Donald Trump & 2016 Election

[chineseblues]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hOky9LFO6o&feature=share

This is what fascism looks like.

I have no idea on the credibility of the young turks, but this crossed my view.

If true this would be unprecedented and illegal.  If we start to see some credible reporting on this and multiple news sources there may be something big here.

But until that happens,  it looks like BS to me.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-private-spies-deep-state-735091
https://nypost.com/2017/12/05/trump-reportedly-wants-secret-spy-network-to-combat-the-deep-state/
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/04/trump-white-house-weighing-plans-for-private-spies-to-counter-deep-state-enemies/
https://news.vice.com/story/trump-network-private-spies

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Looks like all unnamed sources. So far what I'm seeing after skimming these articles is that anyone that has gone on record with an actual name denies this is happening.

But a very bad idea if this really happened. Akin to the KGB.

[chineseblues]

Looks like all unnamed sources. So far what I'm seeing after skimming these articles is that anyone that has gone on record with an actual name denies this is happening.

But a very bad idea if this really happened. Akin to the KGB.

Of course it's unnamed sources. Do you think anyone in a position to actually know about this is going to go on record? If this is true that would be akin to signing their own death certificate. As far as I'm concerned black water should be destroyed. Why does America need private armies when they have the most powerful military in the world anyway?

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Looks like all unnamed sources. So far what I'm seeing after skimming these articles is that anyone that has gone on record with an actual name denies this is happening.

But a very bad idea if this really happened. Akin to the KGB.

Of course it's unnamed sources. Do you think anyone in a position to actually know about this is going to go on record? If this is true that would be akin to signing their own death certificate. As far as I'm concerned black water should be destroyed. Why does America need private armies when they have the most powerful military in the world anyway?

The private armies do things that the US military isn't allowed to do. It's an unfortunate loophole our government allows.  It's a bipartisan achievement.....

[chineseblues]

Looks like all unnamed sources. So far what I'm seeing after skimming these articles is that anyone that has gone on record with an actual name denies this is happening.

But a very bad idea if this really happened. Akin to the KGB.

Of course it's unnamed sources. Do you think anyone in a position to actually know about this is going to go on record? If this is true that would be akin to signing their own death certificate. As far as I'm concerned black water should be destroyed. Why does America need private armies when they have the most powerful military in the world anyway?

The private armies do things that the US military isn't allowed to do. It's an unfortunate loophole our government allows.  It's a bipartisan achievement.....

So your okay with private armies doing your governments bidding without any oversight of the people? If this news about a blackwater spy network is true that means trump could have them do anything he wants to anyone he wants. That's clearly taking pages out of his buddy putins play book.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Looks like all unnamed sources. So far what I'm seeing after skimming these articles is that anyone that has gone on record with an actual name denies this is happening.

But a very bad idea if this really happened. Akin to the KGB.

Of course it's unnamed sources. Do you think anyone in a position to actually know about this is going to go on record? If this is true that would be akin to signing their own death certificate. As far as I'm concerned black water should be destroyed. Why does America need private armies when they have the most powerful military in the world anyway?

The private armies do things that the US military isn't allowed to do. It's an unfortunate loophole our government allows.  It's a bipartisan achievement.....

So your okay with private armies doing your governments bidding without any oversight of the people? If this news about a blackwater spy network is true that means trump could have them do anything he wants to anyone he wants. That's clearly taking pages out of his buddy putins play book.

I'm shocked that you are saying this is Trump's fault.  BTW this shit has been going on long before he took office.

We shouldn't be using private armies. Kinda funny that we agree on something and you still have to argue about it......

[chineseblues]

Looks like all unnamed sources. So far what I'm seeing after skimming these articles is that anyone that has gone on record with an actual name denies this is happening.

But a very bad idea if this really happened. Akin to the KGB.

Of course it's unnamed sources. Do you think anyone in a position to actually know about this is going to go on record? If this is true that would be akin to signing their own death certificate. As far as I'm concerned black water should be destroyed. Why does America need private armies when they have the most powerful military in the world anyway?

The private armies do things that the US military isn't allowed to do. It's an unfortunate loophole our government allows.  It's a bipartisan achievement.....

So your okay with private armies doing your governments bidding without any oversight of the people? If this news about a blackwater spy network is true that means trump could have them do anything he wants to anyone he wants. That's clearly taking pages out of his buddy putins play book.

I'm shocked that you are saying this is Trump's fault.  BTW this shit has been going on long before he took office.

We shouldn't be using private armies. Kinda funny that we agree on something and you still have to argue about it......

Trump planning on starting a secret spy network using blackwater isn't trumps fault? Who's fault would it be?

I wasn't arguing with you, you never said whether you agreed with it or not which is why I asked. You guys sure do love to get offended by questions (are you a snowflake like your buddy sandman?)

[Dr. Blutarsky]

We have used private armies before Trump took office. We are talking about 2 different things here. Private army vs a spy network.

I don't agree with either.

[chineseblues]

We have used private armies before Trump took office. We are talking about 2 different things here. Private army vs a spy network.

I don't agree with either.

It's the same company in both instances. A company that has close ties to the trump admin.

[rebelhipi]

Yes private armies have existed before, but a private CIA is new.

this could get super similiar to Hitlers Gestapo.


On CNN and other so called ''anti trump'' media.  Its not anti trump. they are reporting whats going on in the world, its not their fault Trump is doing wacky things to put it mildly. They are just calling on it, like they should. Same goes for everybody else. They didint shut up about Hillarys emailgate. Why should they shutup about russia meddling with the election?

[Dr. Blutarsky]

On CNN and other so called ''anti trump'' media.  Its not anti trump. they are reporting whats going on in the world, its not their fault Trump is doing wacky things to put it mildly. They are just calling on it, like they should. Same goes for everybody else. They didint shut up about Hillarys emailgate. Why should they shutup about russia meddling with the election?

I certainly wouldn't put money on CNN reporting what is going on accurately. Yes, it isnt their fault when Trump acts wacky but it is their fault when they put out false information. As a whole, I don't buy into the theory that CNN as a whole is anti Trump, think they're looking for ratings more than anything else. But when it is at the expense of accurate reporting that's a problem. I think they have some reporters who certainly are anti Trump working for them and the network doesn't bother to vette the story before they put it out there.

7 Times CNN Botched The News In 2017

CNN has had a rough 2017 and it?s not even over yet. The news network has repeatedly made key errors when breaking big stories, only to get embarrassed when the facts come to light.

Here are seven times CNN botched the news in 2017.

Comey Testimony

CNN ran a story on June 6 that claimed former FBI Director James Comey would use his testimony the next day to refute President Donald Trump?s claim that Comey had assured him three separate times that he was not under FBI investigation. That story was debunked the same day when Comey?s prepared remarks were released to the public, showing that Comey would actually confirm, rather than refute, Trump?s assertion.

The botched story had four bylines, including those of three veteran journalists: anchor Jake Tapper, chief political analyst Gloria Borger and executive editor Eric Lichtblau, who had recently joined CNN from The New York Times. CNN was forced to rewrite the piece with a correction noting the error.

CNN Smears Scaramucci

Later that month, CNN.com published, deleted, and then retracted and apologized for an article that claimed Trump adviser Anthony Scaramucci was the subject of a Senate investigation for his ties to Russian bankers. After an intense public backlash, three key members of CNN?s investigative team resigned over their role in the retracted story. The network pulled its investigative team off the Russia story shortly afterwards. (RELATED: Wolf Blitzer Humiliates Colleague Over Quality Of Her White House Sources

CNN Spreads Fake News?About Fake News!

CNN was one of several establishment media outlets to spread fake news about a new study on Russian influence efforts in the United States. CNN cited the study, from the Oxford Internet Institute, to show that fake news targeted swing states during election week. But the study didn?t show that, as The Daily Caller first reported.

The study focused on ?junk news,? not ?fake news,? and then deliberately included conservative outlets like the Washington Examiner and Breitbart News in their definition of ?fake news.? CNN and other outlets included none of those facts, portraying a misleading picture to the public.

Republican Donor Did (Not) Fund The Dossier

CNN spread fake news to its viewers during a segment on the infamous anti-Trump dossier in October. While CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer discussed the dossier, the chyron on his show indicated that a Republican donor had initially funded the dossier. That is incorrect. The opposition research firm behind the dossier, Fusion GPS, had contracted with Republican donor Paul Singer for research on candidates including Trump, but that was unrelated to the controversial dossier.

Fake (Fish) News

During President Trump?s visit to Japan last month, CNN spread two false narratives about the president. The first false narrative was that Trump committed a faux pas while feeding Japanese koi fish by impatiently pouring out his entire box of fish food. CNN zoomed in close on Trump while he and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe were feeding the fish, appearing to show the president making the embarrassing mistake. The video went viral and Trump was mocked on social media.

Trump Is (Not) Ignorant Of Japanese Cars

In the second false narrative that CNN spread during Trump?s Japan visit, the network took the president?s words out of context to make him appear ignorant of the fact that Japan makes cars in the United States. ?Trump asks Japan to build cars in the U.S. It already does,? CNN Money?s Daniel Shane wrote.

As TheDC?s Alex Pfeiffer noted at the time, Trump?s full remarks ? which Shane left out ? clearly showed that Trump was aware of the fact that Japan makes cars in the U.S. His remark, which CNN took seriously, appeared to be a joke.

CNN Botches Another ?Bombshell?

CNN Botches Another ?Bombshell on Friday when it reported that Donald Trump Jr. and the Trump campaign had received advanced access to stolen emails published by WikiLeaks. The network hyped the story as a bombshell for most of the day before TheDC?s Chuck Ross debunked it, revealing several serious errors with the story.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/7-times-cnn-botched-the-news-in-2017/

[chineseblues]

I bet you love Fox News though which literally perpetuates fake news every day.

[pilferk]

The point I was trying to make was they all came out during the campaign. Now that the campaign is over, where are they?

Fly by post vacation response:

Apparently, today, they are testifying before Congress and are contemplating a law suit, en masse, against the president.

The real news is Stanton going to the Yankees, though.

[pilferk]

yearbook was fraud. taints the entire case against moore.

Except, it's not.  Fake News (even Fox has acknowledged it's not fake).

She added notes and a date (which is what she's said all along) so she'd remember who the fuck he was.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

yearbook was fraud. taints the entire case against moore.

Except, it's not.  Fake News (even Fox has acknowledged it's not fake).

She added notes and a date (which is what she's said all along) so she'd remember who the fuck he was.

Ithe doesn't add up to me that she sat on this for 40 years and had to make notes to remind herself where and when that was written down. I do not think she is lying but it smells like she intentionally waited till it would cause the most damage.

In any event on Wednesday Jones will be the senator from Alabama. 

[pilferk]

yearbook was fraud. taints the entire case against moore.

Except, it's not.  Fake News (even Fox has acknowledged it's not fake).

She added notes and a date (which is what she's said all along) so she'd remember who the fuck he was.

Ithe doesn't add up to me that she sat on this for 40 years and had to make notes to remind herself where and when that was written down. I do not think she is lying but it smells like she intentionally waited till it would cause the most damage.

In any event on Wednesday Jones will be the senator from Alabama. 

But Franken's accuser, who sat on the photo and story, for 11 years, who never uttered a word of it to anyone...that doesn't seem convenient or for political reasons? THAT you don't question, though?  To be clear: I think Franken should have resigned. I believe his accuser (even though he didn't "touch" her...the photo is distasteful).   And I've never actually questioned her timing...because it doesn't matter.  What he did was wrong.  Period. 

I've no earthly clue what Moore's accusers motivations are/were.  Maybe they were political, maybe they weren't. Maybe they were based on achieving maximum vengence.  Maybe somebody finally just asked her/them (she's apparently shared the story over the years with friends, as have others).  But it doesn't matter.  It was wrong.  It's still wrong.  And there's enough evidence, IMHO, to make it seem a pattern of behavior.

That's all that matters.  It's all that should matter. 

To see that get twisted around into other topics, or excuse it because of "motivation", or whatever is just people trying to justify their echo chamber.  And that's not really directed at you....mostly.  But the question is very simple: Do you believe them? If you do, nothing else matters.  If you don't, but find yourself believing other accusations leveled at members of the opposing ideology....it might be time to do some internal re-evaluating.

OK, back to baseball news and the Xmas tree.

[sandman]

yearbook was fraud. taints the entire case against moore.

Except, it's not.  Fake News (even Fox has acknowledged it's not fake).

She added notes and a date (which is what she's said all along) so she'd remember who the fuck he was.

Ithe doesn't add up to me that she sat on this for 40 years and had to make notes to remind herself where and when that was written down. I do not think she is lying but it smells like she intentionally waited till it would cause the most damage.

In any event on Wednesday Jones will be the senator from Alabama. 

I say moore wins comfortably, despite what the fake polls are saying.

[chineseblues]

yearbook was fraud. taints the entire case against moore.

Except, it's not.  Fake News (even Fox has acknowledged it's not fake).

She added notes and a date (which is what she's said all along) so she'd remember who the fuck he was.

Ithe doesn't add up to me that she sat on this for 40 years and had to make notes to remind herself where and when that was written down. I do not think she is lying but it smells like she intentionally waited till it would cause the most damage.

In any event on Wednesday Jones will be the senator from Alabama. 

I say moore wins comfortably, despite what the fake polls are saying.

Honest question, how do you even manage to live your life when literally everything that goes against your ideology is fake news to you? I really do not understand it at all, how can you dismiss literally all the evidence against these people?

[sandman]

yearbook was fraud. taints the entire case against moore.

Except, it's not.  Fake News (even Fox has acknowledged it's not fake).

She added notes and a date (which is what she's said all along) so she'd remember who the fuck he was.

Ithe doesn't add up to me that she sat on this for 40 years and had to make notes to remind herself where and when that was written down. I do not think she is lying but it smells like she intentionally waited till it would cause the most damage.

In any event on Wednesday Jones will be the senator from Alabama. 

I say moore wins comfortably, despite what the fake polls are saying.

Honest question, how do you even manage to live your life when literally everything that goes against your ideology is fake news to you? I really do not understand it at all, how can you dismiss literally all the evidence against these people?

You?d be jealous if you knew how i lived my life. I?m one of the happiest people you could ever meet. You should try it sometime rather than drowning in misery.

[chineseblues]

yearbook was fraud. taints the entire case against moore.

Except, it's not.  Fake News (even Fox has acknowledged it's not fake).

She added notes and a date (which is what she's said all along) so she'd remember who the fuck he was.

Ithe doesn't add up to me that she sat on this for 40 years and had to make notes to remind herself where and when that was written down. I do not think she is lying but it smells like she intentionally waited till it would cause the most damage.

In any event on Wednesday Jones will be the senator from Alabama. 

I say moore wins comfortably, despite what the fake polls are saying.

Honest question, how do you even manage to live your life when literally everything that goes against your ideology is fake news to you? I really do not understand it at all, how can you dismiss literally all the evidence against these people?

You?d be jealous if you knew how i lived my life. I?m one of the happiest people you could ever meet. You should try it sometime rather than drowning in misery.

Exactly how I thought you'd answer. Good luck living in fantasy land man honestly, I'll stick with reality any day.