DJ Ashba Decides To Make Sixx:A.M. His "Main Priority"

[D-GenerationX]

You have zero proof for the derogatory claims and labels of "laziness" or "procrastinator" because you are not privvy to any real knowledge or interaction.

You are still attempting to push Troll gospel here.

Yeah, I guess all that creative output over the past 15 years is always at the ready to be thrown back in my face when I say stuff like that.

That's my cross to bear.  I set myself up for that pitfall.

[D-GenerationX]

Also, I?m not sure I?m buying the he?s sitting on this mountain of music because it?s a gold mine.  By all indications, CDII sounds similar to CD, which didn?t exactly reap huge economic profits.  The big bucks are in a reunion?not in CDII, IMO.

Agreed.

And those Stones and Dylan comparisons, do they apply here?  The Stones were sitting on outtakes and unrelased songs from some of their most famous sessions of alltime.  That's not what Axl is sitting on.  He's not sitting on unheard material from his 'Sticky Fingers' or 'Exile On Mains Street'.  He's sitting on unrelased material from his 'Black And Blue' and 'Dirty Work'.

[sky dog]

Ginger, I am quite certain Axl made a nice chunk of change off CD. Don't kid yourself....re-read my post on what I consider vault material.

"That material includes classic lineup stuff, Chinese stuff, live concert recordings, demos, alt takes, etc. "

[D-GenerationX]

"That material includes classic lineup stuff, Chinese stuff, live concert recordings, demos, alt takes, etc. "

What classic line-up stuff?

Its been going on 30 years with some of that.  We all have the bootlegs.  We know what is out there and what is not.

Do you seriously believe there are all these outtakes from the real band that have somehow been kept under lock and key all this time?

[sky dog]

no reason to argue with someone that just wants to argue....

[faldor]

Ginger, you have to look at it from Axl's perspetive. He has already won the lottery. He sits on the mountain of vault material because he CAN. That material includes classic lineup stuff, Chinese stuff, live concert recordings, demos, alt takes, etc. Hell, Dylan waited almost 50 years to release all the Basement Tapes. The Stones are just now releasing all the stuff from their legendary years. It is money in the bank for these guys...social security. They wait....it is sad but true for us fans.

Exactly. Axl isn't an up and comer looking to make a name for himself. He's earned the right to work at his own pace, excrutiating as it may be. We don't have to like it, but that's the way it is.

That?s all possible?he could be re-tooling the brand, getting ready for the next big thing (Round 2?), and still have the passion and desire to release music that?s already recorded.  It?s also possible he has very seriously thought about it and decided it?s not worth the headache and heartache.  He didn?t really seem to like the release process of CD, and maybe to him it?s not going through another painful process.  We don?t know because we have nothing to go on?so it?s just a function of what you believe based on the limited information we have.

Also, I?m not sure I?m buying the he?s sitting on this mountain of music because it?s a gold mine.  By all indications, CDII sounds similar to CD, which didn?t exactly reap huge economic profits.  The big bucks are in a reunion?not in CDII, IMO.

That's the thing. He's probably trying to figure out what the best move is for HIM. Not necessarily for us fans. The year CD was released he described as "the worst f'ing year of his life". Could be a reason he's hesitant to go through the process again. Or maybe he's been going through it off and on. He's obviously not desparate to release music. If and when he decides he's ready, we'll know. I do hope we get there someday.

[D-GenerationX]

no reason to argue with someone that just wants to argue....

Who is arguing?  I'm asking a question. 

You think there is old band material we have yet to hear, all these years later?  That never made it out on a bootleg?

[EmilyGNR]

You have zero proof for the derogatory claims and labels of "laziness" or "procrastinator" because you are not privvy to any real knowledge or interaction.

You are still attempting to push Troll gospel here.

Yeah, I guess all that creative output over the past 15 years is always at the ready to be thrown back in my face when I say stuff like that.

That's my cross to bear.  I set myself up for that pitfall.

And now back to sarcasm as an attempt to save face.

Why am I not surprised?

[EmilyGNR]

no reason to argue with someone that just wants to argue....

Who is arguing?  I'm asking a question. 

You think there is old band material we have yet to hear, all these years later?  That never made it out on a bootleg?

Some of the stuff Slash did that was the beginning of the seed of the song that's been around for a while."

Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richard-fortus-on-new-guns-n-roses-album-axl-rose-wants-to-create-stuff-and-release-it-when-its-ready/#oQEAAo8ejrhaOU7Q.99

[D-GenerationX]

You have zero proof for the derogatory claims and labels of "laziness" or "procrastinator" because you are not privvy to any real knowledge or interaction.

You are still attempting to push Troll gospel here.

Yeah, I guess all that creative output over the past 15 years is always at the ready to be thrown back in my face when I say stuff like that.

That's my cross to bear.  I set myself up for that pitfall.

And now back to sarcasm as an attempt to save face.

Why am I not surprised?

You absolutely shouldn't be.

Ridiculous suggestions often receive ridiculous responses.

Want a serious response?  Put forth a serious argument.

Pretty basic concept.

[Ginger King]

no reason to argue with someone that just wants to argue....

Who is arguing?  I'm asking a question. 

You think there is old band material we have yet to hear, all these years later?  That never made it out on a bootleg?

Some of the stuff Slash did that was the beginning of the seed of the song that's been around for a while."

Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richard-fortus-on-new-guns-n-roses-album-axl-rose-wants-to-create-stuff-and-release-it-when-its-ready/#oQEAAo8ejrhaOU7Q.99

The article also notes that Guns "has both recording and touring plans in 2015" so I guess you have to pick and choose what to believe.

[D-GenerationX]

Some of the stuff Slash did that was the beginning of the seed of the song that's been around for a while."

Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richard-fortus-on-new-guns-n-roses-album-axl-rose-wants-to-create-stuff-and-release-it-when-its-ready/#oQEAAo8ejrhaOU7Q.99

The article also notes that Guns "has both recording and touring plans in 2015" so I guess you have to pick and choose what to believe.

...as always.

Getting back to the topic at hand, I do not believe there is as yet unearthed gems from the old band.  We've heard everything that was to be heard.

I guess, theoretically, there could be some unfocused jam sitting on tape somewhere.  But we were talking about Axl being able to monetize the stuff he's sitting on, like a Stones or Dylan have done.  I don't see anything in that vein.

[TheBaconman]

Some of the stuff Slash did that was the beginning of the seed of the song that's been around for a while."

Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richard-fortus-on-new-guns-n-roses-album-axl-rose-wants-to-create-stuff-and-release-it-when-its-ready/#oQEAAo8ejrhaOU7Q.99

The article also notes that Guns "has both recording and touring plans in 2015" so I guess you have to pick and choose what to believe.

...as always.

Getting back to the topic at hand, I do not believe there is as yet unearthed gems from the old band.  We've heard everything that was to be heard.

I guess, theoretically, there could be some unfocused jam sitting on tape somewhere.  But we were talking about Axl being able to monetize the stuff he's sitting on, like a Stones or Dylan have done.  I don't see anything in that vein.

I think the only thing from the old band would be that Documentry.   The one filmed during the UYI world tour....  That has never been released

Other than that...   The old band has nothing in the shelf

Unless Axl is sitting on some Slash demos breaking out Songs like, fall too pieces and slither....   Now that would be cool

[sky dog]

I would simply like to hear cleaner versions of the "bootlegs, demos, alternative takes, jams, etc etc" on a proper studio release...I would like to see proper studio versions of Shadow of Your Love, Reckless Life, and Move to the City without the fake crowd noise in the background. I would like to see AFD remastered with said tracks as bonuses...with the original cover art. There are literally tons of things he can do just like the Stones just did with Sticky. I want the UYI documentary. I want the remainder of the Chinese sessions released....the list goes on and on. Hard core fans would eat it up and pay for it out of principal. It is money in the bank.

Axl has a vault....end of discussion.

[norway]

Chidem was done in the early 20's but got redone (entire fucking thing re-recorded) upon request from a producer. You can for example hear changes to the madagascar-solo (becoming less heavy) and 'The Blues/street of dreams' being slower if you compare rio3 with 02-gigs.

Axl also re-recorded AFD (and some illusion-stuff) and gave permission for songs fto be used in movie-soundtracks. Here is Scom (cuts from live into a new recording). WTTJ was offered to 'Black Hawk Down' but they declined since it wasn't from original AFD.

[D-GenerationX]

Yeah, Axl tried to sell them on using the new band's version of WTTJ, as I recall.

Thanks, but no thanks.

[sky dog]

always got to get a dig in....

[D-GenerationX]

always got to get a dig in....

Do you think it was a smart business plan, pushing the re-recorded song instead of the one everyone knows?  The version used during the actual battle in real life?

Since there has been some (apparent) confusion here today, these are questions and not arguments.  Just to be clear.

[Rainfox]

Phone's ringing.

It's rO bI n.

 

[Lucky]

I so hope they bring back certain mr Finck :wink :wink )
ooooh how I miss that dude.