What's your feeling on the next live performance?

[TheBaconman]

If bucket and Robin really liked and we're proud of the material they created during CD. Why haven't they ever played anything from it, during the other live concerts.   I have never seen bucket break out one of his guns solos.  Or Robin try and play anything from guns live.

Most,other guys that are in bands that have written songs, once they leave.  Take a a couple as there own to play on there own live.

I think so.

Bucket is clear cut as can be.  He forbade discussion of his time with GNR on his site, the only one of the myriad of projects he is involved where that happened.  Not the actions of a man that left with good feelings.

With Robin, just look at the facts.  Axl gave him more of a chance to show his creative wares than Trent ever did.  Robin spends the better part of a decade on the project.  When the payoff is about to come (finally) he bolts to go back to being a session musician/touring band guy for Trent.  Who is picking that set-up if they are happy where they are?

As for playing stuff he did with GNR live, Trent is unlikely to allow that given how he feels about Axl.  He trolls him pretty hard.  So that part does not surprise me.

Has Robin done any solo shows since leaving guns?  Or has it all been with NIN

[D-GenerationX]

Has Robin done any solo shows since leaving guns?  Or has it all been with NIN

I think there was talk of a solo album at some point.  But I don't think it ever happened.

[TheBaconman]

Has Robin done any solo shows since leaving guns?  Or has it all been with NIN

I think there was talk of a solo album at some point.  But I don't think it ever happened.

Well I read the interview where Robin talks about that solo album and gnr....   

But I doubt his solo album would have anything to do with anything he did with guns as well

What I was getting at was, has Robin done any solo live shows...  Outside of guns, outside of NIN....  I would like to know if he has, if he broke out any of his guns work

[jarmo]

I don't think he has done solo shows, more like he's played with other people.



/jarmo

[sky dog]

Here is the extent of Robin Finck's ascap writing credits. He is going to do a solo show of songs he wrote with 8 other people? 

1.BETTER Work ID: 323536438

2.CATCHER IN THE RYE Work ID: 334474378

3.CHINESE DEMOCRACY Work ID: 334393698

4.PROSTITUTE Work ID: 463436497

5.RIAD N' THE BEDOUINS Work ID: 482479334

6.SHACKLER S REVENGE Work ID: 495999098

7.STREET OF DREAMS Work ID: 497227195

evidently Trent doesn't hand out writing credits as generously as Axl! 

[D-GenerationX]

evidently Trent doesn't hand out writing credits as generously as Axl! 

And this is what I was getting at.  Axl gave Robin way more of a chance to express himself than Trent ever did.

So if you have a choice between a band where you were allowed great input and freedom versus one where you are just a hired hand session type of guy, why would you pick the latter unless things with the former went south?

[jarmo]

So if you have a choice between a band where you were allowed great input and freedom versus one where you are just a hired hand session type of guy, why would you pick the latter unless things with the former went south?

Well, exercising my free thinking here. You want to play live? Or it pays the bills? Or you had a fun time with the band in the past and it seems like a good idea? Or it fits your schedule?





/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

So if you have a choice between a band where you were allowed great input and freedom versus one where you are just a hired hand session type of guy, why would you pick the latter unless things with the former went south?

Well, exercising my free thinking here. You want to play live? Or it pays the bills? Or you had a fun time with the band in the past and it seems like a good idea? Or it fits your schedule?

Sure.  Or it could be the thing I said.

Aren't you the guy in the other thread telling me that you are about different opinions?  Well, we got one here, looks like. 

You have what you think, and I have what I think.  The big difference is that I'm not going to jump up and down until you agree to recant yours. 

We just see it differently, guy.  If you agree, great.  If you disagree, hey, that's life. 

[jarmo]

Except my points are based on common sense and not feelings.

You think that because he quit, something must've upset him. So he can't under no circumstances be happy about his time in GN'R, or want anything to do with them.
You feel this is how it is. Taking in information does not matter. The feeling is there, not changing. Robin got upset and quit. That's it. That makes sense to you.

Other people look at it and go "ah, makes sense. GN'R wasn't touring, Robin got an offer from his old friend and took it. Then GN'R hired Dj so the vacancy was occupied".

I bet even if Robin told you that you're wrong, you'd think he's just protecting Axl! 



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Except my points are based on common sense and not feelings.

Hmm, I'm not so sure about that in this case.

Both of us are giving very plausible reasons why things went how they want.  But what is the disconnect?

I would argue its you pushing back hard on what you see as a negative connotation.  It bothers you.  That's emotion, not just cold, detached analysis of facts on the ground.

I don't dismiss out of hand what you have suggested, because it all makes sense, on paper.  If that's what you think, that's what you think.  And maybe its right.  Fine by me.  I don't agree, but I can't rule it out.

But what I think?  Unacceptable.  I need to stop saying it and I need to stop saying it right now.  Because its not a picture you want to see painted.  Nowhere am I claiming that my opinion is the gospel truth.  But, to you, even suggesting it is out of bounds.

That's a emotional response.

[jarmo]

What you say is always based on the image in your head. Nobody likes to be wrong. You really want to believe you have an understanding of what these people think and how they work. After all, you bought the albums and copied them for your friends. you know your stuff. Or so you'd like to think.

From my experiences, you don't always quit a job, change a school, stop hanging out with somebody or whatever because you don't like it. Things just happen. It's life.
Anything GN'R related to you, is based on the simple fact that they can't stand being in GN'R. It's never that person, it's always GN'R. Because that's the image in your head.




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

What you say is always based on the image in your head. Nobody likes to be wrong. You really want to believe you have an understanding of what these people think and how they work. After all, you bought the albums and copied them for your friends. you know your stuff. Or so you'd like to think.

From my experiences, you don't always quit a job, change a school, stop hanging out with somebody or whatever because you don't like it. Things just happen. It's life.
Anything GN'R related to you, is based on the simple fact that they can't stand being in GN'R. It's never that person, it's always GN'R. Because that's the image in your head.

We seem to be shifting more from the topic at hand to long standing problems you have with me, personally.  Which I think are well documented.

And will be brought up again during the next topic we disagree on.  You tend to not need much of an opening to start talking about me the person instead of the topic.

I've come to accept that's just how things are.  Such is life.

[jarmo]

In order to "argue", it helps to understand why the other person is saying what he's saying. Hence I'm explaining the difference between what makes "sense" to you, and what makes sense to me.
I know, this requires some free thinking. But, it's not really a whole lot of it. Maybe it's too much for some.



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

In order to "argue", it helps to understand why the other person is saying what he's saying. Hence I'm explaining the difference between what makes "sense" to you, and what makes sense to me.
I know, this requires some free thinking. But, it's not really a whole lot of it. Maybe it's too much for some.

I guess I got just confused.

Confused how a discussion about why Robin left the band winds up coming back a comment I made, a year ago now, about burning CDs for some friends.

That's on me, I suppose.  Looking at it now, the connection is pretty obvious.  I don't think you can have the Robin leaving discussion without it, really.

[jarmo]

Haha! I used it in a descriptive manner. Just a little harmless ball busting.

Like I said, I described why you say the things you say. I painted a picture using words. Maybe it was too many words. 



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Haha! I used it in a descriptive manner. Just a little harmless ball busting.

Yeah, you're getting better with that.  Credit where its due.

[jarmo]

Thanks, but I think it's been pretty constant at least for quite some time now... 



/jarmo

[raindogs70]

Robin could go back to GNR but it would probably be more about working on existing songs he took part in. No one knows what Axl has planned and he seems to like it that way.

The next live performance probably comes down to what offers someone sends them to do shows and add some gigs surrounding those dates, and maybe there will be new songs.

[HBK]

Robin could go back to GNR but it would probably be more about working on existing songs he took part in. No one knows what Axl has planned and he seems to like it that way.

The next live performance probably comes down to what offers someone sends them to do shows and add some gigs surrounding those dates, and maybe there will be new songs.

gOOd iDEa