One Man's Plan To Reunite Guns N' Roses (Mini-Doc)

[jarmo]

Your details are self centered and you're unable to take in information and think of something else. It's all "but I don't want it, so it can't be a good idea".

Every step of the way, somebody needs to hold your hand and explain everything. No free thinking on your part.


A box set is a bad idea because it won't sell? The counter argument to that is, you budget it to sell less, make the calculations and then think again. You're not interested in taking the discussion this far, you've already moved on to something else because "I wouldn't buy it and neither would Joe Average".

You can't make public service announcements such as "that's not how business works" and then offer so little understanding of how things might work. It makes no sense.

You come across as somebody who wants to think they know stuff, but often you've managed to prove how little you actually know. I know it's maybe not how you might see yourself. But that's life. No shame in admitting you don't know shit about shit.

I don't know a lot, if anything, about the music business. But I sure as hell wouldn't say "no" to everything considering how many less popular acts have released expensive boxsets and obviously they didn't just calculate to make a loss on those...




/jarmo

[pilferk]

Yeah, packaging, etc, not my thing either. I mean..don't get me wrong..it's NICE. But it's not what drives me to buy.

You can copy the music and put in on your device. But looking at a picture on a screen isn't the same as flipping through a proper booklet/book with the artwork. Or even opening up a box, gatefold vinyl or whatever.
You can't recreate that part. Or copy it for everybody to download for free.
/jarmo

Yup, I get it.  It's the benefits of "physical" vs digital. The feel of the page, smell of the paper/vinyl.

For some folks (maybe a lot of them), those things, mentioned, would be a driving force. I can see why it would be compelling. You have an object sitting on your shelf..to display, to look over any time the mood strikes (without tech), to caress....MY PRECIOUS..Oh, wait, sorry...where was I again? Oh, yeah!

For me, it would be the material/content (some of which IS better, I guess, in physical, (linear notes, pictures, etc) format), some of it is the obsessive completionist in me, and some of it is the "that's just fucking cool", chase the shinies nature of my being.

And that's OK.  Something for everyone!

[D-GenerationX]

Your details are self centered and you're unable to take in information and think of something else. It's all "but I don't want it, so it can't be a good idea".

Every step of the way, somebody needs to hold your hand and explain everything. No free thinking on your part.


A box set is a bad idea because it won't sell? The counter argument to that is, you budget it to sell less, make the calculations and then think again. You're not interested in taking the discussion this far, you've already moved on to something else because "I wouldn't buy it and neither would Joe Average".

You can't make public service announcements such as "that's not how business works" and then offer so little understanding of how things might work. It makes no sense.

You come across as somebody who wants to think they know stuff, but often you've managed to prove how little you actually know. I know it's maybe not how you might see yourself. But that's life. No shame in admitting you don't know shit about shit.

I don't know a lot, if anything, about the music business. But I sure as hell wouldn't say "no" to everything considering how many less popular acts have released expensive boxsets and obviously they didn't just calculate to make a loss on those...

You sure do spend a lot of time psycho analyzing a guy that you could allegedly take or leave.

Thanks, though.  I'll be sure to take it all under advisement.  Bet that.

[jarmo]

Took me about 15 seconds. You're not the first of this type I've encountered since I started to use the Internet back in the 1990s.... 

Yup, I get it.  It's the benefits of "physical" vs digital. The feel of the page, smell of the paper/vinyl.

For some folks (maybe a lot of them), those things, mentioned, would be a driving force. I can see why it would be compelling. You have an object sitting on your shelf..to display, to look over any time the mood strikes (without tech), to caress....

That's the one thing you can't just copy and distribute digitally.
The audio and video. Sure. The rest, not so easy.

That's where the value is these days... Just look at all those super ultra deluxe box sets. They often come with the same music as the cheaper edition(s), but there's just more stuff. Posters, postcards, books, pins, shirts, stickers...




/jarmo
 

[D-GenerationX]

Yup, I get it.  It's the benefits of "physical" vs digital. The feel of the page, smell of the paper/vinyl.

For some folks (maybe a lot of them), those things, mentioned, would be a driving force. I can see why it would be compelling. You have an object sitting on your shelf..to display, to look over any time the mood strikes (without tech), to caress....MY PRECIOUS..Oh, wait, sorry...where was I again? Oh, yeah!

For me, it would be the material/content (some of which IS better, I guess, in physical, (linear notes, pictures, etc) format), some of it is the obsessive completionist in me, and some of it is the "that's just fucking cool", chase the shinies nature of my being.

And that's OK.  Something for everyone!

You might also have to do something like Bob Dylan does with his re-issues.

He offers the full monty package, which is what you are talking about.  All sorts of bells and whistles.

But, there is also an option to just buy the CD(s) themselves.  That's likely the direction I would go if they ever put something like this out.

[D-GenerationX]

Took me about 15 seconds. You're not the first of this type I've encountered since I started to use the Internet back in the 1990s.... 
 

Did they also live rent free in your head?  Does seem sort of crowded in here, now that I think about it.

[pilferk]

Yup, I get it.  It's the benefits of "physical" vs digital. The feel of the page, smell of the paper/vinyl.

For some folks (maybe a lot of them), those things, mentioned, would be a driving force. I can see why it would be compelling. You have an object sitting on your shelf..to display, to look over any time the mood strikes (without tech), to caress....MY PRECIOUS..Oh, wait, sorry...where was I again? Oh, yeah!

For me, it would be the material/content (some of which IS better, I guess, in physical, (linear notes, pictures, etc) format), some of it is the obsessive completionist in me, and some of it is the "that's just fucking cool", chase the shinies nature of my being.

And that's OK.  Something for everyone!

You might also have to do something like Bob Dylan does with his re-issues.

He offers the full monty package, which is what you are talking about.  All sorts of bells and whistles.

But, there is also an option to just buy the CD(s) themselves.  That's likely the direction I would go if they ever put something like this out.

See, that's the kicker.  I think, if you do that, you instantly canablize the market for the product.  You just demonstrated why that might be.

You'll get folks who will buy the boxed set BECAUSE it's the only way to get at that material, legally.

I think selling the individual disks at $10, or whatever, means you sell less $150 box sets. I don't know how MANY less, but...that's 15:1 ratio in revenue.  For every 1 box set you lose, you have to sell 15 of those individual discs to make up for the lost revenue.

That material has to be exclusive to THAT set to really monetize it properly, IMHO.  That's what justfies the premium price.

(And yes, I know we're ignoring the elephant wearing the eyepatch and saying "ARGGGGHHHH" in the corner of the room).

[D-GenerationX]

See, that's the kicker.  I think, if you do that, you instantly canablize the market for the product.  You just demonstrated why that might be.

You'll get folks who will buy the boxed set BECAUSE it's the only way to get at that material, legally.

I think selling the individual disks at $10, or whatever, means you sell less $150 box sets. I don't know how MANY less, but...that's 15:1 ratio in revenue.  For every 1 box set you lose, you have to sell 15 of those individual discs to make up for the lost revenue.

That material has to be exclusive to THAT set to really monetize it properly, IMHO.  That's what justfies the premium price.

(And yes, I know we're ignoring the elephant wearing the eyepatch and saying "ARGGGGHHHH" in the corner of the room).

Hahahaha

I agree with you.

Dad is a huge Dylan and will often splurge for whatever he put out.  Yet not always.

Not every re-issue is 'Blood On The Tracks'.  Sometimes, its 'Self Portrait'.

[jarmo]

Did they also live rent free in your head?  Does seem sort of crowded in here, now that I think about it.

Yet another case of you thinking you know stuff, and taking yourself way too seriously.....



/jarmo

[oldfan]

wheres part 2?

[EmilyGNR]

wheres part 2?

Here it is.
http://uproxx.com/music/2015/04/guns-and-roses-documentary-part-2/

[oldfan]

thanks great video 

[Ja5oN]

Did you attend any of the Casino shows?

Thought they were quit excellent myself.  Getting better and better as they progressed.

A reunion for 'money and nostalgia' would be terrible. Far better to play Appetite in casinos. Oh, wait...

[axlvai]

I dont know whats the problem if the reunion will be for money or not.... thats not our problem or issue. The music will born naturally.

If Ax or anyone do the reunion for music or whatever... will be money around!!! Like when GNR was poor and signed 4 first time....

And fuck the money. GnR can do the reunion by itself. And if the money comes.. good too.

I really think when Ax do eye contact with Slash in a hotel or walking in some backstage... thats it. Is impossible dont talk.

Sorry 4 the native english.

[Bridge]

Loved Part 2 with Tom Zutaut.... has Part 3 made air yet?

[EmilyGNR]

Loved Part 2 with Tom Zutaut.... has Part 3 made air yet?

Not yet, I understand it will involve some women from the day, will post when it comes out

[Spirit]

Part 3 is up: http://uproxx.com/music/2015/05/guns-n-roses-part-3/

[Bridge]

Part 3 is up: http://uproxx.com/music/2015/05/guns-n-roses-part-3/

Nice.

There is another video on youtube that goes into more detail about Adriana (she is interviewed there too) where she talks about her relationship with Steven and then goes on to do "Rocket Queen".

[EmilyGNR]

Part 3 is up: http://uproxx.com/music/2015/05/guns-n-roses-part-3/

Was coming to post that 

No new info on this video, wasn't expecting any though.