Can we put the name issue to bed...the man's words

[draguns]

Skydog, if you thought that your thread was going to be the end all on name discussion then you were foolish. No offense.  It's a hot topic. I said it once and I'll say it again. The name should have been retired. Period. Axl got the name. Fine, but then do something with it. If he didn't want to release albums or keep it as bluesy hard rock band then no need to keep the name. He could have had an Ozzy like career and do his own music. He knew the name would bring in money and headlines.

The arguments that I have seen on this thread have been a bit absurd. Both Axl and Slash are doing things for money. It's a bit obvious. I don't consider neither as a "sellout", though. I want to support both of them in their endeavors. Both founded this band. Both created one of the GREATEST albums of all-time. They should both be respected and not hated upon.  That's all.

[sky dog]

I started the thread just to show Axl's opinion on the name...people like to tell everyone what Axl was thinking. I was just pointing out that this is actually what he said about the subject...everything we should want to know from his side. I guess my thread title is a little off from my point. I know they all have their side too. I just tend to go with Axl's side because, well, it makes sense...much more so than Slash and Duff's recollection.

Now, in hindsight, I too wish Axl would have done a solo project so we wouldn't have all this fan bickering. However, the economic reality of the situation at the time did not allow him too. He had too much invested in it. It was all or nothing.  

ps and don't say we got "nothing". I dig Chinese and am sure the leftover Chinese stew is damn good. 

[norway]

The name is from Tracii Guns and Axl Rose (hollywood rose).

/thread 

He could have had an Ozzy like career and do his own music. He knew the name would bring in money and headlines.

Now u are applying your self-constructed motivations on to Axl.  Not that fortune and fame isn't a motivation for all of us...

[The Wight Gunner]

Now u are applying your self-constructed motivations on to Axl.  Not that fortune and fame isn't a motivation for all of us...

The fortune bit might be right, but loads have walked away from being famous, arguably Izzy was the one person the rest have to be most gratful for, yet he was the one who who tried the hardest to remain out of the spot-light

[draguns]

The name is from Tracii Guns and Axl Rose (hollywood rose).

/thread 

He could have had an Ozzy like career and do his own music. He knew the name would bring in money and headlines.

Now u are applying your self-constructed motivations on to Axl.  Not that fortune and fame isn't a motivation for all of us...

I know how the name came about dude. Let me ask you this. Was the name well known when Tracii was in Guns N' Roses? Did they have any hit songs when he was in the band?

How am I applying my "self-constructed motivations"?

[norway]

Was the name well known when Tracii was in Guns N' Roses? Did they have any hit songs when he was in the band?

We're into popbands (and the rulesets therein) now?

Songs they wrote became classics on afd but thats a mute point to me. Respectively the name belongs to Axl and thats in imo justifiable in most aspects and the former line-ups are rightfully credited.

Gnr is not just the 'afd-band' just as nazareth is not just Love Hurts. You get my drift?

How am I applying my "self-constructed motivations"?

Looked as you indicated Axl mostly wanted the name for money and headlines, which was a motivation you yourself added.

[GNR2014]

In the current version of reality that we are all living in here, Axl Rose kept the name.
The next 20 years unfolded as they did.

Who knows how things might have been different if The Axl Rose Band, or W.A.R., or a new band called Chinese Democracy or something else emerged in the late '90s?

[draguns]

Was the name well known when Tracii was in Guns N' Roses? Did they have any hit songs when he was in the band?

We're into popbands (and the rulesets therein) now?

Songs they wrote became classics on afd but thats a mute point to me. Respectively the name belongs to Axl and thats in imo justifiable in most aspects and the former line-ups are rightfully credited.

Gnr is not just the 'afd-band' just as nazareth is not just Love Hurts. You get my drift?

How am I applying my "self-constructed motivations"?

Looked as you indicated Axl mostly wanted the name for money and headlines, which was a motivation you yourself added.

You are missing the point. No one cared for GNR when Tracii was in the band. The band became a  huge hit when Slash and Adler came on board.  The band became a household name with AFD, Lies, and UYI. It's definitely NOT a moot point since this is one of the reasons why Axl  wanted the name.

[EmilyGNR]

Was the name well known when Tracii was in Guns N' Roses? Did they have any hit songs when he was in the band?

We're into popbands (and the rulesets therein) now?

Songs they wrote became classics on afd but thats a mute point to me. Respectively the name belongs to Axl and thats in imo justifiable in most aspects and the former line-ups are rightfully credited.

Gnr is not just the 'afd-band' just as nazareth is not just Love Hurts. You get my drift?

How am I applying my "self-constructed motivations"?

Looked as you indicated Axl mostly wanted the name for money and headlines, which was a motivation you yourself added.

You are missing the point. No one cared for GNR when Tracii was in the band. The band became a  huge hit when Slash and Adler came on board.  The band became a household name with AFD, Lies, and UYI. It's definitely NOT a mute point since this is one of the reasons why Axl  wanted the name.

Definitely not a "mute" point since so many people are determined to try and discuss Moot points. 

GNR has had multiple lineups since conception, I have enjoyed something about each incarnation. GNR existed before Slash and exists after he quit .

[sky dog]

Well, I agree with you Emily but 3 months with Traci, Gardener, and Ole hardly constitutes an "incarnation". Honestly, there are only three lineups in my mind, and they center around the albums and who made the albums. Afd/Lies lineup...the UYI lineup...the Chinese lineup (the people who actually wrote and played on the record).

Touring and who has played live shows is a whole other matter. 

[draguns]

Was the name well known when Tracii was in Guns N' Roses? Did they have any hit songs when he was in the band?

We're into popbands (and the rulesets therein) now?

Songs they wrote became classics on afd but thats a mute point to me. Respectively the name belongs to Axl and thats in imo justifiable in most aspects and the former line-ups are rightfully credited.

Gnr is not just the 'afd-band' just as nazareth is not just Love Hurts. You get my drift?

How am I applying my "self-constructed motivations"?

Looked as you indicated Axl mostly wanted the name for money and headlines, which was a motivation you yourself added.

You are missing the point. No one cared for GNR when Tracii was in the band. The band became a  huge hit when Slash and Adler came on board.  The band became a household name with AFD, Lies, and UYI. It's definitely NOT a mute point since this is one of the reasons why Axl  wanted the name.

Definitely not a "mute" point since so many people are determined to try and discuss Moot points. 

GNR has had multiple lineups since conception, I have enjoyed something about each incarnation. GNR existed before Slash and exists after he quit .

Ha. Funny Emily. I was tired when I wrote that. I had just got back from watching fireworks with my father and was heading off to bed. 

[EmilyGNR]

Well, I agree with you Emily but 3 months with Traci, Gardener, and Ole hardly constitutes an "incarnation". Honestly, there are only three lineups in my mind, and they center around the albums and who made the albums. Afd/Lies lineup...the UYI lineup...the Chinese lineup (the people who actually wrote and played on the record).

Touring and who has played live shows is a whole other matter. 

I usually classify lineups by years rather than labels, it is more precise.

I never saw the original lineup, but I saw the classic lineup and subsequent lineups quite a few times over the years.

[EmilyGNR]

Was the name well known when Tracii was in Guns N' Roses? Did they have any hit songs when he was in the band?

We're into popbands (and the rulesets therein) now?

Songs they wrote became classics on afd but thats a mute point to me. Respectively the name belongs to Axl and thats in imo justifiable in most aspects and the former line-ups are rightfully credited.

Gnr is not just the 'afd-band' just as nazareth is not just Love Hurts. You get my drift?

How am I applying my "self-constructed motivations"?

Looked as you indicated Axl mostly wanted the name for money and headlines, which was a motivation you yourself added.

You are missing the point. No one cared for GNR when Tracii was in the band. The band became a  huge hit when Slash and Adler came on board.  The band became a household name with AFD, Lies, and UYI. It's definitely NOT a mute point since this is one of the reasons why Axl  wanted the name.

Definitely not a "mute" point since so many people are determined to try and discuss Moot points. 

GNR has had multiple lineups since conception, I have enjoyed something about each incarnation. GNR existed before Slash and exists after he quit .

Ha. Funny Emily. I was tired when I wrote that. I had just got back from watching fireworks with my father and was heading off to bed. 

Just a joke, no harm intended 

[norway]

Honestly, there are only three lineups in my mind, and they center around the albums and who made the albums.

Who made the songs?

No one cared for GNR when Tracii was in the band.

Compared to? Slash and Adler?

Many of the songs that guns is famous for (took years, afd wasn't an instant hit) derives from Izzy, Tracii, Axl.

The band became a  huge hit when Slash and Adler came on board.  The band became a household name with AFD, Lies, and UYI. 

I know Slash, Axl, Duff, Steven and Izzy was the guys who got a contract with Geffen. But who used the name before Adler and Slash got involved? Where does the name come from?

It was a simliar case in Norway where the original user of the bandname won in court. Short story: Guitarplayer makes the band >>> Bass and Singer joins >>> the band is more comercially successfull >>> wants to use the band without the guitarplayer >>> lost in court which I agree to.

Axl lived by the name first and justifiably has the legal rights.

It's therefore his property regardles of which members makes it a 'popular music band'.

Totally respect people who don't find the band relevant without Bucket, Slash, AFD-lineup or w/e, but still...

It's definitely NOT a moot point since this is one of the reasons why Axl  wanted the name.

'one of the reasons' ok. but Axl Rose as a brand is basicly equally as big.

Letting comercial relevance and personal like decide who is the legitimate user of a name isn't valid imo.

I would insist tho, on the moot point, that 'Axl-guns' is more relevant to the public than 'no-axl guns'

no puns

It was a simliar case in Norway where the original user of the bandname won in court. Short story: Guitarplayer makes the band >>> Bass and Singer joins >>> band is more comercially successfull >>> wants to be the band without the guitarplayer >>> lost in court >>>I agree to that.

Gonna add that I like king/gaahl-era most btw. kthx, just talked 2 myself thar

[mortismurphy]

Many of the songs that guns is famous for (took years, afd wasn't an instant hit) derives from Izzy, Tracii, Axl.

What songs are these exactly? The only song on Appetite that was written before Slash joined the band is Anything Goes which was a Hollywood Rose song.

[sky dog]

Reckless Life and Shadow of Your Love are Hollywood Rose as well. 2 other songs on official Gnr releases. Tracii has ZERO writing credits on any Gnr songs. Come on, let's call it like it is.

[mortismurphy]

He could be mixing Tracii Guns up with Chris Weber.

[draguns]

Was the name well known when Tracii was in Guns N' Roses? Did they have any hit songs when he was in the band?

We're into popbands (and the rulesets therein) now?

Songs they wrote became classics on afd but thats a mute point to me. Respectively the name belongs to Axl and thats in imo justifiable in most aspects and the former line-ups are rightfully credited.

Gnr is not just the 'afd-band' just as nazareth is not just Love Hurts. You get my drift?

How am I applying my "self-constructed motivations"?

Looked as you indicated Axl mostly wanted the name for money and headlines, which was a motivation you yourself added.

You are missing the point. No one cared for GNR when Tracii was in the band. The band became a  huge hit when Slash and Adler came on board.  The band became a household name with AFD, Lies, and UYI. It's definitely NOT a mute point since this is one of the reasons why Axl  wanted the name.

Definitely not a "mute" point since so many people are determined to try and discuss Moot points. 

GNR has had multiple lineups since conception, I have enjoyed something about each incarnation. GNR existed before Slash and exists after he quit .

Ha. Funny Emily. I was tired when I wrote that. I had just got back from watching fireworks with my father and was heading off to bed. 

Just a joke, no harm intended 

I know. It was funny as well!

[draguns]

Honestly, there are only three lineups in my mind, and they center around the albums and who made the albums.

Who made the songs?

No one cared for GNR when Tracii was in the band.

Compared to? Slash and Adler?

Many of the songs that guns is famous for (took years, afd wasn't an instant hit) derives from Izzy, Tracii, Axl.

The band became a  huge hit when Slash and Adler came on board.  The band became a household name with AFD, Lies, and UYI. 

I know Slash, Axl, Duff, Steven and Izzy was the guys who got a contract with Geffen. But who used the name before Adler and Slash got involved? Where does the name come from?

It was a simliar case in Norway where the original user of the bandname won in court. Short story: Guitarplayer makes the band >>> Bass and Singer joins >>> the band is more comercially successfull >>> wants to use the band without the guitarplayer >>> lost in court which I agree to.

Axl lived by the name first and justifiably has the legal rights.

It's therefore his property regardles of which members makes it a 'popular music band'.

Totally respect people who don't find the band relevant without Bucket, Slash, AFD-lineup or w/e, but still...

It's definitely NOT a moot point since this is one of the reasons why Axl  wanted the name.

'one of the reasons' ok. but Axl Rose as a brand is basicly equally as big.

Letting comercial relevance and personal like decide who is the legitimate user of a name isn't valid imo.

I would insist tho, on the moot point, that 'Axl-guns' is more relevant to the public than 'no-axl guns'

no puns

It was a simliar case in Norway where the original user of the bandname won in court. Short story: Guitarplayer makes the band >>> Bass and Singer joins >>> band is more comercially successfull >>> wants to be the band without the guitarplayer >>> lost in court >>>I agree to that.

Gonna add that I like king/gaahl-era most btw. kthx, just talked 2 myself thar

I completely disagree with you on this. All 5 were important. Each contributed something to the band. That's why they were successful. All 5 plus Matt, Dizzy & Gilby will never reach those heights again.

[sky dog]

what the hell did Gilby do? Play on a bunch of cover songs....please. The very definition of hired hand. Zero songwriting credits as well.