Tommy Stinson article - September 2, 2015

[EmilyGNR]

He's saying he's reached out, a year later he doesn't know what is going on.  If he were 100% on board he wouldn't have to think about it.

Same frustrations most of the band members have had at some point.

I'm only discussing how you derived frustration from what he said.

How do you know 'most' of the band members have been frustrated? You seem to be reading a lot into this that isn't actually there.

[ITARocker]

- Bumblefoot left because things hadn't worked out from the beginning
- DJ, who was the more enthusiastic towards axl and gnr, left in a friendly way, but it was really like a bolt from the blue
- Stinson's contract expired and he doesn't know what is going to happen and it seems that he really doesn't care.

Guys, i think it's very simple...it's over.

A some kind of reunion will happen, it's the only reasonable thing at this point.

[Gaymo, the Hobbit]

Fernando saying that there will be news in a couple months has to mean that its probably not over and things are gonna happen.
If it was over, then they could also say it now.

But this all shows how emberassing guns' PR is. its a shame

[pilferk]

Now the hiatus wasn't planned?

No, that's not what I meant (or said).

DEFINITIVELY planned.  As in...the details of sed hiatus.  As in, was there a general "be ready for it to end at some specific point". Or a general idea of how long it might last, and what/how long they could make other plans for.

Or maybe was it more unplanned/open ended.  Like...we got nothing going on. I'll call ya when/if we do. Or not.

Yeah.  Richard didn't know what was going on either until he made headlines saying so.  Maybe Tommy has gotten a call now as well...

GUNS N' ROSES Guitarist RICHARD FORTUS Says Band's Current Status Is 'Pretty Up In The Air'

July 21, 2015

"The last I heard they wanted to finish up the recordings that we have and put them out next year and start touring. But it has been a while since I've heard from anybody in that camp as far as management or Axl. So I really don't know."

July 27, 2015

RF: Yeah, there are no immediate plans for Guns N? Roses. I have heard from our management that next year we?re going to be working. I?m hoping we?ll have an album out next year. That would be great! Then we are supposed to be doing some touring. Until then, I?m staying focused on The Dead Daisies!

So, at some point, in that week...Richard had news.

And Tommy didn't. The guy who was called the General, and who was the de facto musical director of the band.

So your supposition is you have to raise hell to get a call back.

Mine is only those that needed to get a call back, got one.

I don't see either one as being any more, or less, likely than the other, actually.  And yours takes an additional assumption (the assumption that the reason Richard got the call was his interview, and not something else).

You keep saying "Tommy is out".  If he didn't quit, and he didn't walk away.  Then Axl has let Tommy go?  And the only reason I see for him doing that would be to make way for Duff?

I keep saying "I think Tommy is out". There is a difference.

As for Axl letting Tommy go? Nope. As I explained earlier.

Let go means Axl took action, and fired him

A contract expiration doesn't do that. It's just an ending. No action. It leaves both parties free. No one walks away. No one quits. No one is fired. No one is "shirking their duties", etc.

You can make the jump to Duff if you want.  I can see why you might.  But they are really separate discussions.  There could be another reason (or 5 or 12) entirely, that we just don't know.  Or no real good reason.

[D-GenerationX]

Fernando saying that there will be news in a couple months has to mean that its probably not over and things are gonna happen.
If it was over, then they could also say it now.

But this all shows how emberassing guns' PR is. its a shame

Would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Anyone can have a bad episode or something they didn't handle well.  That's life.

Where is their big success story?  What's the P.R. operation they knocked out of the park.  Letting Ron mouth off for a year?  Good work by them?

[EmilyGNR]

Fernando saying that there will be news in a couple months has to mean that its probably not over and things are gonna happen.
If it was over, then they could also say it now.

But this all shows how emberassing guns' PR is. its a shame

Would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Anyone can have a bad episode or something they didn't handle well.  That's life.

Where is their big success story?  What's the P.R. operation they knocked out of the park.  Letting Ron mouth off for a year?  Good work by them?

Hindsight is 20/20, I think Ron's behavior reflects worse on him than anyone else.

There have been multiple successful tours, a TV interview, and a release of a live show- all those are signs of success imo.

[jarmo]

Hindsight is 20/20, I think Ron's behavior reflects worse on him than anyone else.

Can't argue with that.
It was a one sided campaign.

There have been multiple successful tours, a TV interview, and a release of a live show- all those are signs of success imo.

Correctamundo.

But try telling that to those who oppose the band's management. According to them, that's just them "doing their job". But you won't ever see those people give them any credit for it.





/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

There have been multiple successful tours, a TV interview, and a release of a live show- all those are signs of success imo.

The Kimmel thing?  That was smart.  It drummed up legit interest. 

I had people texting me and reaching out on FB to see if it was legit, because they thought it was going to be a bit Jimmy was doing.

[FunkyMonkey]

So your supposition is you have to raise hell to get a call back.

Looks like it doesn't hurt.

Let go means Axl took action, and fired him

A contract expiration doesn't do that. It's just an ending. No action. It leaves both parties free. No one walks away. No one quits. No one is fired. No one is "shirking their duties", etc.

There doesn't seem to be a lot of difference in choosing not to renew someone's contract, and letting them go.

[pilferk]

So your supposition is you have to raise hell to get a call back.

Looks like it doesn't hurt.

Or its just coincidence.

Let go means Axl took action, and fired him

A contract expiration doesn't do that. It's just an ending. No action. It leaves both parties free. No one walks away. No one quits. No one is fired. No one is "shirking their duties", etc.

There doesn't seem to be a lot of difference in choosing not to renew someone's contract, and letting them go.

There is a huge difference.

One takes action.

One takes nothing, and is a natural, previously defined, end that both people knew about, and agreed upon, when the contract was signed.

Think free agency in sports vs being cut by the team.

[FunkyMonkey]

One takes nothing, and is a natural, previously defined, end that both people knew about, and agreed upon, when the contract was signed.

But that doesn't sound anything like what Tommy is describing.

[pilferk]

One takes nothing, and is a natural, previously defined, end that both people knew about, and agreed upon, when the contract was signed.

But that doesn't sound anything like what Tommy is describing.

It sounds exactly like it, to me.

[FunkyMonkey]

One takes nothing, and is a natural, previously defined, end that both people knew about, and agreed upon, when the contract was signed.

But that doesn't sound anything like what Tommy is describing.

It sounds exactly like it, to me.

Tommy Stinson: "I really have no idea what?s going on"

[pilferk]

One takes nothing, and is a natural, previously defined, end that both people knew about, and agreed upon, when the contract was signed.

But that doesn't sound anything like what Tommy is describing.

It sounds exactly like it, to me.

Tommy Stinson: "I really have no idea what?s going on"

I'm not sure why you think that refutes what i wrote.

That quote is, I think, in relation  to the band and its future plans to tour and/or release music. Which would be expected if he weren't an active member.

Not in relation to his contract status/membership. The "clarification" that follows, to help explain why he might not know, is the piece relating to his membership.

If you are reading that quote as a comment on his membership status..thats likely our disconnect. I don't think it is.

Edit: even reading it "your" way...i still get the same impression. The previous oaragrah says his status is "up in the air".  Given his subsequent "din't quit, didn't walk away"...one of the only other reasons it coukd be "up in the air" is contractual.

[FunkyMonkey]

So you're saying Tommy's contract is up.  He knew about it and agreed upon it when he signed.  He's done.

Then why would he say:

?I reach out once in a while to that crew of people ? a lot of whom are also my good friends ? but I really have no idea what?s going on,?

[pilferk]

So you're saying Tommy's contract is up.  He knew about it and agreed upon it when he signed.  He's done.

Then why would he say:

?I reach out once in a while to that crew of people ? a lot of whom are also my good friends ? but I really have no idea what?s going on,?

I just explained that in my previous post.

He's talking about the staus of the band, its future plans, in general, in that quote.

Not his membership, specifically.

The specific part about him is in the clarification that follows.

[FunkyMonkey]

If he knew he was out of the band.  Why would he be inquiring as to what is going on?

[pilferk]

If he knew he was out of the band.  Why would he be inquiring as to what is going on?

Because he's still good  friends with some of those guys (which is exactly what he says in the quote) AN/OR because, as he said, if there were plans to get the modern lineup together, he would consider them. How else to find out if thats an option if he doesnt ask?

Edit: not to mention he has a vested interest in music being released. So he might want to know when thats coming. He's invested the better part of 2 decades in it....might be curious, no?

[FunkyMonkey]

So he's out of the band.  And he's been reaching out to management to see what is going on.  In case they want to use him, possibly, in the future.

OK.

[pilferk]

So he's out of the band.  And he's been reaching out to management to see what is going on.  In case they want to use him, possibly, in the future.

OK.

Or because he's friends with those guys, and he is curious whats going on. Or another unknown reason.

Also added an edit....he does have a vested interest in the release of new music. Might he not be interested when or if thats coming out? There are some financial benefits to that, even after his contract is up, assumng he has credits on those songs. Might he not be inquiring about the status of the work he's done for the past decade plus?

If something ends amicably....theres no reason NOT to keep up communication. Is there?