Tommy Stinson article - September 2, 2015

[pilferk]

It would be insane.  In the good way.  I can't be the only person being asked by their friends if this is all real.

But, to touch on your second point, if this all craps out (like it probably will) am I going back to them and telling them that while it didn't pan out, Axl will still release CD II (at some point) and be back with a new band (that I can't tell you who) and be back on the road?

Probably not.

I was talking to a lady the other night, via twitter.  She's a huge Disney nut (like me) and we typically talk about that topic.  She knows I'm a GnR fan.  She asked me the same question.

I answered her pretty much the same way I always do "Snowballs chance in hell".  And followed up with something new "But I hear a whisper of a rumor that Satan's ordered air conditioning installed."

For me, who, like you, has thought the chances of a reunion were somewhere between zero, something devided by 0, and negative infinity, that's about the most movement on the topic as I've made in about 20 years.  IMHO, it's significant.

I won't be disappointed if it doesn't happen.  I'll be happy if it does...or doesn't AND we get some new incarnation of the band.  But this is the first time I've even allowed myself to entertain the notion of a notion of a notion that it could even be a feasible endgame.  It's the first time I've ever even really entertained in, or participated in, the discussion.  I still view it as fantasy.....but now it's like "what would I do if I won the lottery" fantasy and not "this is like talking about pigs flying, with space lasers attached to their sides, and shooting bullets out their asses" fantasy.

[EmilyGNR]

Nobody is denying the current shitstorm of gossip and the innudation of everybody's special little interpretations of current events. That is a point nobody is arguing.

I'm not big on conclusion jumping, I prefer to wait on an actual reality. Weird huh.  

Why is it a bad thing, though?

The past few days have seen all sorts of excitement and discussion of some different topics.

If they don't pan out, they don't pan out.

More straw man idiocy-

I simply mentioned that it was happening, that is an undeniable fact. Tongues are wagging, opinions are being typed, people are crawling out of the woodwork- that is apparent.

I didn't say it was a "bad thing" anywhere.

I did mention I tend to disregard the majority of the gossip and wait for official news.

Is english your first language?

[pilferk]

I did mention I tend to disregard the majority of the gossip and wait for official news.

FWIW, I think that's a totally valid position to take on all this...and I don't think it's exclusive to Emily.

In the world of Disney parks (I hate to belabor that topic, but...it's valid), stuff is handled very much like it is with GnR.  They keep everything top secret, close to the vest, and very little info leaks out.  You're left to try to put together bits and pieces, read through esoteric construction filings with the county, etc.  They don't announce anything til they're ready to announce it.  Hell, they were building an entire Vacation Club resort expansion, had poured the foundations and were moving in steel, and were still denying and not commenting at every question....until they announced it officially on their time.

Rumors do leak out, and pieces ARE put together.  Sometimes they're right (the new Star Wars land at both Disneyland and Disney Hollywood Studios). Sometimes they're not (The "Flying Door" Coaster from Monsters, Inc or Carsland at Hollywood Studios).

There are PLENTY of folks who say...you know what...call me when Bob Iger is on the stage making an announcement.  Til then, I just don't care about the rumors.

And there are those who take every little piece of info, dissect it, internalize it, and postulate, and discuss it into the ground.

I don't think there's anything wrong with either one....

[LongGoneDay]

Edited to add: What part does the lanyard or the positioning of the person have to do with anything? Why isn't the premise listed in a similar way? For example: "As a wrestling watching Bon Jovi fan, sitting in front of my computer, there doesn't seem....."

Gotta hand it to you, that was a solid zing!
I laughed.

All in good fun of course.
Everyone knows Jarmo and D-Den are my internet BFF?s.

[D-GenerationX]

For me, who, like you, has thought the chances of a reunion were somewhere between zero, something devided by 0, and negative infinity, that's about the most movement on the topic as I've made in about 20 years.  IMHO, it's significant.

I won't be disappointed if it doesn't happen.  I'll be happy if it does...or doesn't AND we get some new incarnation of the band.  But this is the first time I've even allowed myself to entertain the notion of a notion of a notion that it could even be a feasible endgame.  It's the first time I've ever even really entertained in, or participated in, the discussion.  I still view it as fantasy.....but now it's like "what would I do if I won the lottery" fantasy and not "this is like talking about pigs flying, with space lasers attached to their sides, and shooting bullets out their asses" fantasy.

Hahahaha

Spot on.  I used to look at all reunion topics with "what are you, an idiot?" vibes.  

I always felt hardcore GNR fans should know better than ANYONE how remote it was.  I saw the fact some of our own number were talking the way you might expect the ultimate casual fan to talk as totally ridiculous.

But now, yeah, I'm intrigued.

[D-GenerationX]

I didn't say it was a "bad thing" anywhere.

I did mention I tend to disregard the majority of the gossip and wait for official news.

Is english your first language?

No, Kilngon.

It seems like you think its bad. 

And if we only heard from you once we got "official news", we'd never heard form you.

[D-GenerationX]

Edited to add: What part does the lanyard or the positioning of the person have to do with anything? Why isn't the premise listed in a similar way? For example: "As a wrestling watching Bon Jovi fan, sitting in front of my computer, there doesn't seem....."

Gotta hand it to you, that was a solid zing!
I laughed.

All in good fun of course.
Everyone knows Jarmo and D-Den are my internet BFF?s.

That is funny!

But god damn, Jarmo.  Get your thoughts in order before you post.  Always going back and adding shit afterwards. 

And sometimes, as we see here, its good.  I laughed.

[EmilyGNR]

I didn't say it was a "bad thing" anywhere.

I did mention I tend to disregard the majority of the gossip and wait for official news.

Is english your first language?

No, Kilngon.

It seems like you think its bad. 

And if we only heard from you once we got "official news", we'd never heard form you.

Oh- It "seems" like I think it is bad, so therefore your WRONG interpretation gels and transubstantiates into fact in your brain.  That may be part of your problem, stating opinion as if it is truth.

And if we only heard from you when you actually knew something  or reported actual, real news- we would never hear from you.

[DeN]

Gotta hand it to you, that was a solid zing!
I laughed.

All in good fun of course.
Everyone knows Jarmo and D-Den are my internet BFF?s.

careful with what you write, dude 

[Princess Leia]

While I will truely support that, the talk of guns has truely picked up.  And the support the band would get from old fans returning to the fold would be out of this world

I feel the world wide demand for Axl and "axls" gnr is still fairly high.  And the excitment of seeing them live is still there.   MB not in your neck of the woods.....   But most places I have been to see them it is

It would be insane.  In the good way.  I can't be the only person being asked by their friends if this is all real.

But, to touch on your second point, if this all craps out (like it probably will) am I going back to them and telling them that while it didn't pan out, Axl will still release CD II (at some point) and be back with a new band (that I can't tell you who) and be back on the road?

Probably not.

I had my unlce, who lives on the other side of the country send me a email last week.   To quote him

"Bacon, your buddy Buckethead is out of guns and Slash is back in!"

hahaha

So your uncle never heard of BBF and DJ?  God bless his soul Tell your uncle I take him to see  a GN?R reunion show... If it happens 

[TheBaconman]

While I will truely support that, the talk of guns has truely picked up.  And the support the band would get from old fans returning to the fold would be out of this world

I feel the world wide demand for Axl and "axls" gnr is still fairly high.  And the excitment of seeing them live is still there.   MB not in your neck of the woods.....   But most places I have been to see them it is

It would be insane.  In the good way.  I can't be the only person being asked by their friends if this is all real.

But, to touch on your second point, if this all craps out (like it probably will) am I going back to them and telling them that while it didn't pan out, Axl will still release CD II (at some point) and be back with a new band (that I can't tell you who) and be back on the road?

Probably not.

I had my unlce, who lives on the other side of the country send me a email last week.   To quote him

"Bacon, your buddy Buckethead is out of guns and Slash is back in!"

hahaha

So your uncle never heard of BBF and DJ?  God bless his soul Tell your uncle I take him to see  a GN?R reunion show... If it happens 

Hahaha, he has taste.

And he is 58 and single.  I am very sure he would love a date with a Princess!!

[jarmo]

Edited to add: What part does the lanyard or the positioning of the person have to do with anything? Why isn't the premise listed in a similar way? For example: "As a wrestling watching Bon Jovi fan, sitting in front of my computer, there doesn't seem....."

Gotta hand it to you, that was a solid zing!
I laughed.

All in good fun of course.
Everyone knows Jarmo and D-Den are my internet BFF?s.

That is funny!

But god damn, Jarmo.  Get your thoughts in order before you post.  Always going back and adding shit afterwards. 

And sometimes, as we see here, its good.  I laughed.

Thanks.

That's the downside of trying to multitask.... 




/jarmo

[EmilyGNR]

While I will truely support that, the talk of guns has truely picked up.  And the support the band would get from old fans returning to the fold would be out of this world

I feel the world wide demand for Axl and "axls" gnr is still fairly high.  And the excitment of seeing them live is still there.   MB not in your neck of the woods.....   But most places I have been to see them it is

It would be insane.  In the good way.  I can't be the only person being asked by their friends if this is all real.

But, to touch on your second point, if this all craps out (like it probably will) am I going back to them and telling them that while it didn't pan out, Axl will still release CD II (at some point) and be back with a new band (that I can't tell you who) and be back on the road?

Probably not.

I had my unlce, who lives on the other side of the country send me a email last week.   To quote him

"Bacon, your buddy Buckethead is out of guns and Slash is back in!"

hahaha

So your uncle never heard of BBF and DJ?  God bless his soul Tell your uncle I take him to see  a GN?R reunion show... If it happens 

Hahaha, he has taste.

And he is 58 and single.  I am very sure he would love a date with a Princess!!

Hey now Bacon, this isn't a lonely hearts club band fan forum 

[TheBaconman]

While I will truely support that, the talk of guns has truely picked up.  And the support the band would get from old fans returning to the fold would be out of this world

I feel the world wide demand for Axl and "axls" gnr is still fairly high.  And the excitment of seeing them live is still there.   MB not in your neck of the woods.....   But most places I have been to see them it is

It would be insane.  In the good way.  I can't be the only person being asked by their friends if this is all real.

But, to touch on your second point, if this all craps out (like it probably will) am I going back to them and telling them that while it didn't pan out, Axl will still release CD II (at some point) and be back with a new band (that I can't tell you who) and be back on the road?

Probably not.

I had my unlce, who lives on the other side of the country send me a email last week.   To quote him

"Bacon, your buddy Buckethead is out of guns and Slash is back in!"

hahaha

So your uncle never heard of BBF and DJ?  God bless his soul Tell your uncle I take him to see  a GN?R reunion show... If it happens 

Hahaha, he has taste.

And he is 58 and single.  I am very sure he would love a date with a Princess!!

Hey now Bacon, this isn't a lonely hearts club band fan forum 

hahaha

[EmilyGNR]

While I will truely support that, the talk of guns has truely picked up.  And the support the band would get from old fans returning to the fold would be out of this world

I feel the world wide demand for Axl and "axls" gnr is still fairly high.  And the excitment of seeing them live is still there.   MB not in your neck of the woods.....   But most places I have been to see them it is

It would be insane.  In the good way.  I can't be the only person being asked by their friends if this is all real.

But, to touch on your second point, if this all craps out (like it probably will) am I going back to them and telling them that while it didn't pan out, Axl will still release CD II (at some point) and be back with a new band (that I can't tell you who) and be back on the road?

Probably not.

I had my unlce, who lives on the other side of the country send me a email last week.   To quote him

"Bacon, your buddy Buckethead is out of guns and Slash is back in!"

hahaha

So your uncle never heard of BBF and DJ?  God bless his soul Tell your uncle I take him to see  a GN?R reunion show... If it happens 

Hahaha, he has taste.

And he is 58 and single.  I am very sure he would love a date with a Princess!!

Hey now Bacon, this isn't a lonely hearts club band fan forum 

hahaha

  You are one of the few people here I feel I can joke with.

[Gaymo, the Hobbit]

Tommy, while promoting his project, said 'I didn't quit the band' and indiquate he is positive to keep going with GNR when/if asked.

What am I missing?

He actually didn't say he was positive he would go.

He said he'd have to consider it (aka think about it) if they offered.

That means..he's NOT positive he'd keep going.

It makes sense. Until he knows what the plans are, how can he say he'll be there for sure?




/jarmo

Because usually...if youre a member in a band, you will be therr if something new is gonna happen.
Unless youre not in a band or just a hired musician

[OscarAxl22]

I did mention I tend to disregard the majority of the gossip and wait for official news.

FWIW, I think that's a totally valid position to take on all this...and I don't think it's exclusive to Emily.

In the world of Disney parks (I hate to belabor that topic, but...it's valid), stuff is handled very much like it is with GnR.  They keep everything top secret, close to the vest, and very little info leaks out.  You're left to try to put together bits and pieces, read through esoteric construction filings with the county, etc.  They don't announce anything til they're ready to announce it.  Hell, they were building an entire Vacation Club resort expansion, had poured the foundations and were moving in steel, and were still denying and not commenting at every question....until they announced it officially on their time.

Rumors do leak out, and pieces ARE put together.  Sometimes they're right (the new Star Wars land at both Disneyland and Disney Hollywood Studios). Sometimes they're not (The "Flying Door" Coaster from Monsters, Inc or Carsland at Hollywood Studios).

There are PLENTY of folks who say...you know what...call me when Bob Iger is on the stage making an announcement.  Til then, I just don't care about the rumors.

And there are those who take every little piece of info, dissect it, internalize it, and postulate, and discuss it into the ground.

I don't think there's anything wrong with either one....

I think the key is to not take it all too seriously. The current situation will always lend itself to wild speculation until some sort of official statement is made either by GNR management or Axl himself.

Until then.... the same wild innuendo and speculation will continue i guess.

[EmilyGNR]

Tommy, while promoting his project, said 'I didn't quit the band' and indiquate he is positive to keep going with GNR when/if asked.

What am I missing?

He actually didn't say he was positive he would go.

He said he'd have to consider it (aka think about it) if they offered.

That means..he's NOT positive he'd keep going.

It makes sense. Until he knows what the plans are, how can he say he'll be there for sure?




/jarmo

Because usually...if youre a member in a band, you will be therr if something new is gonna happen.
Unless youre not in a band or just a hired musician

And you are basing this on what, exactly???

[D-GenerationX]

In the world of Disney parks (I hate to belabor that topic, but...it's valid), stuff is handled very much like it is with GnR.  They keep everything top secret, close to the vest, and very little info leaks out.  You're left to try to put together bits and pieces, read through esoteric construction filings with the county, etc.  They don't announce anything til they're ready to announce it.  Hell, they were building an entire Vacation Club resort expansion, had poured the foundations and were moving in steel, and were still denying and not commenting at every question....until they announced it officially on their time.

But the attractions do eventually open, right?  Eventually a finished product is produced?

When people express interest in one of these projects, are they told Mickey doesn't owe them?  Not one god damn thing?

[pilferk]

In the world of Disney parks (I hate to belabor that topic, but...it's valid), stuff is handled very much like it is with GnR.  They keep everything top secret, close to the vest, and very little info leaks out.  You're left to try to put together bits and pieces, read through esoteric construction filings with the county, etc.  They don't announce anything til they're ready to announce it.  Hell, they were building an entire Vacation Club resort expansion, had poured the foundations and were moving in steel, and were still denying and not commenting at every question....until they announced it officially on their time.

But the attractions do eventually open, right?  Eventually a finished product is produced?

When people express interest in one of these projects, are they told Mickey doesn't owe them?  Not one god damn thing?

Not always. No. Disney announced a golf course at wdw...that is now the site of saratoga springs dvc resort. They announced new retail outlet that was abandoned. They promised refurb and reopening of river country...which never happened. So, in short...nope. And thats stuff they actually announced. Happens in California, too, at Disneyland.

The rumored stuff? About 50/50. Maybe less than that.

And when they do build...they do it at a glacially slow pace, usually. They just announced toy story land and star wars land expansions. Those will be complete in late 2020 or 2021. And even when complete...they won't be complete (and everyone wont be happy with them).

And...yeah, they often are told very similar things. Hollywood studios has been a mess for years. People have complained. People want a 5th park. People want better food quality given the prices. People want more rides, different shows, lots of stuff. And there is similar emotional investment and sentimentality. Similar division over various eras of the business (what would walt, roy, eisner, or iger do...nevermind the  micro different exec teams runnng each park/resort at different times). Debates over lineups", and  creative/imagineering, and money and....

And, often, people explain why they won't get those things they want. Why it makes zero sense for the company to provide them. And yes....iger/disney doesn't owe you anything is very often used in discussion. To vote with your wallet. Consume or don't. Go on vacation there, or go somewhere ekse you might be happier.

When i say the parrelells are strong, i'm not really kidding or stretching. Yes, there are big differences too. And you'll say that..well...Disney is providing SOMETHING, at least. An ongoing product to consume at the parks. Many, though, would make the same sort of stagnation arguments, with customers potentially leaving, that get made here. But thats not really all that relevant to the point i was making: its natural for a segment of folks to want to wait until there is official official news. Just as its natural for others to want to discuss the latest rumors.

I know, this is sorta off topic. But i am trying to tie it back to make a point, here.