Donald Trump & 2016 Election

[JAEBALL]

Obama? Clinton? These two haven't made the U.S. or the world any safer.

Who was president when the #1 enemy of the western world was captured?




/jarmo

What a dog and pony show that was... 13 plus years or whatever it was for the intelligence community of the entire world  to find a 6'6 guy in a turban hiding out in a cave....

Yeah OK !

I'm not an Obama guy... but Trump and Hillary are making me wish there was not a two term limit.

[kaasupoltin]

I think it'd be pretty damn dangerous to give a man like Trump the power to do pretty much what he feels like. It's not about being a bad president, it's about being a danger to the people. In and out the US.

But where have you been for the last eight years? Obama? Clinton? These two haven't made the U.S. or the world any safer.

Naming other bad presidents doesn't make one any better. My point here is that even with their flaws, these presidents have had some kind of understanding of what they can say or do. Trump has no clue at all. He is one of those who would blow up the whole universe if that would, in his mind, prove his point.

[Drew]

Who was president when the #1 enemy of the western world was captured?




/jarmo

If your talking about Osama, he was't captured, he was killed. Unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't.

Cutting off one head of a snake that has many heads doesn't make the fight against Islamic terrorism any less. Just look around and see how many more attacks have happened since killing Osama. I could have misread your statement but it seems to me that your saying the world is a lot safer now since Osama was killed. I would completely disagree with that opinion. It does not make Obama a success in fighting Islamic terrorism.

Naming other bad presidents doesn't make one any better. My point here is that even with their flaws, these presidents have had some kind of understanding of what they can say or do. Trump has no clue at all. He is one of those who would blow up the whole universe if that would, in his mind, prove his point.

I only named one President in my post. Obama never had any experience running anything and somehow got elected. Never ran a business, never managed a business, never had to balance a budget for a business. Nothing. And look where the country is now and how much debt the U.S. is in and growing at a higher rate than ever. Obama has racked up more debt than every President before him combined. That is terrifying a person could do that in only eight years.

I was referring to the Clinton who is currently running for the Presidency. That's who I was talking about being a failure and a horrible person to be put into office or even trusted with holding any government position. Just because Clinton has held so many different jobs in government doesn't make her qualified. Just look at her history holding those positions. It's not impressive at all. I said I have my worries about Trump. If your saying Trump would blow up the universe if he could than the same could be said about Clinton but just destroy the universe in a different way. How could anyone believe a word that comes out of her mouth anyways?

[jarmo]

Who was president when the #1 enemy of the western world was captured?




/jarmo

If your talking about Osama, he was't captured, he was killed. Unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't.

Cutting off one head of a snake that has many heads doesn't make the fight against Islamic terrorism any less. Just look around and see how many more attacks have happened since killing Osama. I could have misread your statement but it seems to me that your saying the world is a lot safer now since Osama was killed. I would completely disagree with that opinion. It does not make Obama a success in fighting Islamic terrorism.

My mistake.

They got him. So who was the president?
I get it that you don't like Obama, but who was president when the worst act of terror happened?

See? So much for being a safer place before, or after, Obama was elected.

I didn't say the world is safer. I'm saying shit's been happening even before he was elected, but you don't wanna acknowledge it.



/jarmo

[Drew]

My mistake.

They got him. So who was the president?
I get it that you don't like Obama, but who was president when the worst act of terror happened?

See? So much for being a safer place before, or after, Obama was elected.

I didn't say the world is safer. I'm saying shit's been happening even before he was elected, but you don't wanna acknowledge it.



/jarmo

Where did I ever say the world was safer before Obama. Do not put words in mouth. And do not say I'm unwilling to acknowledge what you implied. I know the world has been a dangerous place before eight years ago. I was hoping we could stay current and moving forward with the next potential President.

My point is the world has become more unsafe with this current President and current Presidential candidate Clinton. Their polices haven't done anything to make or move this country to a more safe position. Why would anyone want Clinton as President? I can't comprehend this thought process, especially with her record in government. You and kaasupoltin brought up past Presidents. I was talking about Obama and Clinton. But if you want to go back in time, the past three Presidents(Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama) and many world leaders are guilty for the shape the U.S and world are currently in. Who let Osama go when he could have killed him? Bill Clinton could have done his job and taken out Osama when he had the chance(s). George W. Bush shouldn't have went into Iraq. Which brings us to all the failed polices to combat Islamic terrorism by the current President and current Presidential candidate Clinton. These two people have brought failed polices on terrorism, the economy, and immigration. And if those polices have failed now, how are those same policies going to succeed in the future?

[tim_m]

I think it'd be pretty damn dangerous to give a man like Trump the power to do pretty much what he feels like. It's not about being a bad president, it's about being a danger to the people. In and out the US.

It's worrisome to me as well. But where have you been for the last eight years? Obama? Clinton? These two haven't made the U.S. or the world any safer. Obama would rather talk the U.S. down as a bad place with a bad history. Clinton is completely undesirable and her and her cronies think if you don't elect her as President, than your obviously a part of the fictitious 'War on women.' garbage the left is always spewing. Is there any accomplishments this woman has? She's a bold face liar regarding her emails, Libya, the early withdrawal of Iraq, etc. If she was a random State Department employee she would already have been found guilty and in prison as past employees with far lesser crimes have been. Her and Obama's agreement on Iran and the Gitmo prisoner release program hasn't made the world a safer place and has so many leaders around the world laughing at us.  Just because I don't agree with her doesn't make me hate women and just because I don't agree with Obama doesn't make me racist. The left wing needs to let that liberal memo go. It makes them look extremely ignorant.

Democrats and Republicans are both guilty for the shape the U.S. is presently in. Obama and leaders around the world are the reason for the present shape the rest of the world is currently in. The world has been a scary place the last eight years and it looks like it may remain this way for some time to come unless the U.S. gets some proper leadership.

And can you actually sit there and say with a straight face he's wrong that we're a country with a really bad history? We've done some messed up shit in our history. The war on women is not imaginary either. I'm sick of hearing about the email shit too. All but a few of those emails were not classified until she released them then they were retroactively classified. Lets not forget Powell used personal email account too during his time at the state department. Where's the witch hunt i mean investigation into him?

[tim_m]

Who was president when the #1 enemy of the western world was captured?




/jarmo

If your talking about Osama, he was't captured, he was killed. Unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't.

Cutting off one head of a snake that has many heads doesn't make the fight against Islamic terrorism any less. Just look around and see how many more attacks have happened since killing Osama. I could have misread your statement but it seems to me that your saying the world is a lot safer now since Osama was killed. I would completely disagree with that opinion. It does not make Obama a success in fighting Islamic terrorism.

Naming other bad presidents doesn't make one any better. My point here is that even with their flaws, these presidents have had some kind of understanding of what they can say or do. Trump has no clue at all. He is one of those who would blow up the whole universe if that would, in his mind, prove his point.

I only named one President in my post. Obama never had any experience running anything and somehow got elected. Never ran a business, never managed a business, never had to balance a budget for a business. Nothing. And look where the country is now and how much debt the U.S. is in and growing at a higher rate than ever. Obama has racked up more debt than every President before him combined. That is terrifying a person could do that in only eight years.

I was referring to the Clinton who is currently running for the Presidency. That's who I was talking about being a failure and a horrible person to be put into office or even trusted with holding any government position. Just because Clinton has held so many different jobs in government doesn't make her qualified. Just look at her history holding those positions. It's not impressive at all. I said I have my worries about Trump. If your saying Trump would blow up the universe if he could than the same could be said about Clinton but just destroy the universe in a different way. How could anyone believe a word that comes out of her mouth anyways?

You do realize a lot of that debt is from Bush's illegal wars right? You know he didn't put them on the books. FYI the deficit has actually gone down under Obama.

[Sosso]

Obama? Clinton? These two haven't made the U.S. or the world any safer.

Who was president when the #1 enemy of the western world was captured?




/jarmo

What a dog and pony show that was... 13 plus years or whatever it was for the intelligence community of the entire world  to find a 6'6 guy in a turban hiding out in a cave....

Yeah OK !

I'm not an Obama guy... but Trump and Hillary are making me wish there was not a two term limit.

Franklin D. Roosevelt had three terms as president.

[Sosso]

I like Bernie Sanders but I wish that he would be a little bit more like William Z. Foster.

[C0ma]

Obama? Clinton? These two haven't made the U.S. or the world any safer.

Who was president when the #1 enemy of the western world was captured?

/jarmo

I get the point you are trying to make, but that's like giving President Bush credit for the Boston Red Sox winning their first World Series since 1918 because was in office.

The intelligence finally came together to track him through a courier, and a ballsy mission was planned and executed by Naval Special Warfare with the help of the elite Army Nightstalker helicopter pilots. Had a similar opportunity come up under Bush, Obama, or later under Obama's successor I wouldn't heap an ounce of credit on any of them. That should be owned by SOCOM/DEVGRU and their command structure.

I'm certainly not an Obama fan, and can agree that there were several 'challenges' with the Bush administration prior, but I lay the blame for OBL solely at the feet of Hilary's husband. We had the opportunity to take him out in an Afghan training camp during the Clinton Administration and didn't take the shot... with that said Radical Islam is a vacuum and OBL would have been backfilled immediately and 9/11 more than likely would have been carried out under KSM's direction (which it was for the most part anyway).

[C0ma]

I like Bernie Sanders but I wish that he would be a little bit more like William Z. Foster.

While I'm sure he sounds great to College Students there are two problems I see...

1. He would have absolutely no authority to role out any of his plans... playing for his free college and healthcare is accomplished in his plan by breaking up the Wall Street Banks and taxing them at unseen corporate levels

2. If he somehow is allowed to break up private sector businesses from the executive branch and effectively turns the US into a socialist country, say bye bye to the global economy

This is a person who doesn't understand that student loan interest rates are high because they are unsecured debt... you can't compare them to 3.75% mortgage rates or 0.9% car loans because I can take your home or car from you but I can't lobotomize you if you default on your student loan.

I also laugh at his partner in crime Elizabeth Warren (the Senator from my home state) who cries about education costs, yet happily pulled down nearly a million dollars a year in salary between her and her husband as professors at Harvard. Harvard is an extreme example (they have one of if not the largest endowment of any school in the country) but that was the salary of just two professors... they all get paid, there are buildings and grounds that need to be maintained. There are technology costs, energy costs, etc... None of this stuff is 'free' those are costs that still exist. There are just things that you should be responsible for in life without having it handed to you. It's a cliche'd phase and sort of heartless... but the world needs ditch diggers too.

[tim_m]

I like Bernie Sanders but I wish that he would be a little bit more like William Z. Foster.

While I'm sure he sounds great to College Students there are two problems I see...

1. He would have absolutely no authority to role out any of his plans... playing for his free college and healthcare is accomplished in his plan by breaking up the Wall Street Banks and taxing them at unseen corporate levels

2. If he somehow is allowed to break up private sector businesses from the executive branch and effectively turns the US into a socialist country, say bye bye to the global economy

This is a person who doesn't understand that student loan interest rates are high because they are unsecured debt... you can't compare them to 3.75% mortgage rates or 0.9% car loans because I can take your home or car from you but I can't lobotomize you if you default on your student loan.

I also laugh at his partner in crime Elizabeth Warren (the Senator from my home state) who cries about education costs, yet happily pulled down nearly a million dollars a year in salary between her and her husband as professors at Harvard. Harvard is an extreme example (they have one of if not the largest endowment of any school in the country) but that was the salary of just two professors... they all get paid, there are buildings and grounds that need to be maintained. There are technology costs, energy costs, etc... None of this stuff is 'free' those are costs that still exist. There are just things that you should be responsible for in life without having it handed to you. It's a cliche'd phase and sort of heartless... but the world needs ditch diggers too.

Other countries have affordable college so why can't we? I hope he taxes the hell out of wall street. Those bastards have gotten away with murder for far too long. We bailed them out. Now its time for them to help the people they fucked over.

[Sosso]

I like Bernie Sanders but I wish that he would be a little bit more like William Z. Foster.

While I'm sure he sounds great to College Students there are two problems I see...

1. He would have absolutely no authority to role out any of his plans... playing for his free college and healthcare is accomplished in his plan by breaking up the Wall Street Banks and taxing them at unseen corporate levels

2. If he somehow is allowed to break up private sector businesses from the executive branch and effectively turns the US into a socialist country, say bye bye to the global economy

This is a person who doesn't understand that student loan interest rates are high because they are unsecured debt... you can't compare them to 3.75% mortgage rates or 0.9% car loans because I can take your home or car from you but I can't lobotomize you if you default on your student loan.

I also laugh at his partner in crime Elizabeth Warren (the Senator from my home state) who cries about education costs, yet happily pulled down nearly a million dollars a year in salary between her and her husband as professors at Harvard. Harvard is an extreme example (they have one of if not the largest endowment of any school in the country) but that was the salary of just two professors... they all get paid, there are buildings and grounds that need to be maintained. There are technology costs, energy costs, etc... None of this stuff is 'free' those are costs that still exist. There are just things that you should be responsible for in life without having it handed to you. It's a cliche'd phase and sort of heartless... but the world needs ditch diggers too.

Really? China is a socialist country and is also a huge part of the world economy.

[C0ma]

I like Bernie Sanders but I wish that he would be a little bit more like William Z. Foster.

While I'm sure he sounds great to College Students there are two problems I see...

1. He would have absolutely no authority to role out any of his plans... playing for his free college and healthcare is accomplished in his plan by breaking up the Wall Street Banks and taxing them at unseen corporate levels

2. If he somehow is allowed to break up private sector businesses from the executive branch and effectively turns the US into a socialist country, say bye bye to the global economy

This is a person who doesn't understand that student loan interest rates are high because they are unsecured debt... you can't compare them to 3.75% mortgage rates or 0.9% car loans because I can take your home or car from you but I can't lobotomize you if you default on your student loan.

I also laugh at his partner in crime Elizabeth Warren (the Senator from my home state) who cries about education costs, yet happily pulled down nearly a million dollars a year in salary between her and her husband as professors at Harvard. Harvard is an extreme example (they have one of if not the largest endowment of any school in the country) but that was the salary of just two professors... they all get paid, there are buildings and grounds that need to be maintained. There are technology costs, energy costs, etc... None of this stuff is 'free' those are costs that still exist. There are just things that you should be responsible for in life without having it handed to you. It's a cliche'd phase and sort of heartless... but the world needs ditch diggers too.

Other countries have affordable college so why can't we? I hope he taxes the hell out of wall street. Those bastards have gotten away with murder for far too long. We bailed them out. Now its time for them to help the people they fucked over.

I agree with the sentiment, but he is the President, not the dictator of the USA... he has no authority to break up a public sector company. You also can't tax these entities at unsustainable rates and hope that they grin and bear it. As it is our corporate tax rates are higher than places like the UK, in fact the US only trails Chad and UAE. The US rate is 39.1% where the global average is 22.6%... along with corporate tax rates he wants to increase tax brackets on individual taxes at certain levels... and not trying to brag but my wife and I both have decent jobs and as a family make over $300K per year... and for me a percentage of that is a bonus which is taxed higher than the normal income rate, so I am paying a hefty amount in income tax every year, but I should somehow be expected to pay more so that someone else can pay less for college???

As far as education being affordable, state schools (in-state) are affordable and I would support directing a portion of their funding to be tied exclusively to subsidizing in-state tuition and fee's. That plan would't be acceptable though because how dare I 'limit' you to a state school... and how dare I tell you you can't (as an example) leave MA to find yourself and experience the world at a University of California campus or Florida State.

[C0ma]

I like Bernie Sanders but I wish that he would be a little bit more like William Z. Foster.

While I'm sure he sounds great to College Students there are two problems I see...

1. He would have absolutely no authority to role out any of his plans... playing for his free college and healthcare is accomplished in his plan by breaking up the Wall Street Banks and taxing them at unseen corporate levels

2. If he somehow is allowed to break up private sector businesses from the executive branch and effectively turns the US into a socialist country, say bye bye to the global economy

This is a person who doesn't understand that student loan interest rates are high because they are unsecured debt... you can't compare them to 3.75% mortgage rates or 0.9% car loans because I can take your home or car from you but I can't lobotomize you if you default on your student loan.

I also laugh at his partner in crime Elizabeth Warren (the Senator from my home state) who cries about education costs, yet happily pulled down nearly a million dollars a year in salary between her and her husband as professors at Harvard. Harvard is an extreme example (they have one of if not the largest endowment of any school in the country) but that was the salary of just two professors... they all get paid, there are buildings and grounds that need to be maintained. There are technology costs, energy costs, etc... None of this stuff is 'free' those are costs that still exist. There are just things that you should be responsible for in life without having it handed to you. It's a cliche'd phase and sort of heartless... but the world needs ditch diggers too.

Really? China is a socialist country and is also a huge part of the world economy.

How are things for the average Chinese citizen? How's their environmental outlook?

Manufacturing cheap Air Jordan's, counterfeiting Les Paul's, and stealing international trade secrets via government sponsored hackers isn't really what I'm hoping for out of the US economy in the next 10-20 years.

[tim_m]

I like Bernie Sanders but I wish that he would be a little bit more like William Z. Foster.

While I'm sure he sounds great to College Students there are two problems I see...

1. He would have absolutely no authority to role out any of his plans... playing for his free college and healthcare is accomplished in his plan by breaking up the Wall Street Banks and taxing them at unseen corporate levels

2. If he somehow is allowed to break up private sector businesses from the executive branch and effectively turns the US into a socialist country, say bye bye to the global economy

This is a person who doesn't understand that student loan interest rates are high because they are unsecured debt... you can't compare them to 3.75% mortgage rates or 0.9% car loans because I can take your home or car from you but I can't lobotomize you if you default on your student loan.

I also laugh at his partner in crime Elizabeth Warren (the Senator from my home state) who cries about education costs, yet happily pulled down nearly a million dollars a year in salary between her and her husband as professors at Harvard. Harvard is an extreme example (they have one of if not the largest endowment of any school in the country) but that was the salary of just two professors... they all get paid, there are buildings and grounds that need to be maintained. There are technology costs, energy costs, etc... None of this stuff is 'free' those are costs that still exist. There are just things that you should be responsible for in life without having it handed to you. It's a cliche'd phase and sort of heartless... but the world needs ditch diggers too.

Other countries have affordable college so why can't we? I hope he taxes the hell out of wall street. Those bastards have gotten away with murder for far too long. We bailed them out. Now its time for them to help the people they fucked over.

I agree with the sentiment, but he is the President, not the dictator of the USA... he has no authority to break up a public sector company. You also can't tax these entities at unsustainable rates and hope that they grin and bear it. As it is our corporate tax rates are higher than places like the UK, in fact the US only trails Chad and UAE. The US rate is 39.1% where the global average is 22.6%... along with corporate tax rates he wants to increase tax brackets on individual taxes at certain levels... and not trying to brag but my wife and I both have decent jobs and as a family make over $300K per year... and for me a percentage of that is a bonus which is taxed higher than the normal income rate, so I am paying a hefty amount in income tax every year, but I should somehow be expected to pay more so that someone else can pay less for college???

As far as education being affordable, state schools (in-state) are affordable and I would support directing a portion of their funding to be tied exclusively to subsidizing in-state tuition and fee's. That plan would't be acceptable though because how dare I 'limit' you to a state school... and how dare I tell you you can't (as an example) leave MA to find yourself and experience the world at a University of California campus or Florida State.

One of the biggest problems is out taxation system. It really needs to be reworked and there are too many loopholes these corporations and banks take advantage of.

[COMAMOTIVE]

For the record, Obama "getting" Bin Laden was no more his own responsibility than Bush being in office when the towers fell.
Everything one president does leads to the next and the next. They all are in that chair to make monumentous decisions that can impact generations ahead.
How about the 1st Trade center bombing? Was that Clinton's "fault" ? No
The identity of Bin Laden's location was found through many years of intelligence gathering - Obama wacked him out - awesome, I'm glad he's gone
But the notion that Clinton's decisions did not affect the eventual happenings of 9/11 is silly. It seems a lot of people want to blame Bush for 9/11, blame Bush for the debt, but praise Obama for "finding" Bin Laden, give Obama a pass for Bush's debt... wake the f*ck up people..they're all human, they're all in this thing and they all make mistakes...the next pres is going to either get torched for letting ISIS grow or praised if they are eradicated...Did ISIS surface out of the Iraq decision? Probably. Was Obama too lax in realizing what we are facing? Probably

Just my honest opinion, obviously. This type of thread can get ugly fast...so back to Trump please!
He sucks and would be a terrible president

[jarmo]

My point is the world has become more unsafe with this current President and current Presidential candidate Clinton.

How do you figure that?
Extremism has been around forever.

I get the point you are trying to make, but that's like giving President Bush credit for the Boston Red Sox winning their first World Series since 1918 because was in office.

And we all know if it happened during the previous administration how much it would be hyped....




/jarmo

[Drew]

And can you actually sit there and say with a straight face he's wrong that we're a country with a really bad history? We've done some messed up shit in our history. The war on women is not imaginary either. I'm sick of hearing about the email shit too. All but a few of those emails were not classified until she released them then they were retroactively classified. Lets not forget Powell used personal email account too during his time at the state department. Where's the witch hunt i mean investigation into him?

What country doesn't have some bad history to it? None. But, Obama wants to go on and on and on and on about how horrible the U.S.'s history is. I don't think a President should go around telling how great a country is and how said country is better than any other country. Talking down a country, city, person, or anything does not do any good. Regarding Clinton's email scandal, how many other former State Department or Intelligence employees are in jail for lesser crimes. If Powell is guilty of the same, investigate him and punish him just the same as Clinton. What about all the donations she received from country's including Libya and Syria while at the State Department. Aren't these clowns still blaming a Youtube video on Benghazi. Listen to the victim's families of how Secretary Clinton treated them. It's shameful!

You do realize a lot of that debt is from Bush's illegal wars right? You know he didn't put them on the books. FYI the deficit has actually gone down under Obama.

We all also know how the Obama Administration cooks the books on everything as well. Economy, unemployment, etc. These people lie constantly.

Iraq and Afghanistan are the only two wars I'm aware of from the Bush Administration. I wouldn't consider Afghanistan an illegal war like you seem to. Yes, I have problems with Iraq and have made that known. That's not new news. Obama could have pulled out of Iraq at any time and saved all this money you talk about anyways, but he waited until 2011 to withdraw completely.

How do you figure that?
Extremism has been around forever.

Really? Does anyone here think the world is safer now after eight years or more dangerous. I think the overwhelming response would say the world is more dangerous now. Yes, extremism has been around for ever. Islamic terrorism is taking it to a new extreme now. Europe is now starting to pay the price for it's immigration problems. I don't want the same terrorism flowing over the borders like European countries have experienced. These Islamic terrorist are pouring into these countries as refugees and look how fast this has already backfired on France and Belgium.

[C0ma]

I get the point you are trying to make, but that's like giving President Bush credit for the Boston Red Sox winning their first World Series since 1918 because was in office.

And we all know if it happened during the previous administration how much it would be hyped....

/jarmo

Without a doubt... That is the same President that landed a jet on an aircraft carrier with a Mission Accomplished Banner. He probably would have fast roped out of a Black Hawk on national television with his face painted like a Navy SEAL to make the announcement.

Which is why I stand by the fact that no matter who was in the chair in the Oval Office (or if they fall into my Political Party of choice) when OBL went down, no one but the SEAL Team, the Special Forces Pilots, and the boots on the ground intelligence experts who uncovered this should get an ounce of credit.