GN?R Reps Confirm Ron ?Bumblefoot? Thal Has Left The Band

[Princess Leia]

You can fuck up 1 time,2 times, 3, 4... Don?t push it. You may reach a point of no return. That?s what I?m saying

[Ginger King]

You can fuck up 1 time,2 times, 3, 4... Don?t push it. You may reach a point of no return. That?s what I?m saying

To Leia's point (and I think it's a good one) you have existing band members that have widely differing outlooks on what's going on.  That doesn't really paint a picture of clarity or togetherness.

[faldor]

You can fuck up 1 time,2 times, 3, 4... Don?t push it. You may reach a point of no return. That?s what I?m saying

Obviously, a lot of people have had their fill and have given up on the situation over the years. Some new people have been enticed and climbed aboard, and some have stuck around to see where this ride takes us. Apparently they don't feel an urgency to change their business model. People have been asking for that for well over a decade. History has a way of repeating itself.

[Princess Leia]

You can fuck up 1 time,2 times, 3, 4... Don?t push it. You may reach a point of no return. That?s what I?m saying

Obviously, a lot of people have had their fill and have given up on the situation over the years. Some new people have been enticed and climbed aboard, and some have stuck around to see where this ride takes us. Apparently they don't feel an urgency to change their business model. People have been asking for that for well over a decade. History has a way of repeating itself.

Well I guess the day they can?t find promoters and sponsors. History will repeat itself for Axl. If he wants to perform he is gonna need to go back to The Roxy

[damnthehaters]

So you're choosing to believe Ron over GNR? That's fine, but that is what you're doing. The source is certainly implying that Ron wasn't told not to comment on his status. Ron has said he was told not to comment.

Consider the source of that quote is a confirmed source with the band.  It could be a band member who has no idea what Ron and management agreed to.

I think people are making this more complicated than it needs to be. He's out. Does it really matter who announced it or when it was announced? There aren't any shows or releases on the horizon that we know of. When that time comes, we'll find out who's actually in the band. I wouldn't expect to find out today, next week, or next month. If we do, great, but I wouldn't count on it.

EXACTLY!  Regardless of who should have done what.....I think most people are just referring to Ron's actions.  Announcement or no announcement, Ron has acted poorly.  So are some saying that BECAUSE GNR didn't announce that he was out of the band, that it's ok to act the way he did?  I don't get it?  Were talking about Ron.    

[D-GenerationX]

You can fuck up 1 time,2 times, 3, 4... Don?t push it. You may reach a point of no return. That?s what I?m saying

To Leia's point (and I think it's a good one) you have existing band members that have widely differing outlooks on what's going on.  That doesn't really paint a picture of clarity or togetherness.

Its bizarre and dysfunctional.  I think its hurts their credibility as a viable band.

[Princess Leia]

You can fuck up 1 time,2 times, 3, 4... Don?t push it. You may reach a point of no return. That?s what I?m saying

To Leia's point (and I think it's a good one) you have existing band members that have widely differing outlooks on what's going on.  That doesn't really paint a picture of clarity or togetherness.

Axl doesn?t care about that. His only concern is that if one day, out of the blue he feels like performing. He just want whoever ready to report for duty. I fear one day nobody will answer

[FunkyMonkey]

So you're choosing to believe Ron over GNR? That's fine, but that is what you're doing. The source is certainly implying that Ron wasn't told not to comment on his status. Ron has said he was told not to comment.

Consider the source of that quote is a "confirmed source with the band".  It could be a band member who has no idea what Ron and management agreed to.

I think people are making this more complicated than it needs to be. He's out. Does it really matter who announced it or when it was announced?

That wasn't the point I was making.

Anyway, I think most can agree that Ron handled it poorly, and management could have cleared things up long ago.

[Spirit]

Anyway, I think most can agree that Ron handled it poorly, and management could have cleared things up long ago.

This is best way to summarize the whole thing.

As to why Ron acted the way he did or why the management kept quiet... I have a feeling we'll never know.

[D-GenerationX]

I think you're barking up the wrong tree if you're expecting them to all of a sudden change the way they've done business the last 15 years. You certainly don't have to like it, but it is the most likely scenario.

I agree with this.  And this is certainly what we are told, all the time.  And its not incorrect.

But nor is it a ringing endorsement on the efficacy of the approach.

You should be able to say "It's how it is/has been/will be and it ain't gonna change..." and follow it up with "...even though its a pretty fucked up way to do things."

First part, no problem.  Second part, that gets stuck in some throats.

I don't get the personal affront some treat that second part either.  If you don't agree, fine.  But no one just spit on your mother.

Chillax.

[axlvai]

As a fan of the band, the last few days have actually made me feel a little better. I know there has been some contention over whether or not members leaving is exciting, but to me what is exciting is having some clarity for the first time since the Ron rumors started in South America.

The classified info started in South America... not the rumors.

[GNR2014]

I think you're barking up the wrong tree if you're expecting them to all of a sudden change the way they've done business the last 15 years. You certainly don't have to like it, but it is the most likely scenario.

I agree with this.  And this is certainly what we are told, all the time.  And its not incorrect.

But nor is it a ringing endorsement on the efficacy of the approach.

You should be able to say "It's how it is/has been/will be and it ain't gonna change..." and follow it up with "...even though its a pretty fucked up way to do things."

First part, no problem.  Second part, that gets stuck in some throats.

I don't get the personal affront some treat that second part either.  If you don't agree, fine.  But no one just spit on your mother.

Chillax.

Situation Normal... #AFU

[14 Yrs Of Silence]

"Bumblefoot quit last year. I don't understand why he continues to be evasive on his status with the band -- he quit in South America. He told Axl he was done and (Las) Vegas would be his last run with the band."

Couldn't the same be said about the Guns camp?
Why have they been evasive about it for a year?

Does it seem to any one else that they are throwing Ron under the bus?

I disagree.

You guys are all overlooking a significant update.  Fernando gave us the answer to everything we've be looking for right here, in two words.  So next time you convince yourself that you know what GN'R should do, how and when they do it, just remember that TB "disagree".

[D-GenerationX]

Is that really him?

[Spirit]

Is that really him?

Fernando? Yes.

[Princess Leia]

I think you're barking up the wrong tree if you're expecting them to all of a sudden change the way they've done business the last 15 years. You certainly don't have to like it, but it is the most likely scenario.

I agree with this.  And this is certainly what we are told, all the time.  And its not incorrect.

But nor is it a ringing endorsement on the efficacy of the approach.

You should be able to say "It's how it is/has been/will be and it ain't gonna change..." and follow it up with "...even though its a pretty fucked up way to do things."

First part, no problem.  Second part, that gets stuck in some throats.

I don't get the personal affront some treat that second part either.  If you don't agree, fine.  But no one just spit on your mother.

Chillax.

You?re right but they... you know... "disagree". As long as they deny that "it is a pretty fucked up way to do things" we?re not going anywhere.

It?s like an alcoholic dude who lie to himself and others when he says he doesn?t have a drinking problem.

[jarmo]

I think people are making this more complicated than it needs to be. He's out. Does it really matter who announced it or when it was announced? There aren't any shows or releases on the horizon that we know of. When that time comes, we'll find out who's actually in the band. I wouldn't expect to find out today, next week, or next month. If we do, great, but I wouldn't count on it.

Yes.
This has been a point made for months but it was always met with something that can be condensed into: But we need to know.



/jarmo

[Princess Leia]

I think people are making this more complicated than it needs to be. He's out. Does it really matter who announced it or when it was announced? There aren't any shows or releases on the horizon that we know of. When that time comes, we'll find out who's actually in the band. I wouldn't expect to find out today, next week, or next month. If we do, great, but I wouldn't count on it.

Yes.
This has been a point made for months but it was always met with something that can be condensed into: But we need to know.



/jarmo

The difference is that unlike in previous situation when he had rumors from the media or the friend of the brother of the uncle saying something. This time it was the band ex member himself giving clues 24/7.

You have to put in action some kind of strategy.

And as I said before the situation goes beyond BBF

[jarmo]

If nobody had said a single word other than "no comment" regarding any possible future plans for GN'R, there wouldn't have been a reason for any updates, corrections, statements or speculation.

It's not productive, in my opinion, to announce something like a departure when your next show isn't booked. Or if you don't have somebody confirmed to fill that slot in the band.

We found out about Dj joining once the band was getting ready for a tour. We found out about Frank just before his first show in 2006, we found out about Ron at his first show and Richard just before his first show in 2002.




/jarmo

[Princess Leia]

If nobody had said a single word other than "no comment" regarding any possible future plans for GN'R, there wouldn't have been a reason for any updates, corrections, statements or speculation.

It's not productive, in my opinion, to announce something like a departure when your next show isn't booked. Or if you don't have somebody confirmed to fill that slot in the band.

We found out about Dj joining once the band was getting ready for a tour. We found out about Frank just before his first show in 2006, we found out about Ron at his first show and Richard just before his first show in 2002.




/jarmo

Then it seems that this time around someone forgot to tell them to shut up. Band members  don?t have the power to read minds. They need to be told. Or they need to sign a document or something. And we can?t rule out the possibility that they?ve been told keep quiet and they didn?t care. So they did what they felt like it.

There was no plan in place to deal with an unexpected situation.