by the looks of it... he was just procrastinating. And all the conspiracy theories are false; since he's been probably doing nothing but chilin and enjoying fruits of his labour.

there's no grand scheme, or plan. Just random tibits that are circumstantial, and do not form anything tangible.

And definitely nobody has been planing a tour in the past few months. People were on vacations, beaches etc. enjoying summer.... not thinkin about work, and going on meetings while 40C.

let Axl enjoy his life without anyone putting pressure on him.

cant you be cool supporting fans that say...
"go Axl... drink a pina colada for us.., have fun... get a girfriend... be happy.... chill..dont mind us...dont worry bout album... u'll get to it eventually and it'll rock... cus u da man!"... instead... all we do is "nag...nag...nag... I want album... omg.. no news 2 weeks... FFFFFFF "

basically... I'd rather see axl not doing anything for 10 years... and then release an album in a year... than
see him get raped by everybody for 10 years of recording.


CD gave him lot of pressure. Now its time for him to chill. I hope next album will be one gigant "I had a great time compilation" without a single mention of "blues", "sorry", "rain", ...


have a happy life Axl :*

You do realise that if Axl made a statement of his intentions that the speculation (or a large part of it) would disappear??? How you can justify/imagine how pissed off Axl is because of speculation from fans and media is actually beyond comprehension when he could lay it to rest in a paragraph. 

and it doesnt even have to be anything regarding specific plans.. hows about.. guys... im going on holiday for 12 months... taking a rest to work on the tan and drink budweisers.. catchya in 12 months.

At least that would end a fair proportion of the speculation about not hearing from him AT ALL.... hell.. id take a break from this site if i knew nothing was happening for a year. Instead.. he lets the speculation roll on... which is fine.. but to justify how u can imagine how pissed he is at speculation when he doesnt even put out a simple statement to clear anything up... well.. u know.. thats kinda a silly argument really.

but anyway....
 

[Lucky]

Your theory is interesting, but somewhat flawed.

Some things you can't plan a few months in advance.
For example, if you get a big festival booking. Those aren't done a few months ahead. You can announce a tour a few months in advance, but that doesn't mean the groundwork hasn't been done earlier.

Also, you can plan things in advance, not necessarily set in stone, but still plans. In GN'R's case, maybe the plan was to take 2015 off since everybody started doing their things after Las Vegas, and then regroup in 2016?




/jarmo

I was talking "ballpark" values, and about generic GNR timeline(I know that some things can be planned way in advanced. but they usually leak 4+ months in advance)
As for festivals... the season is over for 2015 and Y... australia and south america are a possibility... but if we dont hear about those in 2 months; I doubt em; since their festival season starts in January. So any headliners should be known by november (if not already).
Also "newyear gigs" are a possibilty... but without a guitar player? - doubt it (however, due to someone said that band will release a statement "sooner than later"... optimistic/romantic/crazy people can hope for a  "Axl-Slash new year 1 day reunion" -I however dont.

As what they planned in 2014... I dont think it actually matters; since the plans obviously had to change a few times since then (BBF leaving, and now DJ).
and if I really wanted to be realistic... I think that Ashba departure can be viewed as a "rollback" to 2014.
Whatever progress "mighthave" happened in in the past year on the album.. is out the window now (and we're back where we were in 2013 in that regard - meaning at least 2 years away.

of course, I'd be happiest if he came online tomorrow, said he'll do a 3 months Croatian tour with a new album called "Luck(y)" and do bycicle rides with me every after noon. but I wouldnt bet on it

You do realise that if Axl made a statement of his intentions that the speculation (or a large part of it) would disappear??? How you can justify/imagine how pissed off Axl is because of speculation from fans and media is actually beyond comprehension when he could lay it to rest in a paragraph. 

and it doesnt even have to be anything regarding specific plans.. hows about.. guys... im going on holiday for 12 months... taking a rest to work on the tan and drink budweisers.. catchya in 12 months.

lol. that's what I wondered 10 years ago. its because he's not that crazy about us as we are for him.
I dont think he thinks he owes us anything (and he doesnt).
Also, if he made a precedent by saying something like that... we'd expect him to be on twitter 24/7 denouncing any crap that comes to our/media mind.
Some of his statements have been used for worse, rather then good... so he's not talking untill his ready. His silence for the past 20 years mostly ment "Fuck off... leave me alone. When I want to talk to you; I'll talk to you;
best wishes/love -Axl"

At least that would end a fair proportion of the speculation about not hearing from him AT ALL.... hell.. id take a break from this site if i knew nothing was happening for a year. Instead.. he lets the speculation roll on... which is fine.. but to justify how u can imagine how pissed he is at speculation when he doesnt even put out a simple statement to clear anything up... well.. u know.. thats kinda a silly argument really.
but anyway.... 

maybe he doesnt even know that we worry? And why would he care? Its not like its his fault we worry?
Maybe he has a good time... happy life...going out with a girfriend... playin Xbox with friends... learning to play bowling...turned off all internet in the house cus he knows only bad things come out of it (and he wouldnt be wrong; would you like to read crap about you every day?)


1 more thin; Us fans are like "crazy ex girfriend"
best thing you can do is

a) Not talk to her
b) if she calls; not answer
c) prettend she's not there


and Axl's doing a hell of a good job at following those points so hopefully he's happy without us

P.S. I get angry if I get another fkin carma point for addin humor
and 1 more thing for you insiders,jarmo, etc;
Sm1 pls ask Axl whats his view on Ayn Rand (I read the book cus of "Atlas Shrugged" rumor)
basically changed my life.


P.S. P.S. if u wanna know more why Axl doesnt talk much;
read this letter by him. (srry for offsite link... but 2 lazy to look around)
http://www.newgnr.com/articles/axlletter121506.html

[jazjme]

  I found how Tommy mentions Frank in a Facebook post. "It was a great week of exhibits with Steve Selvidge from The Maintain Regular and Frank Ferrer from Weapons N' Roses, as well as Catherine Popper and Tony Kieraldo.

[jarmo]

I was talking "ballpark" values, and about generic GNR timeline(I know that some things can be planned way in advanced. but they usually leak 4+ months in advance)
As for festivals... the season is over for 2015 and Y... australia and south america are a possibility... but if we dont hear about those in 2 months; I doubt em; since their festival season starts in January. So any headliners should be known by november (if not already).

Yes, festival headliners are usually announced earlier than "normal" gigs.

As what they planned in 2014... I dont think it actually matters; since the plans obviously had to change a few times since then (BBF leaving, and now DJ).
and if I really wanted to be realistic... I think that Ashba departure can be viewed as a "rollback" to 2014.
Whatever progress "mighthave" happened in in the past year on the album.. is out the window now (and we're back where we were in 2013 in that regard - meaning at least 2 years away.

It all depends on what part those people played in the plans.






/jarmo