Tommy Stinson article - September 2, 2015

[EmilyGNR]

Because things can change

Exactly, look how things have changed in a little over a year. Most people are creatures of habit, and resist change- but, look at the way GNR has changed and evolved right from the start.

[norway]

Because things can change

Axl wont change, I am pretty sure. Become friends and even guest on Slash-shows? yea... Reunion? I think not.

I much preferred him over BBF, and own a fair amount of Bucket's music.

Buckethead is my god. I think BBF fits the 06-era more tho.

None of them are true bandmembers, but soloists. You can only hold on to them for so long.

Bucket was apparantly open with the others about using the band to promote himself. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but you get my drift.

[EmilyGNR]

Because things can change

Axl wont change, I am pretty sure. Become friends and even guest on Slash-shows? yea... Reunion? I think not.

I much preferred him over BBF, and own a fair amount of Bucket's music.

Buckethead is my god. I think BBF fits the 06-era more tho.

None of them are true bandmembers, but soloists. You can only hold on to them for so long.

Bucket was apparantly open with the others about using the band to promote himself. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but you get my drift.

BBF was a good stunt player, won't delve in to the self promotion and spin there.

Anyone in a legendary band like GNR is bound to boost their visibility and popularity- that is a given.

[pilferk]

I rly don't get what I am missing that the reunionists don't. It doesn't make any sense.

 

they can read the same rumors we can on the Internet.

This isn't even a rumor, it is wishfull thinking and speculation.

He actually didn't say he was positive he would go.

It certainly appear he is positive to keep going when asked.

He said he'd have to consider it (aka think about it) if they offered.

He said:

'of course I?d have to think about it'

That means..he's NOT positive he'd keep going.

Most likely he will it seems.

We are at 'Of course' he consider to make GNR (live/touring) a priority over his solocareer (live/touring). No?

No. It means he would think about it. The english connotation is that he's not certain. The "of course" isn't an inducation of "sureness" in saying yes. its an inducation of sureness that he wouldn't immediately say no.  He would think about it.

So...no....he didn't say he would definitely go. He said he would definitrly think about going, maybe.

[pilferk]

TOMMY SAID HE HAS NOT QUIT THE BAND

How the fuck can you spin it to 'he is out and a reunion is imminent?' Liek wtf

I never get swept up in the reunion stuff.  But its gotten me this time, finally.

Wont happen. Not in this lifetime

GNR has ended a tour and last we heard the next step is to release new music. 

If, at the end of this, all we get is an announcement Axl has hired 2 more randos so he can keep singing AFD songs in clubs...that's going to be a gutpunch.

Speak for yourself. If he leaves the club before screaming out WTTJ I will riot. What would he sing with duff and slash?

And 'two more' what? Buckethead, Richard Fortus , Bumblefoot and DJ Ashba are randoms? A reunion ($$$) wont give us a new AFD, it would be a TSI'ish album I betcha.

If he truly has no idea what's going on...then that's a really shitty way to treat someone who's been one of the longest serving tenured members of the band.

You are entitled to your opinion, but Tommy has 'nothing but gratitude'. Him not knowing is unlikely a treatment, but a mere consequence.

 Exactly why would Axl eat his own words, leave Tommy behind and reunite?

The way he phrased it..while he did not quit, or get fired...his part pretty much ended in vegas.

Thats what he actually said.

To put it another way: if you are doing a contract job, and that contract ends..you did not quit or walk away. The contract just ended.

They could be good to you, you could move on to something else afterwards, you could, if they called you back and asked you to come back, think about returning (maybe, depending on whats going on, what they offer, etc). But..lif you aren't hearing from them..done is done.

Thats the way the actual words he wrote sound. It might not be what he meant...we don't. But its the way its phrased.

[pilferk]

I dont think anyone has said that any of the modern lineup guys wouldnt be welcomed back  (Including Bucket and Robin)

I actually wonder if Buckethead would be welcomed back, he really jerked the band and management around. I know Axl does have a soft spot for him (which I try and try to understand, but can't).

I don?t think there is soft spot. You don?t have to believe me, just read the statement Axl issued about Buckethead?s departure. It was as bitter or worst than when Slash left. So if Axl has to make out with one of the 2 then Slash makes more sense. They made history together, and they have more things in common like the early days, the friends from those days and the wild things they did together

You are omitting Merck's shade on the Bucket situation, if someone is given wrong or misleading information then their reaction cannot honestly be judged honestly imo.

I totally agree

If Axl had any resentment towards bucket. He wouldn't of been on CD at all.....   I think Axl was played a little bit, by certain people.  I think Axl really liked Bucket and was pissed.   But was pissed when he really shouldn't of been

Look for that reunion in 15 years. Hahah

Bucket is an amazingly talented guitarist, even if people dont like his quirky eccentricity his talent can't be denied. I think there are factors surrounding his exit that are not known.

I much preferred him over BBF, and own a fair amount of Bucket's music.

He was legit sick, for awhile. For a long while.  He hasnt talked a lot about the specifics, but......the indications were it was sorta a serious illness.

[norway]

So...no....he didn't say he would definitely go.

Did I say those words?

The way he phrased it..while he did not quit, or get fired...his part pretty much ended in vegas.

Correction: 'We just all sort of left it in Vegas'

To put it another way: if you are doing a contract job, and that contract ends..you did not quit or walk away. The contract just ended.

And what exactly is new here?

Thats the way the actual words he wrote sound.

Sounds as a pretty vivid conclusion drawn from a preconceived notion to me. No offense. To me it seems like Tommy is still in the band and that he will most likely postpone/halt solostuff when/if GNR gonna tour or record. A reunion won't happen in this lifetime but him and Slash are 'friends' again. 

[EmilyGNR]

I dont think anyone has said that any of the modern lineup guys wouldnt be welcomed back  (Including Bucket and Robin)

I actually wonder if Buckethead would be welcomed back, he really jerked the band and management around. I know Axl does have a soft spot for him (which I try and try to understand, but can't).

I don?t think there is soft spot. You don?t have to believe me, just read the statement Axl issued about Buckethead?s departure. It was as bitter or worst than when Slash left. So if Axl has to make out with one of the 2 then Slash makes more sense. They made history together, and they have more things in common like the early days, the friends from those days and the wild things they did together

You are omitting Merck's shade on the Bucket situation, if someone is given wrong or misleading information then their reaction cannot honestly be judged honestly imo.

I totally agree

If Axl had any resentment towards bucket. He wouldn't of been on CD at all.....   I think Axl was played a little bit, by certain people.  I think Axl really liked Bucket and was pissed.   But was pissed when he really shouldn't of been

Look for that reunion in 15 years. Hahah

Bucket is an amazingly talented guitarist, even if people dont like his quirky eccentricity his talent can't be denied. I think there are factors surrounding his exit that are not known.

I much preferred him over BBF, and own a fair amount of Bucket's music.

He was legit sick, for awhile. For a long while.  He hasnt talked a lot about the specifics, but......the indications were it was sorta a serious illness.

I have heard rumors, and I think it's very valid, but have heard no specifics.

[EmilyGNR]

TOMMY SAID HE HAS NOT QUIT THE BAND

How the fuck can you spin it to 'he is out and a reunion is imminent?' Liek wtf

I never get swept up in the reunion stuff.  But its gotten me this time, finally.

Wont happen. Not in this lifetime

GNR has ended a tour and last we heard the next step is to release new music. 

If, at the end of this, all we get is an announcement Axl has hired 2 more randos so he can keep singing AFD songs in clubs...that's going to be a gutpunch.

Speak for yourself. If he leaves the club before screaming out WTTJ I will riot. What would he sing with duff and slash?

And 'two more' what? Buckethead, Richard Fortus , Bumblefoot and DJ Ashba are randoms? A reunion ($$$) wont give us a new AFD, it would be a TSI'ish album I betcha.

If he truly has no idea what's going on...then that's a really shitty way to treat someone who's been one of the longest serving tenured members of the band.

You are entitled to your opinion, but Tommy has 'nothing but gratitude'. Him not knowing is unlikely a treatment, but a mere consequence.

 Exactly why would Axl eat his own words, leave Tommy behind and reunite?

The way he phrased it..while he did not quit, or get fired...his part pretty much ended in vegas.

Thats what he actually said.

To put it another way: if you are doing a contract job, and that contract ends..you did not quit or walk away. The contract just ended.

They could be good to you, you could move on to something else afterwards, you could, if they called you back and asked you to come back, think about returning (maybe, depending on whats going on, what they offer, etc). But..lif you aren't hearing from them..done is done.

Thats the way the actual words he wrote sound. It might not be what he meant...we don't. But its the way its phrased.

That is the clearest, most concise explanation and interpretation on his interview I have read yet. Totally agree 100%

[norway]

Ok so what did I miss here? 

I see nothing that supports the reunion-theory or that Tommy is no longer the baseplayer in GNR whenever it reactivates.

He was legit sick, for awhile. For a long while.  He hasnt talked a lot about the specifics, but......the indications were it was sorta a serious illness.

I have heard rumors, and I think it's very valid, but have heard no specifics.

That was a while after leaving GnR.  I remember what was written on his site 'slip disc snuck in and Bucket has to replace some animatronic parts' or smt like that.

Buckethead left to pursue his solocareer and due to Axl's inabillity to release new music.


Edit:

thar: http://www.mtv.com/news/1485811/bucketheads-hand-puppet-says-goodbye-to-guns-n-roses/

[EmilyGNR]

He was legit sick, for awhile. For a long while.  He hasnt talked a lot about the specifics, but......the indications were it was sorta a serious illness.

I have heard rumors, and I think it's very valid, but have heard no specifics.

That was a while after leaving GnR.  I remember what was written on his site 'slip disc snuck in and Bucket has to replace some animatronic parts' or smt like that.

Buckethead left to pursue his solocareer and due to Axl's inabillity to release new music.


Edit:

thar: http://www.mtv.com/news/1485811/bucketheads-hand-puppet-says-goodbye-to-guns-n-roses/

Well, Bucket was wrong about "Inability to release new music", CD was released in 2008. I also believe there was more to it that hasn't been made public.

[norway]

Well, Bucket was wrong about "Inability to release new music", CD was released in 2008.

Buckethead left in 04.

I also believe there was more to it that hasn't been made public.

mhm Buckethead going away is the best thing that could've happened to the band. - Tommy Stinson

[EmilyGNR]

Well, Bucket was wrong about "Inability to release new music", CD was released in 2008.

Buckethead left in 04.

I also believe there was more to it that hasn't been made public.

mhm Buckethead going away is the best thing that could've happened to the band. - Tommy Stinson

I'm aware when he left, my statement still stands.

[TheBaconman]

Well, Bucket was wrong about "Inability to release new music", CD was released in 2008.

Buckethead left in 04.

I also believe there was more to it that hasn't been made public.

mhm Buckethead going away is the best thing that could've happened to the band. - Tommy Stinson

I'm aware when he left, my statement still stands.

I have this bet with a buddy of mine

Over drinks one night I bet him 1000 bucks I could beat him in a 100m race.  We shook on it and it's official.

The bet was around 6 years ago and still stands, as we never agreed on a time.  He is in really good shape.   One of these days.  Mb in 10 years I may suck it up and get into race shape and challenge him.  Then be like ah ha! I told you I could bet you

Sorta like Axl

Ah ha!   I did release new music Buckethead!    Hahaha

[Princess Leia]

Well yeah Tommy didn?t confirm he left. But reading the interview he doesn?t sound neither excited nor interested in GN?R. I think there are many ways to say things. BBF was a great example of that. And reading the last paragraph he sounds pretty much like DJ in his farewell letter

[HBK]

TOMMY SAID HE HAS NOT QUIT THE BAND

 

[pilferk]

So...no....he didn't say he would definitely go.

Did I say those words?

The way he phrased it..while he did not quit, or get fired...his part pretty much ended in vegas.

Correction: 'We just all sort of left it in Vegas'

To put it another way: if you are doing a contract job, and that contract ends..you did not quit or walk away. The contract just ended.

And what exactly is new here?

Thats the way the actual words he wrote sound.

Sounds as a pretty vivid conclusion drawn from a preconceived notion to me. No offense. To me it seems like Tommy is still in the band and that he will most likely postpone/halt solostuff when/if GNR gonna tour or record. A reunion won't happen in this lifetime but him and Slash are 'friends' again. 

Its a pretty obvious conclusion giving his phrasing. You can come to a different one..thats fine....but its tough to make an argument that the opposing one isn't equally valid. Because its what he said. It might not be true...we don't know. But, at this point, we don't know either one is true, so....

I'd offer your conclusion is equally shaky, based on your own preconceived notions and desires. No offense.

Where does it say, for example, he "most likely" would postpone or halt his solo stuff to rejoin? Those words aren't there. I'm not sure where that conclusion comes from.  If he were actually that conclusive in the words he used, we wouldn't...any of us...be having this discussion.

The reunion and tommy not being an active member, really, are two different discussions. I get why one might add fuel to the fire of the other, but they can be considered separately.

I'm still not convinced a reunion is imminent. I still think its a super long shot. I also think, at this point, Tommy does not consider himself an active member of GnR. My opinions, only. I'm not out to convince anyone else.

[norway]

Its a pretty obvious conclusion giving his phrasing.

People seem to (illogilcly)) interpret him to fit into a reunion-theory.

It shouldn't come as a suprise but it looks parts in the article itself is written to suggest a gnr-reunion. It's hot news and a public demand.

I also think, at this point, Tommy does not consider himself an active member of GnR.

What does it mean? 'active member' They all just left after Vegas. He hasn't quit as he stated, unlike others. So what is it? He is kicked from the band to be replaced by Duff? Thats what you are suggesting?

 To this I am gonna give you all a big fat LOL!

[FunkyMonkey]

I have heard rumors, and I think it's very valid, but have heard no specifics.

Give us a source.  When did you hear these rumors.

[FunkyMonkey]

The way he phrased it..while he did not quit, or get fired...his part pretty much ended in vegas.

Tommy Stinson: "I reach out once in a while to that crew of people ? a lot of whom are also my good friends ? but I really have no idea what's going on," he said. "I didn't quit the gig or walk away from it. We just all sort of left it in [Las] Vegas."