In a perfect world, what would the ideal situation be?

[jarmo]

Did you see the show? 

No.


/jarmo

[mortismurphy]

I would agree if you are talking about anything up to and including, around 2011. Now I see them about on par. These little casinos are fairly embarrassing. There is also that tour which was sexed up as 'up close and personal' to disguise sagging sales. Do you believe Axl could headline another Rio now? You have to admit, his stock has fallen quite drastically the last few years.

Slash's recent gig in Stockholm was at an amusement park.
Are you gonna make a puppet show joke about it?


/jarmo

Why not? I suppose their (both Axl and Slash) stock has diminished drastically since 1993 - this point is obvious. But my point is that Slash is playing bigger venues now (arenas in Europe) than when he was with Snakepit when he was playing clubs whereas Axl's stock seems to have plummeted since 2010-11, South America excepted. It would look better on a graph!

By the way, If Slash played Vegas residencies (not entirely out of the question) I would be just as critical of him, as I am of Axl. Vegas is no place for a musician with any pretense to creativity and art.

[jarmo]

Last time GN'R played in Europe, they headlined festivals. Selective memory at work again.



/jarmo

[TheBaconman]

I would agree if you are talking about anything up to and including, around 2011. Now I see them about on par. These little casinos are fairly embarrassing. There is also that tour which was sexed up as 'up close and personal' to disguise sagging sales. Do you believe Axl could headline another Rio now? You have to admit, his stock has fallen quite drastically the last few years.

Slash's recent gig in Stockholm was at an amusement park.
Are you gonna make a puppet show joke about it?


/jarmo

Why not? I suppose their (both Axl and Slash) stock has diminished drastically since 1993 - this point is obvious. But my point is that Slash is playing bigger venues now (arenas in Europe) than when he was with Snakepit when he was playing clubs whereas Axl's stock seems to have plummeted since 2010-11, South America excepted. It would look better on a graph!

By the way, If Slash played Vegas residencies (not entirely out of the question) I would be just as critical of him, as I am of Axl. Vegas is no place for a musician with any pretense to creativity and art.

The Killers are a great band and are from Las Vegas....  They soent years playing smaller shows around the city and still put on quite a bit of Vegas only shows.  I dont think Las Vegas has anything to do with a musicians loss of creative or loss ot there art.  Many bands are from the area and thrive in the enviroment.  Many bands have succesful careers and have tour stops in Vegas.   Is there credability lost for this?  How many shows in Vegas would it take in your opinion for a musician to loose credibilit by playing Las Vegas?  1, 2, 5, 10, 40 shows?   Some major performers have choosen to take up stays in major hotels.  Many have used the reason, its more money than they would make on the road.  Also some artists are sick of travel or just want a break from it, they can get this from a long stay in a city....  Also its a bit of a treat to fans.  A differenct experience for people that may have just seen the band come to there local market.   Were is every musician may not state these reasons or none at all, doesnt mean you should just rule that the reason for the long stay is for basiclly being lazy.

Las Vegas is also home to some of the largest hotels and casinos in the world.   Sure they have very small ones, like you mentioned, but last I check Guns played at the Hard Rock.  While not the biggest hotel in the world.  Its pretty big and a great venue for live music as well a one of the better pools in town.

Seems like you have hate for two things   (well actually many, but in this example only two)...    1)  Las Vegas in general    2)  And bands playing resedincies...

For example....   Would you have a problem if Axl did a 20 show engagment in London?

I get the frustration with the publics lack of information regarding current and furture plans with the music and the band...   But I dont understand the frustration with a resedency

Would you warm up to one, if Axl released new music.  Toured the world again playing barnd new songs with brand new setlists, then put on a resedency?   

I would love another one right now and would fly down and see multuple shows in a second.

[mortismurphy]

I would agree if you are talking about anything up to and including, around 2011. Now I see them about on par. These little casinos are fairly embarrassing. There is also that tour which was sexed up as 'up close and personal' to disguise sagging sales. Do you believe Axl could headline another Rio now? You have to admit, his stock has fallen quite drastically the last few years.

Slash's recent gig in Stockholm was at an amusement park.
Are you gonna make a puppet show joke about it?


/jarmo

Why not? I suppose their (both Axl and Slash) stock has diminished drastically since 1993 - this point is obvious. But my point is that Slash is playing bigger venues now (arenas in Europe) than when he was with Snakepit when he was playing clubs whereas Axl's stock seems to have plummeted since 2010-11, South America excepted. It would look better on a graph!

By the way, If Slash played Vegas residencies (not entirely out of the question) I would be just as critical of him, as I am of Axl. Vegas is no place for a musician with any pretense to creativity and art.

The Killers are a great band and are from Las Vegas....  They soent years playing smaller shows around the city and still put on quite a bit of Vegas only shows.  I dont think Las Vegas has anything to do with a musicians loss of creative or loss ot there art.  Many bands are from the area and thrive in the enviroment.  Many bands have succesful careers and have tour stops in Vegas.   Is there credability lost for this?  How many shows in Vegas would it take in your opinion for a musician to loose credibilit by playing Las Vegas?  1, 2, 5, 10, 40 shows?   Some major performers have choosen to take up stays in major hotels.  Many have used the reason, its more money than they would make on the road.  Also some artists are sick of travel or just want a break from it, they can get this from a long stay in a city....  Also its a bit of a treat to fans.  A differenct experience for people that may have just seen the band come to there local market.   Were is every musician may not state these reasons or none at all, doesnt mean you should just rule that the reason for the long stay is for basiclly being lazy.

Las Vegas is also home to some of the largest hotels and casinos in the world.   Sure they have very small ones, like you mentioned, but last I check Guns played at the Hard Rock.  While not the biggest hotel in the world.  Its pretty big and a great venue for live music as well a one of the better pools in town.

Seems like you have hate for two things   (well actually many, but in this example only two)...    1)  Las Vegas in general    2)  And bands playing resedincies...

For example....   Would you have a problem if Axl did a 20 show engagment in London?

I get the frustration with the publics lack of information regarding current and furture plans with the music and the band...   But I dont understand the frustration with a resedency

Would you warm up to one, if Axl released new music.  Toured the world again playing barnd new songs with brand new setlists, then put on a resedency?   

I would love another one right now and would fly down and see multuple shows in a second.

When I say Vegas, I mean Vegas residencies.

It is about association. There is nothing inherently wrong with the physical act of playing Los Vegas, Nevada, but it is the association that comes with it. Vegas is the retirement home of musicians. It is where Pat Boone and the Monkees play greatest hits shows. It is about nostalgia and 'revivalism', recreating a past for layman crowds and not challenging yourself with new material. Unfortunately those images of Elvis dying a slow death on stage are difficult to forget.

[mortismurphy]

Last time GN'R played in Europe, they headlined festivals. Selective memory at work again.



/jarmo

Europe has not been played in ages though!

[Spirit]

I would agree if you are talking about anything up to and including, around 2011. Now I see them about on par. These little casinos are fairly embarrassing. There is also that tour which was sexed up as 'up close and personal' to disguise sagging sales. Do you believe Axl could headline another Rio now? You have to admit, his stock has fallen quite drastically the last few years.

Slash's recent gig in Stockholm was at an amusement park.
Are you gonna make a puppet show joke about it?


/jarmo

Why not? I suppose their (both Axl and Slash) stock has diminished drastically since 1993 - this point is obvious. But my point is that Slash is playing bigger venues now (arenas in Europe) than when he was with Snakepit when he was playing clubs whereas Axl's stock seems to have plummeted since 2010-11, South America excepted. It would look better on a graph!

By the way, If Slash played Vegas residencies (not entirely out of the question) I would be just as critical of him, as I am of Axl. Vegas is no place for a musician with any pretense to creativity and art.

The Killers are a great band and are from Las Vegas....  They soent years playing smaller shows around the city and still put on quite a bit of Vegas only shows.  I dont think Las Vegas has anything to do with a musicians loss of creative or loss ot there art.  Many bands are from the area and thrive in the enviroment.  Many bands have succesful careers and have tour stops in Vegas.   Is there credability lost for this?  How many shows in Vegas would it take in your opinion for a musician to loose credibilit by playing Las Vegas?  1, 2, 5, 10, 40 shows?   Some major performers have choosen to take up stays in major hotels.  Many have used the reason, its more money than they would make on the road.  Also some artists are sick of travel or just want a break from it, they can get this from a long stay in a city....  Also its a bit of a treat to fans.  A differenct experience for people that may have just seen the band come to there local market.   Were is every musician may not state these reasons or none at all, doesnt mean you should just rule that the reason for the long stay is for basiclly being lazy.

Las Vegas is also home to some of the largest hotels and casinos in the world.   Sure they have very small ones, like you mentioned, but last I check Guns played at the Hard Rock.  While not the biggest hotel in the world.  Its pretty big and a great venue for live music as well a one of the better pools in town.

Seems like you have hate for two things   (well actually many, but in this example only two)...    1)  Las Vegas in general    2)  And bands playing resedincies...

For example....   Would you have a problem if Axl did a 20 show engagment in London?

I get the frustration with the publics lack of information regarding current and furture plans with the music and the band...   But I dont understand the frustration with a resedency

Would you warm up to one, if Axl released new music.  Toured the world again playing barnd new songs with brand new setlists, then put on a resedency?   

I would love another one right now and would fly down and see multuple shows in a second.

When I say Vegas, I mean Vegas residencies.

It is about association. There is nothing inherently wrong with the physical act of playing Los Vegas, Nevada, but it is the association that comes with it. Vegas is the retirement home of musicians. It is where Pat Boone and the Monkees play greatest hits shows. It is about nostalgia and 'revivalism', recreating a past for layman crowds and not challenging yourself with new material. Unfortunately those images of Elvis dying a slow death on stage are difficult to forget.

I think there are differences in a full-blown residency and a "mini-residency". The two times GN'R has been there they played 12 (2012) and 9 (2014) shows.

Also, both times they were part of a tour: in 2012 they went straight to Asia after Las Vegas and in 2014 the residency was following the South America tour.

If all GN'R did was play 70 shows a year in Vegas, and no concerts anywhere else in the world, then yes, I think the description you gave would apply to Guns.

[TheBaconman]

I didn't mean to post smiley faces in my above post.  Ugh please forgive me

Vegas is way more than Dead Elvis and Pat Boon.    I travel down around 4 times a year.  Love seeking out what ever random live music is playing during my visit.   There are some great venues around the city.   Most are in the casinos and hotels    Some of the best music is out on by house bands    Who really have permanent resedicies   

I saw Cheap Trick at the Paris hotel durring one of there resedincies there.   Great great show.  Def leapord as well at the hard rock out on a great show

I think some people try and place two topics in one and act like its the same thing.   

If you want to talk about releasing new music, fresh set lists, world tours , that's fine.   It has nothing to do with playing shows in Las Vegas.  And playing shows in Las Vegas does not contribute to any of that not happening.   

And if you are trying to say that by playing shows there your band is not seen as relavent to the current music scene.   I would say that's just your opinion.   Probably not that of many other people.  I would think the vast majority of people don't really think twice about it

[mortismurphy]

If you want to talk about releasing new music, fresh set lists, world tours , that's fine.   It has nothing to do with playing shows in Las Vegas.  And playing shows in Las Vegas does not contribute to any of that not happening.   

I see a correlation between the two.

And if you are trying to say that by playing shows there your band is not seen as relavent to the current music scene.   I would say that's just your opinion. 

Of course it is, but in my defense, I'm not the first person to see Vegas residencies in such a way. The association originates with Elvis and Engelbert Humperdinck, and jump suits and nostalgia revival shows. I am also not alone in saying to myself, ''oh shit - it's over'', the minute Axl started doing the Vegas thing.

[Ginger King]

If you want to talk about releasing new music, fresh set lists, world tours , that's fine.   It has nothing to do with playing shows in Las Vegas.  And playing shows in Las Vegas does not contribute to any of that not happening.   

I see a correlation between the two.

And if you are trying to say that by playing shows there your band is not seen as relavent to the current music scene.   I would say that's just your opinion. 

Of course it is, but in my defense, I'm not the first person to see Vegas residencies in such a way. The association originates with Elvis and Engelbert Humperdinck, and jump suits and nostalgia revival shows. I am also not alone in saying to myself, ''oh shit - it's over'', the minute Axl started doing the Vegas thing.

Have you been to Vegas in the last 40 years?  Much has changed since Fat Elvis and Wayne Newton.  Perhaps it was once a retirement community for acts, but it's not anymore. 

[mortismurphy]

I wouldn't go to Vegas if you paid me. Horrible tacky place.

[TheBaconman]

I wouldn't go to Vegas if you paid me. Horrible tacky place.

So what is your opinion based on?   What you have read or seen through movies, pictures?   Or is your opinion based on other people's opinions that you have talked to or read?

I think your examples of Las Vegas are very outdated.   If you are a fan of live music.   I highly recommend checking out the city if you are given the chance

Also with guns playing Vegas....   It in zero way changes the general publics point of view of the band.   Take that as positive or negative.   But what ever the general public thought of the band going into a Vegas residency, they still think it.  I say this because there is zero promotion of the resedecy out side of Vegas.  So general public Joe Blow, wouldn't even have a clue that the band is playing there.   Unless they actively seek out that info, or are from the city

[jarmo]

Europe has not been played in ages though!

Aren't you doing the happy dance?


/jarmo

[sky dog]

ridiculous conversation yet again from the "idealist" who seems to know what is best for the person named Axl Rose....he lives his life, you live whatever it is you live. More Ivory Tower BULLSHIT...and don't even remotely fuck with any version of Elvis.

[EmilyGNR]

I wouldn't go to Vegas if you paid me. Horrible tacky place.

You are clearly deluded and not in touch with reality.

I enjoyed both residencies, it was great to be able to attend multiple shows without traveling.

[TheBaconman]

I wouldn't go to Vegas if you paid me. Horrible tacky place.

You are clearly deluded and not in touch with reality.

I enjoyed both residencies, it was great to be able to attend multiple shows without traveling.

Oh ya I as well loved it.   I would also welcome any future resedicies      I would prefer a city or country I haven't travelled to give me a great excuse to go spend a week there.  However if it wa Begas again, I would book my ticket with a smile

And hope to see you there so I could buy you a couple of shots

[pilferk]

For example....   Would you have a problem if Axl did a 20 show engagment in London?

They've more or less done that, with both the theater mini-tour in and around NYC and the Hammerstein shows (which, honestly, were pretty much an NYC residency...no?)

I'd LOVE to see them do another one on the east coast....and if they were doing the same thing in L.A. or NYC or Miami or Boston or...well, you get the picture...I doubt we'd hear a peep.

Actually...we probably would, from someone.  Because there are people who are always gonna bitch, who are always going to be looking for something, ANYTHING, to complain about....no matter what happens.  It's true of pretty much any topic on the interwebz.

[JAEBALL]

How many freaking threads are we going to talk about one person's hatred for Las vegas?

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[D-GenerationX]

How many freaking threads are we going to talk about one person's hatred for Las vegas?

I just don't get it. 

Its a super fun town.  I go every year.  Last year, went twice.

Its basically impossible to not have fun there.

[JAEBALL]

How many freaking threads are we going to talk about one person's hatred for Las vegas?

I just don't get it. 

Its a super fun town.  I go every year.  Last year, went twice.

Its basically impossible to not have fun there.

Agreed. Going next week for "holiday" as my Euro friends would say.

But his dislike for Axl playing there is in every freaking thread.