What's your viewpoint on a reunion?

[JAEBALL]

There always needs to be a villain to the people around here and Steven always makes himself a top candidate!

I hope Matt gets the seat. The image of the band on the Rolling Stone cover with Matt, Dizzy and the core four is always the image of GNR for me.

But the absolute venom some of you guys have and lack of appreciation for Stevens contributions is puzzling to me.

To the question why Slash hasn't included him in VR and with the Conspirators .. I think it's pretty simple...

Steven was not at all functional during that time VR started, and Slash and Duff were very tight with Matt, and with the Conspirators, I don't think Slash wanted any members of his previous band's involved.

You guys don't like Steven because he has said nasty things in the press about Axl and the "new guys" and he is a terrible addict, and probably always will be. Not much else to it.

And in closing.. I repeat.. I prefer Matt Sorum, but I respect that some people want the original 5 only.

Don't be such a drama queen. Just because I love Steven's contributions to Guns' and vastly prefer his playing style to Matt's doesn't mean I'm going to sit here and wax poetic about the guy or advocate him being a part of a reunion when he comes across as nuttier than a pecan log. LongDayGone keeps reminding us ad nauseum "that it's only rock n' roll" and "Steven is pure rock n' roll, man" and yet not one rock n' roll band on the planet has reached out to recruit Steven since 1990? 

Who the fuck is the drama queen?

me or the people who don't want a guy who drinks and does drugs in their rock n roll band?

If you'd rather have Frank Ferrer play the drums for the GNR reunion tour... god bless you. Don't know what else to say.

[JAEBALL]

I now miss the days of Slash being Public Enemy #1 on here. lol

[AxlsMainMan]

There always needs to be a villain to the people around here and Steven always makes himself a top candidate!

I hope Matt gets the seat. The image of the band on the Rolling Stone cover with Matt, Dizzy and the core four is always the image of GNR for me.

But the absolute venom some of you guys have and lack of appreciation for Stevens contributions is puzzling to me.

To the question why Slash hasn't included him in VR and with the Conspirators .. I think it's pretty simple...

Steven was not at all functional during that time VR started, and Slash and Duff were very tight with Matt, and with the Conspirators, I don't think Slash wanted any members of his previous band's involved.

You guys don't like Steven because he has said nasty things in the press about Axl and the "new guys" and he is a terrible addict, and probably always will be. Not much else to it.

And in closing.. I repeat.. I prefer Matt Sorum, but I respect that some people want the original 5 only.

Don't be such a drama queen. Just because I love Steven's contributions to Guns' and vastly prefer his playing style to Matt's doesn't mean I'm going to sit here and wax poetic about the guy or advocate him being a part of a reunion when he comes across as nuttier than a pecan log. LongDayGone keeps reminding us ad nauseum "that it's only rock n' roll" and "Steven is pure rock n' roll, man" and yet not one rock n' roll band on the planet has reached out to recruit Steven since 1990? 

Who the fuck is the drama queen?

me or the people who don't want a guy who drinks and does drugs in their rock n roll band?

If you'd rather have Frank Ferrer play the drums for the GNR reunion tour... god bless you. Don't know what else to say.

You're the one talking about "villains" as if this were a Young and the Restless message board. Once again, I'm to believe there isn't a rock n' roll band on the planet tolerant of drinking and drugs that could've provided Steven with a gig post-1990? Can you please a provide quote where I said anything about Frank?

[JAEBALL]

There always needs to be a villain to the people around here and Steven always makes himself a top candidate!

I hope Matt gets the seat. The image of the band on the Rolling Stone cover with Matt, Dizzy and the core four is always the image of GNR for me.

But the absolute venom some of you guys have and lack of appreciation for Stevens contributions is puzzling to me.

To the question why Slash hasn't included him in VR and with the Conspirators .. I think it's pretty simple...

Steven was not at all functional during that time VR started, and Slash and Duff were very tight with Matt, and with the Conspirators, I don't think Slash wanted any members of his previous band's involved.

You guys don't like Steven because he has said nasty things in the press about Axl and the "new guys" and he is a terrible addict, and probably always will be. Not much else to it.

And in closing.. I repeat.. I prefer Matt Sorum, but I respect that some people want the original 5 only.

Don't be such a drama queen. Just because I love Steven's contributions to Guns' and vastly prefer his playing style to Matt's doesn't mean I'm going to sit here and wax poetic about the guy or advocate him being a part of a reunion when he comes across as nuttier than a pecan log. LongDayGone keeps reminding us ad nauseum "that it's only rock n' roll" and "Steven is pure rock n' roll, man" and yet not one rock n' roll band on the planet has reached out to recruit Steven since 1990? 

Who the fuck is the drama queen?

me or the people who don't want a guy who drinks and does drugs in their rock n roll band?

If you'd rather have Frank Ferrer play the drums for the GNR reunion tour... god bless you. Don't know what else to say.

You're the one talking about "villains" as if this were a Young and the Restless message board. Once again, I'm to believe there isn't a rock n' roll band on the planet tolerant of drinking and drugs that could've provided Steven with a gig post-1990? Can you please a provide quote where I said anything about Frank?

Well then I'm asking you... next time there is a Guns N Roses show.. and for arguments sake let's say Slash and Duff are in the band... who do you want to play drums?

I'm on record... my preference is Matt.

Your point about Seven not working with other musicians is taken, all I'm saying is, that doesn't matter to me. I still appreciate his work and hand in forming the band we are all here to discuss.

[AxlsMainMan]

There always needs to be a villain to the people around here and Steven always makes himself a top candidate!

I hope Matt gets the seat. The image of the band on the Rolling Stone cover with Matt, Dizzy and the core four is always the image of GNR for me.

But the absolute venom some of you guys have and lack of appreciation for Stevens contributions is puzzling to me.

To the question why Slash hasn't included him in VR and with the Conspirators .. I think it's pretty simple...

Steven was not at all functional during that time VR started, and Slash and Duff were very tight with Matt, and with the Conspirators, I don't think Slash wanted any members of his previous band's involved.

You guys don't like Steven because he has said nasty things in the press about Axl and the "new guys" and he is a terrible addict, and probably always will be. Not much else to it.

And in closing.. I repeat.. I prefer Matt Sorum, but I respect that some people want the original 5 only.

Don't be such a drama queen. Just because I love Steven's contributions to Guns' and vastly prefer his playing style to Matt's doesn't mean I'm going to sit here and wax poetic about the guy or advocate him being a part of a reunion when he comes across as nuttier than a pecan log. LongDayGone keeps reminding us ad nauseum "that it's only rock n' roll" and "Steven is pure rock n' roll, man" and yet not one rock n' roll band on the planet has reached out to recruit Steven since 1990? 

Who the fuck is the drama queen?

me or the people who don't want a guy who drinks and does drugs in their rock n roll band?

If you'd rather have Frank Ferrer play the drums for the GNR reunion tour... god bless you. Don't know what else to say.

You're the one talking about "villains" as if this were a Young and the Restless message board. Once again, I'm to believe there isn't a rock n' roll band on the planet tolerant of drinking and drugs that could've provided Steven with a gig post-1990? Can you please a provide quote where I said anything about Frank?

Well then I'm asking you... next time there is a Guns N Roses show.. and for arguments sake let's say Slash and Duff are in the band... who do you want to play drums?

I'm on record... my preference is Matt.

Your point about Seven not working with other musicians is taken, all I'm saying is, that doesn't matter to me. I still appreciate his work and hand in forming the band we are all here to discuss.

In a perfect world where Steven had gotten his shit together and was trustworthy and reliable, he'd probably be my first choice in a heartbeat. A couple of my friends and I were actually talking a few weeks ago how it would be great to have Matt wiped off the UYI albums and to pay Steven to lay his own drum track down on those albums as none of us really care for Matt's playing style on those albums much at all.

As we sadly don't live in a perfect world, Brain would probably be my first choice to be behind the kit for a reunion tour. For me, Brain provided an awesome combination of Steven's sense of swing and groove with the powerful playing style of Matt. However, between him enjoying fatherhood and now having a very successful production company, I realize that's probably not all that likely and I'll have to make due with Matt or Frank.

[LongGoneDay]

It clearly states Steven didnt write one "goddamn note"

Yeah, AXL stated that.  Slash strongly refuted that entire story in his book -- part of which I just quoted above!  You really DON'T read anything do you?

You clearly don't read much yourself as you and the other Steven fanboys were asked at least half a dozen times to explain how Steven is such an an awe-inspiring drummer vital to the very essence of Guns N' Roses, and yet Slash, Duff, Izzy, and pretty much every recording artist on the planet have by and large avoided him since 1990. Steven even says Slash won't even have a cup of coffee with him and yet I'm to believe Slash is simply dying to record and tour with Steven? 

Steven was perfect for GN?R, until his addictions hindered his ability to perform.
Slash, Izzy and Duff are all on record stating his importance, and how the band was never the same after he left.
You don?t have to do much digging to find it was the beginning of the end of the band.
Both Slash and Izzy have said as much.
You will have to excuse me, and some other posters that choose to believe the words of the guys who were there over yourself, and others who were not.

As you may recall, Slash, Izzy, and Duff left GN?R some time ago.
Just because Steven was perfect for Guns N? Roses before his addiction took hold, doesn?t mean he was perfect for their projects that followed, afterwards.
I don?t think it?s too far fetched to believe their relationship was fractured, since Steven, regardless of wether or not warranted, felt wronged/abandoned.

Plus it seems some are ignoring the fact that Slash, Duff and Izzy have all in fact worked with Steven post GN?R.

No one has explained to me why Guns N? Roses ceased functioning as a creative entity after Steven and Izzy?s departure.
It seems it is really difficult for some to accept the fact that the success Guns N? Roses found with was due to a team effort.

[JAEBALL]

There always needs to be a villain to the people around here and Steven always makes himself a top candidate!

I hope Matt gets the seat. The image of the band on the Rolling Stone cover with Matt, Dizzy and the core four is always the image of GNR for me.

But the absolute venom some of you guys have and lack of appreciation for Stevens contributions is puzzling to me.

To the question why Slash hasn't included him in VR and with the Conspirators .. I think it's pretty simple...

Steven was not at all functional during that time VR started, and Slash and Duff were very tight with Matt, and with the Conspirators, I don't think Slash wanted any members of his previous band's involved.

You guys don't like Steven because he has said nasty things in the press about Axl and the "new guys" and he is a terrible addict, and probably always will be. Not much else to it.

And in closing.. I repeat.. I prefer Matt Sorum, but I respect that some people want the original 5 only.

Don't be such a drama queen. Just because I love Steven's contributions to Guns' and vastly prefer his playing style to Matt's doesn't mean I'm going to sit here and wax poetic about the guy or advocate him being a part of a reunion when he comes across as nuttier than a pecan log. LongDayGone keeps reminding us ad nauseum "that it's only rock n' roll" and "Steven is pure rock n' roll, man" and yet not one rock n' roll band on the planet has reached out to recruit Steven since 1990? 

Who the fuck is the drama queen?

me or the people who don't want a guy who drinks and does drugs in their rock n roll band?

If you'd rather have Frank Ferrer play the drums for the GNR reunion tour... god bless you. Don't know what else to say.

You're the one talking about "villains" as if this were a Young and the Restless message board. Once again, I'm to believe there isn't a rock n' roll band on the planet tolerant of drinking and drugs that could've provided Steven with a gig post-1990? Can you please a provide quote where I said anything about Frank?

Well then I'm asking you... next time there is a Guns N Roses show.. and for arguments sake let's say Slash and Duff are in the band... who do you want to play drums?

I'm on record... my preference is Matt.

Your point about Seven not working with other musicians is taken, all I'm saying is, that doesn't matter to me. I still appreciate his work and hand in forming the band we are all here to discuss.

In a perfect world where Steven had gotten his shit together and was trustworthy and reliable, he'd probably be my first choice in a heartbeat. A couple of my friends and I were actually talking a few weeks ago how it would be great to have Matt wiped off the UYI albums and to pay Steven to lay his own drum track down on those albums as none of us really care for Matt's playing style on those albums much at all.

As we sadly don't live in a perfect world, Brain would probably be my first choice to be behind the kit for a reunion tour. For me, Brain provided an awesome combination of Steven's sense of swing and groove with the powerful playing style of Matt. However, between him enjoying fatherhood and now having a very successful production company, I realize that's probably not all that likely and I'll have to make due with Matt or Frank.

Ok. That's all fair. I can't agree that I'd like to see Brain play with the Appetite/ Illusions players, but c'est la vie.

[AxlsMainMan]

As you may recall, Slash, Izzy, and Duff left GN?R some time ago.
Just because Steven was perfect for Guns N? Roses before his addiction took hold, doesn?t mean he was perfect for their projects that followed, afterwards.
I don?t think it?s too far fetched to believe their relationship was fractured, since Steven, regardless of wether or not warranted, felt wronged/abandoned.

Izzy, Duff and Slash don't constitute the entire genre of rock n' roll. Why has Steven - legendary and irreplaceable original Gn'R drummer - been unable to find notable work with a single rock act post-1990, even more so now that he claims to be well and sober? While he probably makes an okay living off of AFD royalties, you're telling me he wouldn't have taken a gig with another rock act should they have reached out to him?

No one has explained to me why Guns N? Roses ceased functioning as a creative entity after Steven and Izzy?s departure.
It seems it is really difficult for some to accept the fact that the success Guns N? Roses found with was due to a team effort.

Vast sums of cash, mountains of cocaine, and musical differences come to mind. If you compare Chinese Democracy to any of Slash's solo work it's not really rocket science to see musical differences likely developed between the two of them.

[sky dog]

The band wasn't the same after Steven left? PLEASE.....horseshit. You are right, the band was much better.....went from a one trick pony to being able to do it all.

[sky dog]

and for the record I don't care what those junkies have said in the past....funny how none of them want to play with him now and when the bank opens for a reunion, I am quite sure they don't want to risk their millions for his involvement. Guest appearances at best or maybe plays a few songs a show like Mick Taylor did with the Stones.

Oh yeah, I have my new saying....there is the core four (Izzy, Axl, Slash and Duff) then there is the rest....ain't a reunion without the core four...just another hybrid.

[FunkyMonkey]

While he probably makes an okay living off of AFD royalties

Original GUNS N' ROSES Drummer STEVEN ADLER Buys Studio City House For $1.3 Million

February 20, 2015

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/original-guns-n-roses-drummer-steven-adler-buys-studio-city-house-for-1-3-million/

[DeN]

As far as Kurt Cobain's solo album, I think you are comparing apples to oranges. No effect on the rumored second half of CD.

if you're talking about the music & quality, it's equal to me. but I was talking about this big rock event,
Kurt is considered as the voice of his generation and his band as the major rock band from the last 30 years.

if I wanted to sell my LP, I would wait some time, that's big competition for the sells.

and you said "no effect", but you know that from who, exactly?

[LongGoneDay]

As you may recall, Slash, Izzy, and Duff left GN?R some time ago.
Just because Steven was perfect for Guns N? Roses before his addiction took hold, doesn?t mean he was perfect for their projects that followed, afterwards.
I don?t think it?s too far fetched to believe their relationship was fractured, since Steven, regardless of wether or not warranted, felt wronged/abandoned.

Izzy, Duff and Slash don't constitute the entire genre of rock n' roll. Why has Steven - legendary and irreplaceable original Gn'R drummer - been unable to find notable work with a single rock act post-1990, even more so now that he claims to be well and sober? While he probably makes an okay living off of AFD royalties, you're telling me he wouldn't have taken a gig with another rock act should they have reached out to him?

No one has explained to me why Guns N? Roses ceased functioning as a creative entity after Steven and Izzy?s departure.
It seems it is really difficult for some to accept the fact that the success Guns N? Roses found with was due to a team effort.

Vast sums of cash, mountains of cocaine, and musical differences come to mind. If you compare Chinese Democracy to any of Slash's solo work it's not really rocket science to see musical differences likely developed between the two of them.

For whatever reason, it doesn?t seem to be registering.
Steven Adler had a cocaine induced stroke. The guy was a fucking mess to put it mildly. His life post GN?R was in the shitter for a long time.
Maybe that?s why people weren?t lining up to play with him? Maybe they were, and he wasn?t physically or mentally able?
We don?t know.

Doesn?t diminish what he achieved before his addictions derailed his life.

[LongGoneDay]

The band wasn't the same after Steven left? PLEASE.....horseshit. You are right, the band was much better.....went from a one trick pony to being able to do it all.

Adler was involved in the creation of AFD, Lies, and the Illusions.
He demoed most, if not all of UYI's.

The albums he wasn't involved with are the albums that tanked by GN'Rs standards.

[LongGoneDay]

The argument is tired to say the least, so to sum it up, if Steven is healthy and able to perform at a high level, then I believe a combination of him and Matt are the obvious, and only real logical choice for a ?Reunion? tour.

If the band feels his playing isn?t up to par, fine.
Or if the feel it?s not in Steven?s best interest to be around that lifestyle due to risking his sobriety, I could understand that, even though he?s still around it, just on a much smaller level.

Inserting players like Frank and Richard comes across as half assed to me, and a sham of a reunion, if that is how it is being billed.
Is it still a hot ticket? Of course. No one is disputing that Slash and Axl alone will drastically increase ticket sales.
On a GN?R fan forum, I just assumed to see more interest/support for the other guys that made the band tick.

I don?t get the revisionist history of how Steven was just lucky to be there and anyone could do what he did, even when presented with facts to the contrary.
Also strange on a human level, that Guns N? Roses fans wouldn?t be rooting to see the most important drummer in the band?s history potentially get another chance to live out his dream.

[sky dog]

Well, I don't like poodles....that is about all I have to say about Steven. But, I am with you on the half ass reunion...that would be lame and the core four have to know that.

[D-GenerationX]

I don?t get the revisionist history of how Steven was just lucky to be there and anyone could do what he did, even when presented with facts to the contrary.
Also strange on a human level, that Guns N? Roses fans wouldn?t be rooting to see the most important drummer in the band?s history potentially get another chance to live out his dream.

Is it that?

Or is it the fact that it was going to take a miracle to have any sort of reunion.  But it that miracle does occur and Axl and Slash mend the fence, that's the hard part.

And if you told any of us that the price of an Axl/Slash reunion meant no more Steven, then...oh well.  Sorry, brah.

I can conceive no logical argument that I'm going to scrap an Axl/Slash/Duff reunion if I can't have Steven.  No fucking way in the world. 

I've been putting up with the DJ Ashbas and Ron Thals of the world for years.  I can roll with Matt Sorum in Steven's place.

[EmilyGNR]

Does he sound sober here?

 "I would climb to the toppest mountain"? 

https://youtu.be/rBuZOC1Prm0

[sofine11]

I don?t get the revisionist history of how Steven was just lucky to be there and anyone could do what he did, even when presented with facts to the contrary.
Also strange on a human level, that Guns N? Roses fans wouldn?t be rooting to see the most important drummer in the band?s history potentially get another chance to live out his dream.

Is it that?

Or is it the fact that it was going to take a miracle to have any sort of reunion.  But it that miracle does occur and Axl and Slash mend the fence, that's the hard part.

And if you told any of us that the price of an Axl/Slash reunion meant no more Steven, then...oh well.  Sorry, brah.

I can conceive no logical argument that I'm going to scrap an Axl/Slash/Duff reunion if I can't have Steven.  No fucking way in the world. 

I've been putting up with the DJ Ashbas and Ron Thals of the world for years.  I can roll with Matt Sorum in Steven's place.

Amazing, isn't it?  We may or may not be on the cusp of an Axl Rose & Slash reunion, something many, myself included, never thought would materialize.  And yet we still have a bunch of hard-asses saying "Nuh uh! Not without Steven Adler!! Duuuurrrrr".  Unreal.

[EmilyGNR]

you and the other Steven fanboys were asked at least half a dozen times to explain how Steven is such an an awe-inspiring drummer vital to the very essence of Guns N' Roses, and yet Slash, Duff, Izzy, and pretty much every recording artist on the planet have by and large avoided him since 1990.

Tumbleweed City, whenever this gets asked.

I posed the question multiple times.

Also- From 2009

Axl-
With 'Appetite,' for me the parts, playing, etc., timing flaws, whatever, are perfect, and as a moment in time for me, the whole record is. That said, the sound of the drums, which at the time in our niche of the woods was a bit of a bold statement and a somewhat successful effort to change things from the current flow at the time, and so may have been necessary but for me sound the most dated of anything there sound-wise (...) The public has no idea what went into Steven's parts and the notion of getting through songs in rehearsal if ever, with no exaggeration, was unfortunately a nightmare that neither I or Izzy could take, and eventually the others as well, though they lasted longer for other reasons [Axl interview by Del James, spinner.com, 2009]