DJ Ashba fights with random dude

[D-GenerationX]

"label is holding him back, artistic integrity, he just doesn?t want to"

probably a combo of the 3.....

I would say.   He just doesnt want too

Why would the label be holding him back?   

I would agree with the artistic stuff as well, but that is pretty much the same as Axl just doesn't want to release anything   (It would be one of the reasons he has)

It all comes down to Axl not wanting to release anything.   I think

Are you telling me that not one of these songs is mind blowing enough that he just can't find a way to release it in some form?   The band released songs via video games and movie soundtracks and commercials years ago.  If truely there was one song that lit the fire under Axl I am sure he would of found a way to get it out to us.   

Hell if just the music the guys have wrote was earth shattering jaw dropping g.  Why not just release it as a instrumental for the back drop of some movie or something.....    Artists do this all the time

One song!!!!!!

Great post, Baconman.  Very well said.

Ultimately, this isn't happening because Axl can't be bothered.    Doesn't mean the label hasn't been a problem in some areas.  Doesn't mean there aren't other issues.

But most things in life come down to "want to".  You can make a million excuses why you don't exercise, but, end of the day...the biggest reason is that you just don't want to.

Well, a new album is Axl's exercise bike.  And he doesn't want to ride the damn thing.

[D-GenerationX]

Out of that quote this is what I get

There were tons of songs recorded durring the CD album process that haven't been released  (both lyrics and music).   

The band in its current state has worked on some music. (Be it, tinkering with those above unreleased songs, or supplies Axl with some new riffs or melodies)

As per Axl saying they have have been working on things.   I take this to mean Axl has been working in a producers roll.  Playing around with all the above mentioned material.

However. 

I have a feeling he hasn't layed down any serious vocal tracks in a very long time

I think when there is talk of working on things, its working on existing songs that have been around for some time.  And dating back to previous sessions and band incarnations.

I do not believe anything new has been done from scratch in YEARS.  And certainly nothing with the current guys on stage.

[HBK]

Listen Bon Jovi, Simply

 

[TheBaconman]

Out of that quote this is what I get

There were tons of songs recorded durring the CD album process that haven't been released  (both lyrics and music).   

The band in its current state has worked on some music. (Be it, tinkering with those above unreleased songs, or supplies Axl with some new riffs or melodies)

As per Axl saying they have have been working on things.   I take this to mean Axl has been working in a producers roll.  Playing around with all the above mentioned material.

However. 

I have a feeling he hasn't layed down any serious vocal tracks in a very long time

I think when there is talk of working on things, its working on existing songs that have been around for some time.  And dating back to previous sessions and band incarnations.

I do not believe anything new has been done from scratch in YEARS.  And certainly nothing with the current guys on stage.

Question now for you and for the board

So if the agreed apon process of writing songs in the band, is for the most part they are not in a studio all together.  But writte/compose/produce seperatly    Sending material back and forth etc....

How does it work with all these musicians being in other full time bands?  For example

If DJ sends Axl 10, 4 min instrumental tracks.  Axl says they are great we could really use these one day, but never does....   Is DJ now allowed to take those same 10 songs and release them under one of his other bands?

The real question is.   Why would any of these guys want to create or turn over some of there a1, draw dropping, mind blowing material to Axl.   Knowing that it is just going to be shelved and god knows when it will be released ?

I remember hearing that durring slashes "trial" period of being an employee to the band.   He had a certain window of time. And after that time any tracks that he recorded or produced while in the studio would be property of guns n roses

[D-GenerationX]

If DJ sends Axl 10, 4 min instrumental tracks.  Axl says they are great we could really use these one day, but never does....   Is DJ now allowed to take those same 10 songs and release them under one of his other bands?

The real question is.   Why would any of these guys want to create or turn over some of there a1, draw dropping, mind blowing material to Axl.   Knowing that it is just going to be shelved and god knows when it will be released ?

I have asked this same thing.

If I came up with something great, am I giving it to Axl to collect dust?  Literally any other avenue I choose gets it out quicker.

Somewhere, Robin Finck is sitting over drinks telling someone his tale of woe of having written some of the best stuff he ever came up with...12-15 years ago...and no one will ever hear it.

[TheBaconman]

If DJ sends Axl 10, 4 min instrumental tracks.  Axl says they are great we could really use these one day, but never does....   Is DJ now allowed to take those same 10 songs and release them under one of his other bands?

The real question is.   Why would any of these guys want to create or turn over some of there a1, draw dropping, mind blowing material to Axl.   Knowing that it is just going to be shelved and god knows when it will be released ?

I have asked this same thing.

If I came up with something great, am I giving it to Axl to collect dust?  Literally any other avenue I choose gets it out quicker.

Somewhere, Robin Finck is sitting over drinks telling someone his tale of woe of having written some of the best stuff he ever came up with...12-15 years ago...and no one will ever hear it.

From an artist stand point I can feel for both Robin and bucket having there work shelved for years.   Hell some of buckets stuff even got replaced!  So not only did we not get to hear it we may never get to hear it

But

Those two guys got paid a good sallery every month to record those songs and got some pretty good writing royalties once the album came out.   So financially they did ok

As for the current guys that are not on a sallery and would only get paid via a tour of for an album....    Where is the incentive to turn over top notch stuff to Axl?

If Tommy writes a killer 3 min rock/punk track with a killer hook.  Is he going to send it to Axl?  Or keep it for himself, with the excuse its not really gnr..   

[FunkyMonkey]

To me it says they worked on songs during the Chinese sessions, and in addition worked on and wrote more since Chinese was released.

/jarmo

When you look at the full quote, it seems to be about "the second half of Chinese."

?We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out,? Rose says. ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That?s already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That?s been done for a while, too. But after Vegas [Guns N? Roses is performing a residency at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino that runs through June 7, 2014], we?re going to start looking very seriously at what we?re doing in that regard.?

[TheBaconman]

To me it says they worked on songs during the Chinese sessions, and in addition worked on and wrote more since Chinese was released.

/jarmo

When you look at the full quote, it seems to be about "the second half of Chinese."

?We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out,? Rose says. ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That?s already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That?s been done for a while, too. But after Vegas [Guns N? Roses is performing a residency at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino that runs through June 7, 2014], we?re going to start looking very seriously at what we?re doing in that regard.?

When Axl says "we're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard"

Who do you think the "we're" is??

[FunkyMonkey]

When Axl says "we're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard"

Who do you think the "we're" is??

Axl.

[TheBaconman]

When Axl says "we're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard"

Who do you think the "we're" is??

Axl.

hahaha yes I am thinking the same thing..   Just seems pretty strange to use the word "we're".   I cant really see the band and management sitting down in a board room and Axl looking over at Frank and asking for his input to the future of guns music.

[Ginger King]

To me it says they worked on songs during the Chinese sessions, and in addition worked on and wrote more since Chinese was released.

/jarmo

When you look at the full quote, it seems to be about "the second half of Chinese."

?We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out,? Rose says. ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That?s already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That?s been done for a while, too. But after Vegas [Guns N? Roses is performing a residency at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino that runs through June 7, 2014], we?re going to start looking very seriously at what we?re doing in that regard.?

And in that year+, what has been done in that regard?  No one knows.  How long can you rely on "mixing and mastering" before it's apparent that there's no real interest in releasing it...or maybe a casual interest at best?

[D-GenerationX]

When Axl says "we're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard"

Who do you think the "we're" is??

Axl.

hahaha yes I am thinking the same thing..   Just seems pretty strange to use the word "we're".   I cant really see the band and management sitting down in a board room and Axl looking over at Frank and asking for his input to the future of guns music.

Hahahaha

I assume he just used "we're" as a catch all term for the GNR operation.

We all know only one guy's opinion really matters.

[EmilyGNR]

If DJ sends Axl 10, 4 min instrumental tracks.  Axl says they are great we could really use these one day, but never does....   Is DJ now allowed to take those same 10 songs and release them under one of his other bands?

The real question is.   Why would any of these guys want to create or turn over some of there a1, draw dropping, mind blowing material to Axl.   Knowing that it is just going to be shelved and god knows when it will be released ?

I have asked this same thing.

If I came up with something great, am I giving it to Axl to collect dust?  Literally any other avenue I choose gets it out quicker.

Somewhere, Robin Finck is sitting over drinks telling someone his tale of woe of having written some of the best stuff he ever came up with...12-15 years ago...and no one will ever hear it.

Somewhere, a random forum poster tries to convince himself and others of his faux knowledge and questionable wit by inventing and concocting fantasy scenarios.

[EmilyGNR]

To me it says they worked on songs during the Chinese sessions, and in addition worked on and wrote more since Chinese was released.

/jarmo

When you look at the full quote, it seems to be about "the second half of Chinese."

?We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out,? Rose says. ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That?s already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That?s been done for a while, too. But after Vegas [Guns N? Roses is performing a residency at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino that runs through June 7, 2014], we?re going to start looking very seriously at what we?re doing in that regard.?

And in that year+, what has been done in that regard?  No one knows.  How long can you rely on "mixing and mastering" before it's apparent that there's no real interest in releasing it...or maybe a casual interest at best?

So tell us what your time limit is for mixing and mastering, as well as why others should abide and operate by your time constraints. 

[draguns]

When Axl says "we're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard"

Who do you think the "we're" is??

Axl.

hahaha yes I am thinking the same thing..   Just seems pretty strange to use the word "we're".   I cant really see the band and management sitting down in a board room and Axl looking over at Frank and asking for his input to the future of guns music.

Not really strange dude. "We" gets used a lot in the corporate world. Btw, you've been getting much better at writing. I've liked and agreed with your posts.

[Ginger King]

To me it says they worked on songs during the Chinese sessions, and in addition worked on and wrote more since Chinese was released.

/jarmo

When you look at the full quote, it seems to be about "the second half of Chinese."

?We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out,? Rose says. ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That?s already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That?s been done for a while, too. But after Vegas [Guns N? Roses is performing a residency at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino that runs through June 7, 2014], we?re going to start looking very seriously at what we?re doing in that regard.?

And in that year+, what has been done in that regard?  No one knows.  How long can you rely on "mixing and mastering" before it's apparent that there's no real interest in releasing it...or maybe a casual interest at best?

So tell us what your time limit is for mixing and mastering, as well as why others should abide and operate by your time constraints. 

It's shorter than 6 years, longer than 1.  And, when an album+ worth of songs are "already recorded" and "been done for a while"...it's even shorter. 

[DeN]

Somewhere, a random forum poster tries to convince himself and others of his faux knowledge and questionable wit by inventing and concocting fantasy scenarios.

 


please Mister Axl Rose, release soon a single to avoid us reading these fantasies.

[JAEBALL]

I don't think there will ever be a GNR release featuring whoever is in the band post Bucket and Robin.

I could be wrong, that's just my opinion, and I base that off of the evidence at hand or lack thereof.

it would just be a shame if the other half of Chinese doesn't ever see the light of the day either... for whatever reasons.

[sky dog]

for the record, it only takes a few weeks to master an album.....mixing is a different story...especially mixing songs with six guitar parts, two bass parts, 5 keyboard parts and orchestration! 

[JAEBALL]

for the record, it only takes a few weeks to master an album.....mixing is a different story...especially mixing songs with six guitar parts, two bass parts, 5 keyboard parts and orchestration! 

HaHa yeah... there are a lot of moving parts...

Many people have stated this before... but it tends to get overlooked by some for whatever reason...

When Axl really WANTS to release an album... he will...