Tommy Stinson article - September 2, 2015

[D-GenerationX]

But you don't  KNOW that, you merely think that. It's a little harsh to arbitrarily label someone a liar.

I don't think its being said they are flat out liars.

Simply that they would sort of have to be if you want that narrative to work.

[kupirock]

What the hell is really going on  Some info from Axl wouldn't hurt at this point..

[D-GenerationX]

What the hell is really going on  Some info from Axl wouldn't hurt at this point..

Neither would finding a bag of cash in the street when I pick up my lunch.

Both have about an equal chance of happening, however.

[EmilyGNR]

Tommy, while promoting his project, said 'I didn't quit the band' and indiquate he is positive to keep going with GNR when/if asked.

What am I missing?

He actually didn't say he was positive he would go.

He said he'd have to consider it (aka think about it) if they offered.

That means..he's NOT positive he'd keep going.

It makes sense. Until he knows what the plans are, how can he say he'll be there for sure?




/jarmo

I don't buy that he doesn't know... and if he does know that there indeed isn't a plan yet... then Frank and Richard are liars... so which one is it?

When you consider that Frank and Tommy are currently working together, I don't buy that one knows and the other doesn't.

Why so quick to label people liars when you don't know the whole story and aren't privvy to details? Not Cool   

I think labeling them as liars is wrong... but I think the whole situation is curious to say the least.

When the news of DJ and Ron leaving officially hit, Ron was quick to say that he was in contact with Axl and things look good for 2016
Shortly that after Richard comments about how big things are coming in 2016 (admittedly this was after he made a comment not dissimilar to what Tommy just said).
Then Tommy in an interview uses past tense when talking GnR, intimates that he has reached out to the camp, yet got no info back.

There is either some crossed wires about what can and can't (should and shouldn't) be spoken about publicly, OR the two most junior (remaining) members of the band are more in the loop than the longest tenured member of any lineup not named Axl or Dizzy. Based on the info we have it is impossible to determine as fact what the situation is currently, but with the 'dots' we have been given you can connect them and they make a picture...

You raise some reasonable points Coma- and it does lead to speculation, I don't disagree there. I don't agree with calling, or labelling people as liars when all the details aren't public. Tecnically Ron quit last year in SA, so two members haven't left in quick succession as is implied by several.
I'm sure the conclusion jumping and the wild speculation will continue to proliferate until an Official statement is made, but I prefer to wait on that information or announcement.

[rebelhipi]

Btw this could just be complete coincidence and circumstance, but Duff has been very quiet the past few weeks.. no interviews, not many tweets or anything.. He's usually more "out there".

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/duff-mckagan-izzy-stradlin-new-album/

Duff is working on a new album with Izzy Stradlin of all people.

[EmilyGNR]

But you don't  KNOW that, you merely think that. It's a little harsh to arbitrarily label someone a liar.

I don't think its being said they are flat out liars.

Simply that they would sort of have to be if you want that narrative to work.

Calling someone a liar is pretty staightforward and needs no interpretation. I saw them labeled as liars not as quasi-liars or pseudo-liars .

[JAEBALL]

Btw this could just be complete coincidence and circumstance, but Duff has been very quiet the past few weeks.. no interviews, not many tweets or anything.. He's usually more "out there".

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/duff-mckagan-izzy-stradlin-new-album/

Duff is working on a new album with Izzy Stradlin of all people.

Yeah I remember that from a few weeks back, maybe Uncle Axl will like some of those songs.

[C0ma]

You raise some reasonable points Coma- and it does lead to speculation, I don't disagree there. I don't agree with calling, or labelling people as liars when all the details aren't public. Tecnically Ron quit last year in SA, so two members haven't left in quick succession as is implied by several.
I'm sure the conclusion jumping and the wild speculation will continue to proliferate until an Official statement is made, but I prefer to wait on that information or announcement.

While you are correct that Ron left a year ago, the band didn't officially recognize this with a public statement until after the DJ tweet (which by the way you wouldn't recognize Ron's departure until you got a statement), which is what really started this whole ball rolling down hill. Everything else has come in quick succession after that. Which leads me to the other point I have been trying to make, why does this band sit on information forever and hide from addressing things in the press? A lot of these conversations and media stories could get quickly validated or shot down and have momentum harnessed properly if they were transparent (hell even translucent) about what is going on.

[EmilyGNR]

Btw this could just be complete coincidence and circumstance, but Duff has been very quiet the past few weeks.. no interviews, not many tweets or anything.. He's usually more "out there".

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/duff-mckagan-izzy-stradlin-new-album/

Duff is working on a new album with Izzy Stradlin of all people.

This article is from August 6th, I realize it feeds into the online hysteria but I prefer to keep things in perspective.

[EmilyGNR]

You raise some reasonable points Coma- and it does lead to speculation, I don't disagree there. I don't agree with calling, or labelling people as liars when all the details aren't public. Tecnically Ron quit last year in SA, so two members haven't left in quick succession as is implied by several.
I'm sure the conclusion jumping and the wild speculation will continue to proliferate until an Official statement is made, but I prefer to wait on that information or announcement.

While you are correct that Ron left a year ago, the band didn't officially recognize this with a public statement until after the DJ tweet, which is what really started this whole ball rolling down hill. Everything else has come in quick succession after that. Which leads me to the other point I have been trying to make, why does this band sit on information forever and hide from addressing things in the press? A lot of these conversations and media stories could get quickly validated or shot down and have momentum harnessed properly if they were transparent (hell even translucent) about what is going on.

You make clear and coherent posts C0ma, I think we got off on the wrong foot initially.

Should the Ron situation have been handled differently? Possibly, but I don't think anyone was counting on him to be such a passive aggressive PR nightmare, taking cheap shots at the band both privately and publicly. Hindsight is 20/20 -

As far as transparency goes, I'm personally not a proponent of that approach, some private business matters are just that-private.The transparency concept largely took off and was popularized by the internet where people don't give a second thought to posting their private life online for all to see.

I'm sure some clarification will come in official form if everyone is just patient. Unfortunately, some thrive on drama and sensationalism- the tabloid journalism mentality is quite prevalent.

[rebelhipi]

You do realize that if this pans out, you may taking photos and touring with one of the biggest events in history.

possibly the biggest sellout ever

I found a friend 

[ROSE]

Oh Jesus!!! Here we go again. If's / Buts / Maybe's.

GNR Management please just confirm what the hell is going on with a facebook statement or whatever. How hard is it to just let the fans know whats going on?? The fans are the ones that buy the cd's / dvd's and buy the tickets without them you got nothing. Show a little respect for once.

I know its never going happen because its GNR. But miracles do happen.

[D-GenerationX]

Oh Jesus!!! Here we go again. If's / Buts / Maybe's.

GNR Management please just confirm what the hell is going on with a facebook statement or whatever. How hard is it to just let the fans know whats going on?? The fans are the ones that buy the cd's / dvd's and buy the tickets without them you got nothing. Show a little respect for once.

I know its never going happen because its GNR. But miracles do happen.

They will never chime in.  Their communication skills are a joke.

That might be the best thing to come of this if it happens,actually.  There will be people in the fold that actually talk to us.

The positive way to look at it is that, for once, perhaps there is a reason to stay mum.  If it comes out in 3 months there is some sort of reunion deal in place, but they couldn't say until it was all hammered out and signed off on, I can't imagine anyone will care.

Conversely, if nothing comes of any of this, there is no reunion, and all we get is some vague assurance they are "still trying to sift through the material" for a CD follow up, at that point...you throw up your hands.

[EmilyGNR]

Oh Jesus!!! Here we go again. If's / Buts / Maybe's.

GNR Management please just confirm what the hell is going on with a facebook statement or whatever. How hard is it to just let the fans know whats going on?? The fans are the ones that buy the cd's / dvd's and buy the tickets without them you got nothing. Show a little respect for once.

I know its never going happen because its GNR. But miracles do happen.

Shades of misguided entitlement issues here.

If you buy a ticket-you get a show
If you buy an album-you get to own a copy of the music.

Nobody honestly "owes" you any inside information on how things are run, business matters, or internal affairs.

When there is something to announce, it will be announced. When an update is ready, it will be relayed.

Pretty simple concept, and I know it isn't what you want to hear, but it is the truth.

"All we need is just a little patience."

[rebelhipi]

I think that they learned their lesson about giving announcements too early when Chinese Democracy was due to come out in the summer of 2000.

[pilferk]

It makes sense. Until he knows what the plans are, how can he say he'll be there for sure?

/jarmo

100% agree.  I was just pointing out the difference in what was said vs what norway SAID was said.  The exact verbage is different.

[pilferk]

I don't buy that he doesn't know... and if he does know that there indeed isn't a plan yet... then Frank and Richard are liars... so which one is it?

When you consider that Frank and Tommy are currently working together, I don't buy that one knows and the other doesn't.

I disagree.

I think you can be at a place where everyone is telling the truth, based on their level of comfort with knowing what's going on.

Frank and Richard have heard enough to get them excited.  They might not have exact specifics, though.

Tommy has heard the same things (through whatever source...directly or indirectly) but without the specifics HE isn't comfortable commenting.  Also, IF (note I'm going to use that word a lot in reference to his status) he has sort of, kind of, left the band, then he probably carries a modicum of professionalism and isn't going to share what information he DOES have.  He's not lying.  He simply doesn't have enough information to comment categorically and what info he does have he feels isn't his to share.  I think that's a perfectly legit "I really don't know what's going on, exactly" use of phrasing.

[TheBaconman]

I don't buy that he doesn't know... and if he does know that there indeed isn't a plan yet... then Frank and Richard are liars... so which one is it?

When you consider that Frank and Tommy are currently working together, I don't buy that one knows and the other doesn't.

I disagree.

I think you can be at a place where everyone is telling the truth, based on their level of comfort with knowing what's going on.

Frank and Richard have heard enough to get them excited.  They might not have exact specifics, though.

Tommy has heard the same things (through whatever source...directly or indirectly) but without the specifics HE isn't comfortable commenting.  Also, IF (note I'm going to use that word a lot in reference to his status) he has sort of, kind of, left the band, then he probably carries a modicum of professionalism and isn't going to share what information he DOES have.  He's not lying.  He simply doesn't have enough information to comment categorically and what info he does have he feels isn't his to share.  I think that's a perfectly legit "I really don't know what's going on, exactly" use of phrasing.

I agree with this totally

With Tommy  I am pretty sure he knows a lot of what is going on and just doesnt want to comment on it.  Its the approach of saying "I dont know", just to change the subject and to get out of talking about something.

[ROSE]

Oh Jesus!!! Here we go again. If's / Buts / Maybe's.

GNR Management please just confirm what the hell is going on with a facebook statement or whatever. How hard is it to just let the fans know whats going on?? The fans are the ones that buy the cd's / dvd's and buy the tickets without them you got nothing. Show a little respect for once.

I know its never going happen because its GNR. But miracles do happen.

Shades of misguided entitlement issues here.

If you buy a ticket-you get a show
If you buy an album-you get to own a copy of the music.

Nobody honestly "owes" you any inside information on how things are run, business matters, or internal affairs.

When there is something to announce, it will be announced. When an update is ready, it will be relayed.

Pretty simple concept, and I know it isn't what you want to hear, but it is the truth.

"All we need is just a little patience."

No shades of misguided entitlement issues here. I'm an adult, I know how things work. All I was saying is that how crap GNR in general treat their fans. I think almost everybody here will agree with that. I get it they cant make a big announcement like a reunion etc. until everything is done, but just say we are working on getting something together an album / tour whatever. Everything with GNR is so secret.

Look I guess we will find out somewhere down the line.

[EmilyGNR]

I don't buy that he doesn't know... and if he does know that there indeed isn't a plan yet... then Frank and Richard are liars... so which one is it?

When you consider that Frank and Tommy are currently working together, I don't buy that one knows and the other doesn't.

I disagree.

I think you can be at a place where everyone is telling the truth, based on their level of comfort with knowing what's going on.

Frank and Richard have heard enough to get them excited.  They might not have exact specifics, though.

Tommy has heard the same things (through whatever source...directly or indirectly) but without the specifics HE isn't comfortable commenting.  Also, IF (note I'm going to use that word a lot in reference to his status) he has sort of, kind of, left the band, then he probably carries a modicum of professionalism and isn't going to share what information he DOES have.  He's not lying.  He simply doesn't have enough information to comment categorically and what info he does have he feels isn't his to share.  I think that's a perfectly legit "I really don't know what's going on, exactly" use of phrasing.

Great post Pilferk! Everyone sees events and issues from their own perspective, so you have different facets of the truth and all are valid points.

It isn't necessary, professional nor helpful to blurt out everything you know, especially when it may be in flux.