DJ Ashba fights with random dude

[AxlsMainMan]

If DJ sends Axl 10, 4 min instrumental tracks.  Axl says they are great we could really use these one day, but never does....   Is DJ now allowed to take those same 10 songs and release them under one of his other bands?

The real question is.   Why would any of these guys want to create or turn over some of there a1, draw dropping, mind blowing material to Axl.   Knowing that it is just going to be shelved and god knows when it will be released ?

I have asked this same thing.

If I came up with something great, am I giving it to Axl to collect dust?  Literally any other avenue I choose gets it out quicker.

Somewhere, Robin Finck is sitting over drinks telling someone his tale of woe of having written some of the best stuff he ever came up with...12-15 years ago...and no one will ever hear it.

Just a guess, but I'd assume that anything recorded on Axl/Gn'R's dime belongs to Axl to use if he sees fit. However, if Tommy or Dj were to record material on their own dime and send it to Axl, I would think there would have to be a written or verbal agreement transferring ownership of that material so that it could potentially be used for a Guns' album by Axl.

[GeorgeSteele]

If DJ sends Axl 10, 4 min instrumental tracks.  Axl says they are great we could really use these one day, but never does....   Is DJ now allowed to take those same 10 songs and release them under one of his other bands?

The real question is.   Why would any of these guys want to create or turn over some of there a1, draw dropping, mind blowing material to Axl.   Knowing that it is just going to be shelved and god knows when it will be released ?

I have asked this same thing.

If I came up with something great, am I giving it to Axl to collect dust?  Literally any other avenue I choose gets it out quicker.

Somewhere, Robin Finck is sitting over drinks telling someone his tale of woe of having written some of the best stuff he ever came up with...12-15 years ago...and no one will ever hear it.

Right, but how many people would have heard Finck's stuff if he released it on his own?  Would the riff on Better have been developed into such a great song without Axl involved?

For example, what has gotten Buckethead more royalties and exposure?  His stuff on CD or his 172 solo albums?

[D-GenerationX]

I don't think there will ever be a GNR release featuring whoever is in the band post Bucket and Robin.

I could be wrong, that's just my opinion, and I base that off of the evidence at hand or lack thereof.

it would just be a shame if the other half of Chinese doesn't ever see the light of the day either... for whatever reasons.

Agree with all of this.

If its this much of a struggle to release songs already done, how can you seriously think anything brand new starting from scratch will ever get done?  No shot.

[D-GenerationX]

Right, but how many people would have heard Finck's stuff if he released it on his own?  Would the riff on Better have been developed into such a great song without Axl involved?

For example, what has gotten Buckethead more royalties and exposure?  His stuff on CD or his 172 solo albums?

Oh, all very legit.

But if you are Robin, the stuff you did with Axl is his "girlfriend that lives in Niagara Falls".  He can talk about it all the time, but he can never seem to produce it.

I agree with your point that GNR is a better avenue to get something heard.  But sitting in a vault ain't helping anybody.

[jarmo]

To me it says they worked on songs during the Chinese sessions, and in addition worked on and wrote more since Chinese was released.

/jarmo

When you look at the full quote, it seems to be about "the second half of Chinese."

?We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out,? Rose says. ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That?s already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That?s been done for a while, too. But after Vegas [Guns N? Roses is performing a residency at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino that runs through June 7, 2014], we?re going to start looking very seriously at what we?re doing in that regard.?

Why does the quote specify new things?
If it's only about the songs previously written and worked on during the Chinese era, why would you mention "new things"?

Somebody with knowledge of the English language explain to me how that excludes GN'R writing anything new. Thanks.


/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Why does the quote specify new things?
If it's only about the songs previously written and worked on during the Chinese era, why would you mention "new things"?

Somebody with knowledge of the English language explain to me how that excludes GN'R writing anything new. Thanks.

So we're really going to start taking quotes from Axl and the others absolutely literally?  That's a road you want to go down?

Would you like about 100 examples of things that were said that didn't pan out?

[sky dog]

on the surface, you have to take it literally...there is nothing in that comment that has to "pan out".

[jarmo]

Didn't pan out isn't the fucking issue.

The issue is you taking a quote and spinning it.
You can't deny what he said, only because it doesn't fit your own agenda that "nothing has been worked on". It's really that simple.

Now, that doesn't mean these new things will come out at a time table that suits you. That's a totally different matter and a different source for whining.  



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

on the surface, you have to take it literally...there is nothing in that comment that has to "pan out".

OK, well, maybe you'll step up where Jarmo seems to get stricken with laryngitis.

I, personally, assume if we get anything at all, its going to be 'Chinese' leftovers with a few additions here and there from DJ and Frank.  I do not forsee any sort of new songs written in the past 5 years on the next album.

Do you think we will see any sort of Rose/Ashba type efforts on any possible next album?

[jarmo]

Dancing around the issue.
Once again, you're never wrong because you choose not to admit it. 



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

I've moved on to other folks that might actually be interested in a conversation on the matter, Jarmo.

Maybe if you head off to see The Wizard, you can one day join us in that endeavor.

[AxlsMainMan]

Do you think we will see any sort of Rose/Ashba type efforts on any possible next album?

Even if new songs written from scratch with the current lineup don't make the next album, Dj exchanging solos with Robin or Buckethead on an already recorded song the way Robin and Buckethead exchange solos on the Chinese' title track could be cool.

[D-GenerationX]

Even if new songs written from scratch with the current lineup don't make the next album, Dj exchanging solos with Robin or Buckethead on an already recorded song the way Robin and Buckethead exchange solos on the Chinese' title track could be cool.

No doubt.

And let's be honest, most of us just want some new songs.  Bucket/Robin stuff untouched, Bucket/Robin stuff with additions from Ron or DJ, or even brand new stuff from Rose/Ashba.  I don't think any of us would quibble over any particular form new material takes.

I just think, of that list, the Rose/Ashba option is an incredible longshot.  And really, Bucket/Robin stuff untouched is also probably unlikely.  Bucket/Robin stuff with flourishes from DJ/Ron is the best bet, in my view. 

[jarmo]

I've moved on to other folks that might actually be interested in a conversation on the matter, Jarmo.

Maybe if you head off to see The Wizard, you can one day join us in that endeavor.

Your constant need for lame insults is nothing new.
You're obviously unable to take in facts that go against whatever resides inside your mind. New information is not welcome there.

You started repeating a twisted version of an actual fact as something you knew as a fact, then when questioned about it, you chose to point your finger elsewhere to draw attention to it.

You want to discuss things? Right. I got a bridge to sell.  

Even if new songs written from scratch with the current lineup don't make the next album, Dj exchanging solos with Robin or Buckethead on an already recorded song the way Robin and Buckethead exchange solos on the Chinese' title track could be cool.

Yeah. I agree with that.




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

You want to discuss things?

OK, let's try again.  You ducked it the first time, perhaps you can catch it on the rebound.

Do you think there is much chance any sort of Rose/Ashba type song has been done in the past 5 years and would find its way onto the next album?

This is not hard.  Its a yes/no question.  This is not a court of law, and no one is going to carve it in stone.

But if you are going to get this charged up when someone tells you they think its a pipe dream, I think it only fair you go on record with what your read is.

Yes...or no?

[FunkyMonkey]

To me it says they worked on songs during the Chinese sessions, and in addition worked on and wrote more since Chinese was released.

/jarmo

When you look at the full quote, it seems to be about "the second half of Chinese."

?We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out,? Rose says. ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That?s already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That?s been done for a while, too. But after Vegas [Guns N? Roses is performing a residency at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino that runs through June 7, 2014], we?re going to start looking very seriously at what we?re doing in that regard.?

Why does the quote specify new things?
If it's only about the songs previously written and worked on during the Chinese era, why would you mention "new things"?

Somebody with knowledge of the English language explain to me how that excludes GN'R writing anything new. Thanks.

/jarmo

He mentions "a few new things" when referring to the second half of Chinese ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese."

The "new things" pertain to the second half of Chinese.

[D-GenerationX]

You could maybe make the argument that "some new things" could wind up being part of "the second half of Chinese"

That maybe something new done within the past 5 years could accompany old leftover Bucket/Robin stuff.

But my question is...what does your gut tell you?  I know what Axl said.  Axl says a lot of things. 

Yet in your heart of hearts, do you think there will be something new done within the past 5 years in that tracklist?

[Ginger King]

To me it says they worked on songs during the Chinese sessions, and in addition worked on and wrote more since Chinese was released.

/jarmo

When you look at the full quote, it seems to be about "the second half of Chinese."

?We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out,? Rose says. ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That?s already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That?s been done for a while, too. But after Vegas [Guns N? Roses is performing a residency at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino that runs through June 7, 2014], we?re going to start looking very seriously at what we?re doing in that regard.?

Why does the quote specify new things?
If it's only about the songs previously written and worked on during the Chinese era, why would you mention "new things"?

Somebody with knowledge of the English language explain to me how that excludes GN'R writing anything new. Thanks.

/jarmo

He mentions "a few new things" when referring to the second half of Chinese ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese."

The "new things" pertain to the second half of Chinese.

Thank you.

[14 Yrs Of Silence]

You could maybe make the argument that "some new things" could wind up being part of "the second half of Chinese"

That maybe something new done within the past 5 years could accompany old leftover Bucket/Robin stuff.

But my question is...what does your gut tell you?  I know what Axl said.  Axl says a lot of things. 

Yet in your heart of hearts, do you think there will be something new done within the past 5 years in that tracklist?

Do you realize that you just wrote that 'Axl says a lot of thing'?

[sky dog]

about to say, he rarely if ever talks about his music or his business...very rarely.