Tommy Stinson article - September 2, 2015

[FunkyMonkey]

You said his contract/time can be up.  He said he didn't quit or walk away.  Are you suggesting they are bringing in Duff and there're not letting Tommy know about it?

The band went on hiatus after the shows in Vegas.  Tommy has reached out but still doesn't know what is going on.  Richard said the same thing a couple months ago.

Saying he'll "consider it" sounds like it's coming from someone who's very frustrated with the situation.  And unsure what plans if any Axl has for the future.

[rebelhipi]

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Frank is playing drums at these shows.

[LongGoneDay]

Tommy seems like a cool enough cat, but if he?s out, it?s not like his departure would exactly be derailing a freight train of production.
GN?R seems dead in the water.

If Tommy is out to make way for Duff, Slash and company, I think that?s the best news GN?R fans could hope for.
I say that because if Duff and Slash were to come back in to the fold, it must mean that Axl is serious about getting back to work.

Duff & Slash weren?t willing back in the 90?s to sit around and twiddle their thumbs while waiting to see if Axl was gonna decide to show up for work that day, and I don?t see them being cool with it now.
So if they are considering rejoining, maybe it means that creative fire has returned, or at least an understanding that they will all actually show up to work to find out.

[sky dog]

I don't think all of a sudden Axl is gonna change his work habits...not for Slash not for anyone. He is too long in the tooth now to change too much.

[GeorgeSteele]

Pilferk is right,

In what? That Tommy is out of the band? We'll see about that.

1) Pilferk thinks it's POSSIBLE Tommy is out of the band.  Lets at least portray my opinion the right way. I also view that separately from any reunion talk because one doesn't instantly mean the other.

2) She's very clear on what she thinks I'm right about...so the convenient clip of the quote is sort of misleading...no offense.

Pilferk is right, Tommy clearly mentions leaving it in Vegas- nobody anywhere used the phrase 'kicked out' so I don't know how that is relevant.

George is getting upset.

[pilferk]

You said his contract/time can be up.  He said he didn't quit or walk away.  Are you suggesting they are bringing in Duff and there're not letting Tommy know about it?

Yup, cause your time being up wouldn't be A) quitting or B) walking away. Not in my interpretation.  Because it requires no action from you, actually. It's a different ending than either of the two he mentions, and very much coincides with "We left it in Vegas".  Maybe a bunch of contracts expired during their planned (if it was definitively planned) hiatus.  I don't think that's any different jumping off point, really, than we're using now.

Nope, Duff has nothing to do with it and is a completely separate conversation.

The band went on hiatus after the shows in Vegas.  Tommy has reached out but still doesn't know what is going on.  Richard said the same thing a couple months ago.

And now says something different.  So...if they're both reaching out...Richard is getting information and Tommy isn't/hasn't.  Correct? We agree on that point?

So now the discussion is why might that be.  Your opinion that it's because Tommy hadn't groused to the media yet is no better, or worse, founded (given the information that we have) than the one that it's because Tommy's out, and so not part of the plans in question.

Saying he'll "consider it" sounds like it's coming from someone who's very frustrated with the situation.  And unsure what plans if any Axl has for the future.

If you like...but then you're reading into his words as much (if not more) than the rest of us.  I'm taking it, logically, from what he actually said.  I don't think that yours is any more likely an interpretation than the others posited here.

If I'm a contracted member of an organization, and they call me.....there isn't much "consideration" on my part.  Unless I want to leave/have that contract terminated.  And, to boot, you don't have to say "Of course, I'd consider it"...because it's understood that you join when that organization has plans.  You only need add that bit if it's not assumed you would be there...and the only way that is is if you aren't a member anymore.

But I guess now we can split some other hairs,too, based on your interpretation:  Either Tommy's out, or he would consider being out, based on any plans presented to him.

[pilferk]

George is getting upset.

I'm sorry George.  I have some turnbuckle I could let you chew on.  Maybe could send you some old pics of Miss Elizabeth (or...you know...still too soon?).

[jarmo]

George is getting upset.

Serenity now!


All this speculation is fun and all, but until there's a definite answer, it's open to your personal interpretation.
Some obviously lean one way, and others another....




/jarmo

[pilferk]

George is getting upset.

Serenity now!


All this speculation is fun and all, but until there's a definite answer, it's open to your personal interpretation.
Some obviously lean one way, and others another....




/jarmo

I couldn't possibly agree any more!

[GeorgeSteele]

George is getting upset.

I'm sorry George.  I have some turnbuckle I could let you chew on.  Maybe could send you some old pics of Miss Elizabeth (or...you know...still too soon?).

   Sure, and a razor for my back hair would be nice too.

On topic, my 2 cents on this speculation is that Tommy would most likely come back if asked; my take on his 'I'd consider it' posture is just a signal that he'd like a fair amount of advance notice if and when things do kick up again.

[D-GenerationX]

George is getting upset.

Serenity now!

Hahaha

Braun's phone wasn't even plugged in.  He just liked ringing that bell.

All this speculation is fun and all, but until there's a definite answer, it's open to your personal interpretation.
Some obviously lean one way, and others another....

Yeah, its something to kick around.  Fills time.

[ITARocker]

Reading between the lines, he's out

[Virolec]

I think he's more likely out than in.  We've heard band members talk about there being big things in the works for next year - and assuming that this is indeed so, you'd imagine that things were at at least an advanced enough stage that band members knew whether they would be needed for touring (with or without a new record) or if they were free to work on other things.  It's already September, and even if (for instance) the summer festivals in Europe aren't booked up yet, surely most of the bands playing at them know which ones they're likely to play by now.  For a still-relatively-big band like Guns N' Roses, which is likely to play decently-sized venues in most countries (not stadia, sure, but surely between 5-10,000 capacity arenas), this stuff surely has to be worked out pretty well in advance in terms of venue hire, promotion, stage set etc.  Tommy wouldn't be involved in that planning, but the band management would have to know if he was available. 

Of course, it could be that the big things slated for next year don't need to involve the bass player, and he's still in their plans in a general sense for other things. 

It's all speculation, of course.  We can wait for official confirmation from the band, but I don't expect that to be forthcoming soon (as far as I can tell, the official website doesn't even say anything about Ron and DJ having left, or any kind of information at all as to who is in the band - which doesn't help the general impression that this is Axl + other dudes nobody cares about, but that's another matter).  We'll find out when we find out.  It's all rather frustrating, but I suppose we're all used to it by now.

[EmilyGNR]

You said his contract/time can be up.  He said he didn't quit or walk away.  Are you suggesting they are bringing in Duff and there're not letting Tommy know about it?

The band went on hiatus after the shows in Vegas.  Tommy has reached out but still doesn't know what is going on.  Richard said the same thing a couple months ago.

Saying he'll "consider it" sounds like it's coming from someone who's very frustrated with the situation.  And unsure what plans if any Axl has for the future.

I don't see a frustration suggested there at all, but perhaps my mystery internet tarot cards are a different deck than you have.  

[FunkyMonkey]

You said his contract/time can be up.  He said he didn't quit or walk away.  Are you suggesting they are bringing in Duff and there're not letting Tommy know about it?

The band went on hiatus after the shows in Vegas.  Tommy has reached out but still doesn't know what is going on.  Richard said the same thing a couple months ago.

Saying he'll "consider it" sounds like it's coming from someone who's very frustrated with the situation.  And unsure what plans if any Axl has for the future.

I don't see a frustration suggested there at all, but perhaps my mystery internet tarot cards are a different deck than you have.  

It's called reading.

[FunkyMonkey]

Maybe a bunch of contracts expired during their planned (if it was definitively planned) hiatus.  

Now the hiatus wasn't planned?

So...if they're both reaching out...Richard is getting information and Tommy isn't/hasn't.  Correct? We agree on that point?

So now the discussion is why might that be.  Your opinion that it's because Tommy hadn't groused to the media yet is no better, or worse, founded (given the information that we have) than the one that it's because Tommy's out, and so not part of the plans in question.

Yeah.  Richard didn't know what was going on either until he made headlines saying so.  Maybe Tommy has gotten a call now as well...

GUNS N' ROSES Guitarist RICHARD FORTUS Says Band's Current Status Is 'Pretty Up In The Air'

July 21, 2015

"The last I heard they wanted to finish up the recordings that we have and put them out next year and start touring. But it has been a while since I've heard from anybody in that camp as far as management or Axl. So I really don't know."

July 27, 2015

RF: Yeah, there are no immediate plans for Guns N? Roses. I have heard from our management that next year we?re going to be working. I?m hoping we?ll have an album out next year. That would be great! Then we are supposed to be doing some touring. Until then, I?m staying focused on The Dead Daisies!

Nope, Duff has nothing to do with it and is a completely separate conversation.

You keep saying "Tommy is out".  If he didn't quit, and he didn't walk away.  Then Axl has let Tommy go?  And the only reason I see for him doing that would be to make way for Duff?

[EmilyGNR]

You said his contract/time can be up.  He said he didn't quit or walk away.  Are you suggesting they are bringing in Duff and there're not letting Tommy know about it?

The band went on hiatus after the shows in Vegas.  Tommy has reached out but still doesn't know what is going on.  Richard said the same thing a couple months ago.

Saying he'll "consider it" sounds like it's coming from someone who's very frustrated with the situation.  And unsure what plans if any Axl has for the future.

I don't see a frustration suggested there at all, but perhaps my mystery internet tarot cards are a different deck than you have.  

It's called reading.

No, wrong terminology, you are clearly interpreting that supposed frustration. I don't see it.

[FunkyMonkey]

I don't see it.

Not surprised.

[EmilyGNR]

I don't see it.

Not surprised.

Why a partial quote? I find those can be misleading.

This is what you posted-

 " Tommy has reached out but still doesn't know what is going on.  Richard said the same thing a couple months ago.
Saying he'll "consider it" sounds like it's coming from someone who's very frustrated with the situation.  And unsure what plans if any Axl has for the future."

How do you get "frustrated" from him saying he will consider it? Seems a stretch to me to put that spin on it.

[FunkyMonkey]

He's saying he's reached out, a year later he doesn't know what is going on.  If he were 100% on board he wouldn't have to think about it.

Same frustrations most of the band members have had at some point.