Tommy Stinson article - September 2, 2015

[EmilyGNR]

Unless it undermines the direction you are trying to take your organization in. This has all peaked interest in one thing and one thing only, a reunion. The domino's falling, or more appropriately appearing to fall in the direction they have are working these forums and online media outlets into a frenzy about said reunion. If you let that build steam and then follow it up by announcing a tour with John and Jeff Doe on guitar touring on an album that came out in 2008 or an upcoming album that was largely written and produced in the early 2000's your are going to see a negative reaction or at best a very flat reception.

Personally I am happy with shows and music from Axl one way or another, but I am not everyone... and certainly I am not everyone outside of this online fan community.

Well said.  Agreed all around.

I never get swept up in the reunion stuff.  But its gotten me this time, finally.

And I can't lie.  If, at the end of this, all we get is an announcement Axl has hired 2 more randos so he can keep singing AFD songs in clubs...that's going to be a gutpunch.

Poor you, you suffer so greatly in your supposed "fandom" 

I won't be alone on that either, my dear.

So you will have no shortage of people that can add to your list of folks you try and sell that long delays that lead to nothing are super awesome.

Your impression that I am trying to "sell" anything to anyone is yet another case of you being wrong. My opinions here are my own and are not intended to "sell" or convert anyone.   

I bet being wrong so much is a real "gut punch" too.

[D-GenerationX]

Your impression that I am trying to "sell" anything to anyone is yet another case of you being wrong. My opinions here are my own and are not intended to "sell" or convert anyone.   

I bet being wrong so much is a real "gut punch" too.

I wouldn't know.  Check with someone that's wrong a lot, would be my suggestion.

Are you seriously denying the level of excitement around here and the other forums lately?  Can you give me even one example in the past, say, 3-4 years that holds a candle to any of this?

[sky dog]

D-Gen, I wouldn't be holding your breath for that reunion either.....same guy still runs the show in either case.  

[Ginger King]

This all spiraled because one poster got so upset at the term liar being used. As others pointed out it's just that none of these guys are on the same page. Only time will tell who has a clue and who doesn't.

I also just really hope that we don't get new guy 1 and new guy 2 on guitar next year.

To be honest...I object to it, too.  Emily beat me to pointing out the objection, though.

It's a term we often use here when there are alternate scenarios in play (like being wrong or having circumstances change or, like in this case, having two alternate points of view).

I see you have since agreed that the use of that term probably wasn't apt...so we can move on from there.    

Fine...but I just think he knows and is not choosing to say.  And I think he's well within his right not to tell us.

I tend to believe that over he actually doesn't know.  If he truly has no idea what's going on...then that's a really shitty way to treat someone who's been one of the longest serving tenured members of the band.

First sentence here is great, he is under no obligation-real or imagined, and would be ill-advised to blurt out everything he knows. Only Idiots spew everything they know.

Second sentence here you are ASSUMING that he has somehow been mistreated and you are jumping to the usual conclusions and drama queen antics. 

I believe you're assuming that I'm assuming he's been mistreated.  Stop projecting your toxic negativity.  

All I'm saying is if he truly doesn't know, it's shitty.  He should know, and, IMO, he does, so I don't believe he's being mistreated at all.  I believe he's being evasive about the question, and I think he's right to do so.  Because it's not his place...because he's not in the band anymore.  But you can wait for the official announcement on that one.  

[D-GenerationX]

D-Gen, I wouldn't be holding your breath for that reunion either.....same guy still runs the show in either case.  

I still think its an incredible longshot.

But its something new.  Its something potentially exciting.  That alone has merit.

Can we really say people are getting the same level of enjoyment twiddling their thumbs as Axl starts looking very seriously at what he's doing in regards to releasing the second half of Chinese?

This potential reunion is probably not going to pan out for us.  But I think its disingenuous to say that what Axl's been doing the past few years is doing much for us either.

[jarmo]

But I think its disingenuous to say that what Axl's been doing the past few years is doing much for us either.

Define "past few years" and "us".



/jarmo

[Ginger King]

D-Gen, I wouldn't be holding your breath for that reunion either.....same guy still runs the show in either case.  

I still think its an incredible longshot.

But its something new.  Its something potentially exciting.  That alone has merit.

Can we really say people are getting the same level of enjoyment twiddling their thumbs as Axl starts looking very seriously at what he's doing in regards to releasing the second half of Chinese?

This potential reunion is probably not going to pan out for us.  But I think its disingenuous to say that what Axl's been doing the past few years is doing much for us either.

If it's taken over a year to figure out what to do with an album that "already recorded" how long do you think it will take to put a reunion together???  I know, I know, Axl is not to blame for any of that, it's [insert myriad of excuses ranging from artistic integrity to crooked record execs].

[D-GenerationX]

But I think its disingenuous to say that what Axl's been doing the past few years is doing much for us either.

Define "past few years" and "us".

10/2/2011 onwards, and a plurality of the fanbase.

Look at the facts.  There hasn't been any real fire for this band the past few years.  Lot of waiting, lot of frustration.  And that's among die hard fans.

We were already seeing people say for the first time they will have to give some thought to seeing more shows if its just the same old shit with no new album or sense of progression.

Obviously, you will always be able to drum up Emily or some other loyal soldier to regale us with an anecdote about how they took a trip to Vegas and it was just the best time in the history of ever.

I struggle to recall the last time people were truly excited about this band.  The 2009-10 shows, maybe?  I don't know, I'm guessing.

And, for about the 47th time, this longshot reunion talk only further dominates due to the fact nothing interesting has happened with the current band in years.

[D-GenerationX]

If it's taken over a year to figure out what to do with an album that "already recorded" how long do you think it will take to put a reunion together???  I know, I know, Axl is not to blame for any of that, it's [insert myriad of excuses ranging from artistic integrity to crooked record execs].

A tour, not much.

Any sort of new recording would be a herculean task, but I don't think that's in the cards under any circumstances anyway.

[EmilyGNR]

Your impression that I am trying to "sell" anything to anyone is yet another case of you being wrong. My opinions here are my own and are not intended to "sell" or convert anyone.   

I bet being wrong so much is a real "gut punch" too.

I wouldn't know.  Check with someone that's wrong a lot, would be my suggestion.

Are you seriously denying the level of excitement around here and the other forums lately?  Can you give me even one example in the past, say, 3-4 years that holds a candle to any of this?

Who is disputing the level of wagging tongues? Straw man diversion.

You have been told by someone in the know how wrong most of your little assumptions are. 

[sofine11]

I struggle to recall the last time people were truly excited about this band.  The 2009-10 shows, maybe?  I don't know, I'm guessing.

I think that's fair.  I saw them in Chicago in 2011 & '12, and had a blast.  But the last time there was something new and truly exciting in the air?  Yeah, 2010 shows I think.

I was always under the impression that Chinese Democracy was going to be an opening of the floodgates of sorts as far as the band releasing tons more new music, etc.  Once I saw that wasn't happening, the way it had always been eluded to up until the release itself, it really took the wind out of my sails as a fan quite a bit.  

And I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if the plan isn't to put this stuff out ASAP...Well, why the hell not a reunion?

[jarmo]

But I think its disingenuous to say that what Axl's been doing the past few years is doing much for us either.

Define "past few years" and "us".

10/2/2011 onwards, and a plurality of the fanbase.

Look at the facts.  There hasn't been any real fire for this band the past few years.  Lot of waiting, lot of frustration.  And that's among die hard fans.

We were already seeing people say for the first time they will have to give some thought to seeing more shows if its just the same old shit with no new album or sense of progression.

Obviously, you will always be able to drum up Emily or some other loyal soldier to regale us with an anecdote about how they took a trip to Vegas and it was just the best time in the history of ever.

I struggle to recall the last time people were truly excited about this band.  The 2009-10 shows, maybe?  I don't know, I'm guessing.

And, for about the 47th time, this longshot reunion talk only further dominates due to the fact nothing interesting has happened with the current band in years.

Yeah, of course you'd use yourself as an example of some kind of mass movement to validate your opinion.

So you're saying the thousands of fans attending the shows don't mean shit? Since you're focusing on people like yourself who rather stayed at home.

Define people and excited.  
I saw plenty of people be excited about GN'R every time the intro rolled....  

The bottom line is, you can never please everybody. Even if there was the magical mystery reunion tour, some would rather stay at home....



/jarmo

[Ginger King]

I struggle to recall the last time people were truly excited about this band.  The 2009-10 shows, maybe?  I don't know, I'm guessing.

I think that's fair.  I saw them in Chicago in 2011 & '12, and had a blast.  But the last time there was something new and truly exciting in the air?  Yeah, 2010 shows I think.

I was always under the impression that Chinese Democracy was going to be an opening of the floodgates of sorts as far as the band releasing tons more new music, etc.  Once I saw that wasn't happening, the way it had always been eluded to up until the release itself, it really took the wind out of my sails as a fan quite a bit.  

And I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if the plan isn't to put this stuff out ASAP...Well, why the hell not a reunion?

Take what you get (and love it, you ungrateful fuck):  A guide to being a Guns n Roses fan.

Catchy title, really.

[EmilyGNR]

This all spiraled because one poster got so upset at the term liar being used. As others pointed out it's just that none of these guys are on the same page. Only time will tell who has a clue and who doesn't.

I also just really hope that we don't get new guy 1 and new guy 2 on guitar next year.

To be honest...I object to it, too.  Emily beat me to pointing out the objection, though.

It's a term we often use here when there are alternate scenarios in play (like being wrong or having circumstances change or, like in this case, having two alternate points of view).

I see you have since agreed that the use of that term probably wasn't apt...so we can move on from there.    

Fine...but I just think he knows and is not choosing to say.  And I think he's well within his right not to tell us.

I tend to believe that over he actually doesn't know.  If he truly has no idea what's going on...then that's a really shitty way to treat someone who's been one of the longest serving tenured members of the band.

First sentence here is great, he is under no obligation-real or imagined, and would be ill-advised to blurt out everything he knows. Only Idiots spew everything they know.

Second sentence here you are ASSUMING that he has somehow been mistreated and you are jumping to the usual conclusions and drama queen antics. 

I believe you're assuming that I'm assuming he's been mistreated.  Stop projecting your toxic negativity.  

All I'm saying is if he truly doesn't know, it's shitty.  He should know, and, IMO, he does, so I don't believe he's being mistreated at all.  I believe he's being evasive about the question, and I think he's right to do so.  Because it's not his place...because he's not in the band anymore.  But you can wait for the official announcement on that one.  

Here's what you wrote-

"I tend to believe that over he actually doesn't know.  If he truly has no idea what's going on...then that's a really shitty way to treat someone who's been one of the longest serving tenured members of the band."
[/quote]

Your words not mine, so continue to dance around and pretend you didn't say that. You were clearly insinuating he has somehow been "mistreated".  

You guys are like a bunch of gossipy old housewives at a back fence.

[sofine11]

I struggle to recall the last time people were truly excited about this band.  The 2009-10 shows, maybe?  I don't know, I'm guessing.

I think that's fair.  I saw them in Chicago in 2011 & '12, and had a blast.  But the last time there was something new and truly exciting in the air?  Yeah, 2010 shows I think.

I was always under the impression that Chinese Democracy was going to be an opening of the floodgates of sorts as far as the band releasing tons more new music, etc.  Once I saw that wasn't happening, the way it had always been eluded to up until the release itself, it really took the wind out of my sails as a fan quite a bit.  

And I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if the plan isn't to put this stuff out ASAP...Well, why the hell not a reunion?

Take what you get (and love it, you ungrateful fuck):  A guide to being a Guns n Roses fan.

Catchy title, really.

Lol, you're not wrong. 

But seriously, you can go to a GNR show, have a great time...And still be disappointed that the band is essentially a stagnant touring act with no new music in the cards.  That's what they've been since 2011...Until they're not.

[D-GenerationX]

Are you seriously denying the level of excitement around here and the other forums lately?  Can you give me even one example in the past, say, 3-4 years that holds a candle to any of this?

Who is disputing the level of wagging tongues? Straw man diversion.

You have been told by someone in the know how wrong most of your little assumptions are. 

So...we'll just go ahead and put you down as a no, then.  A "no" on another example from the past few years that holds a candle to any of this.

That's not a diss.  Its the only logical answer.

[D-GenerationX]

And I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if the plan isn't to put this stuff out ASAP...Well, why the hell not a reunion?

Its actually become the best reason for it, probably.  By his own inaction, Axl has only further stoked those fires.

Even a guy like me, who has been laughing at reunionists for 10 years, I'm ready to say why the hell not.  What else is really going on here?

[D-GenerationX]

So you're saying the thousands of fans attending the shows don't mean shit? Since you're focusing on people like yourself who rather stayed at home.

Define people and excited.  
I saw plenty of people be excited about GN'R every time the intro rolled....  

Debunked as a relevant answer long ago, and that dismissal still applies.

Get some new material, ace.

[pilferk]

I struggle to recall the last time people were truly excited about this band.  The 2009-10 shows, maybe?  I don't know, I'm guessing.

I think the theater shows in 2012 generated a LOT of excitement (and quite a bit of press). They might be roughly on par with this...though this is getting more press because, IF it's all true......

Likewise, I think the Vegas residencies were exciting to a good number of folks....it's harder to gauge, IMHO, how "big" those were.

[Walapino]

'Cause silence isn't golden.... When I'm holding it inside?    Confirm it Axl!! Let the biggest tour in history rock our world 2016!