One Man's Plan To Reunite Guns N' Roses (Mini-Doc)

[mortismurphy]

Your posts could've been made in 1995, 2005 or 2015.

I doubt it. The first two of those years bring forth completely different historic scenarios.

You were gone for a while, it was pretty nice not to read your whining. 

It has been virtually dead. Face facts, the debates - what you consider 'whining' -  (and I am not just including myself in this) increase the activity here, tenfold. You yourself suddenly become a hive of activity whenever they surface, only to become a deaf mute whenever they disappear.

Shouldn't you be on some AC/DC fan site talking about their exciting new tour when they'll play all those exciting (three) new tracks?

Is that a sarcastic joke about a band who smashed Chinese Democracy's sales figures in the same year, and are now out on a tour with a brand new album for their fans to enjoy?

Back to the Vegas my friend. Welcome to the Jungle and a bunch of casino chips beckon.

[jarmo]

I'd be interested in it as a lifelong Guns N' Roses fan.

Is that a yes or no?

I'd be interested in an answer.

Is that a sarcastic joke about a band who smashed Chinese Democracy's sales figures in the same year, and are now out on a tour with a brand new album for their fans to enjoy?

Back to the Vegas my friend. Welcome to the Jungle and a bunch of casino chips beckon.

Yeah. They have a new exciting album and will possibly play three new songs on tour. Whoopee!
You should be so excited instead of wasting your time on a fan site for a band that doesn't do what you want.


I'd take GN'R in Vegas any day over AC/DC.

But that's just me, a GN'R fan.


/jarmo

[pilferk]

It has been virtually dead. Face facts, the debates - what you consider 'whining' -  (and I am not just including myself in this) increase the activity here, tenfold. You yourself suddenly become a hive of activity whenever they surface, only to become a deaf mute whenever they disappear.

I always find it very interesting when people who really disagree with the site's general tone and editorial policy then worry about site traffic, and use it as justification of their own ramblings.

It's so logically and intellectually bent, it makes me giggle.

[faldor]

Is that a sarcastic joke about a band who smashed Chinese Democracy's sales figures in the same year, and are now out on a tour with a brand new album for their fans to enjoy?

Back to the Vegas my friend. Welcome to the Jungle and a bunch of casino chips beckon.

AC/DC has played 3 new songs at their shows so far. Just like they did last time they toured. According to www.setlist.fm, their set consists of 24% songs from "Back in Black", 17% from "Rock or Bust". Compare that to GNR's latest run of Vegas shows where they played 22% from AFD and 14% from CD. Not exactly a huge disparity there.

[D-GenerationX]

AC/DC has played 3 new songs at their shows so far. Just like they did last time they toured. According to www.setlist.fm, their set consists of 24% songs from "Back in Black", 17% from "Rock or Bust". Compare that to GNR's latest run of Vegas shows where they played 22% from AFD and 14% from CD. Not exactly a huge disparity there.

True.  Then again, AC/DC is drawing from more than a 4 album/1 EP back catalog.

3 or 4 new songs is about what you are going to get from an arena/stadium act. 

But then you have U2.  If you go see them, you best have bought the new album.  The ZOO TV tour, the first 6 (sometimes more) songs were off 'Achtung Baby'.  Springsteen also hits you with a lot of his new stuff.  But they are the exceptions of acts on that level.

[mortismurphy]

AC/DC has played 3 new songs at their shows so far. Just like they did last time they toured. According to www.setlist.fm, their set consists of 24% songs from "Back in Black", 17% from "Rock or Bust". Compare that to GNR's latest run of Vegas shows where they played 22% from AFD and 14% from CD. Not exactly a huge disparity there.

But CD is seven years old!! Rock or Bust is a brand new album. At the conclusion of the Rock or Bust tour, it will probably still be just around three years old.

But that's just me, a GN'R fan.

I am a fan of music. I suppose that is where we differ. I like a lot of different acts and genres. I do not really feel the need to have a official ''best band'' or ''favourite band''. I get the impression that you only really like gnr.

[mortismurphy]

It has been virtually dead. Face facts, the debates - what you consider 'whining' -  (and I am not just including myself in this) increase the activity here, tenfold. You yourself suddenly become a hive of activity whenever they surface, only to become a deaf mute whenever they disappear.

I always find it very interesting when people who really disagree with the site's general tone and editorial policy then worry about site traffic, and use it as justification of their own ramblings.

It's so logically and intellectually bent, it makes me giggle.

But there is nothing there!! When a forum ceases to have posts, it basically ceases. Do you know how many forums have become ghost towns? What is the purpose of advocating a policy which can only lead to your own demise?

[D-GenerationX]

This is a fool's errand, mortis.

They have said, point blank, they aren't the least bit concerned with a day, or even a week, with no posts.

Its a textbook agree to disagree on this one.

[jarmo]

But that's just me, a GN'R fan.

I am a fan of music. I suppose that is where we differ. I like a lot of different acts and genres. I do not really feel the need to have a official ''best band'' or ''favourite band''. I get the impression that you only really like gnr.

I'm a fan of lots of music. But I don't go to those artists' fan sites.
I think the latest Marilyn Manson album is better then the previous one. But I don't post on any of his fan sites.
I'm a member of the Pearl l Jam fan club, don't take part in their forum at all though. Just two examples.

So there goes your theory.
Maybe it's just that you like to whine and feel important....




Still interested in an answer regarding the box set though. Yes? No? Third time I'm asking the same question. Nothing like acting like the question was never asked. More of the same.




/jarmo

[DeN]

personal one to you Jarmo, but, due to your position, did you meet Eddie at some occasion?
Axl is a fan too, do they know each other?

[pilferk]

But there is nothing there!! When a forum ceases to have posts, it basically ceases. Do you know how many forums have become ghost towns? What is the purpose of advocating a policy which can only lead to your own demise?

Like I said...I giggle.

It's not your forum. You don't like it here. You don't like the content, general opinions, or editorial policy.  You have zero vested interest in whether the lights stay on.

So how is anyone supposed to take seriously that your concern is ACTUALLY traffic levels? Your concern, honestly, is that you be allowed to speak your mind.  And this is just one (intellecually bent) way to try to justify why you should be allowed to. And, I suspect, a way to try to inflate your own sense self importance and to try to portray yourself as "important" to the community.  Honestly...you're not either (nor am I, and I have no illusions I am).

You're not the one paying to keep the lights on, jarmo is.  They'll stay on, traffic or no, until he feels the need to shut them out. Right?

Not to mention: Do you think traffic and hits are his primary reason for leaving those lights on? I don't.

Thus, even if the argument were sincere, it would be a moot point.

But keep doing it.  I enjoy the giggles.

[D-GenerationX]

personal one to you Jarmo, but, due to your position, did you meet Eddie at some occasion?
Axl is a fan too, do they know each other?

My two favorite frontmen from my two favorite bands.  But I can't imagine what the hell would they have in common to talk about.

[faldor]

AC/DC has played 3 new songs at their shows so far. Just like they did last time they toured. According to www.setlist.fm, their set consists of 24% songs from "Back in Black", 17% from "Rock or Bust". Compare that to GNR's latest run of Vegas shows where they played 22% from AFD and 14% from CD. Not exactly a huge disparity there.

But CD is seven years old!! Rock or Bust is a brand new album. At the conclusion of the Rock or Bust tour, it will probably still be just around three years old.

I knew that was going to be your retort. The time between albums is a different argument than complaining about the lack of new songs played in concert. Not many bands are pumping out albums every 2-3 years anymore. Might have something to do with the state of the music business. Now granted, GNR take that to an extreme, but it is what it is.

I still think it's hard to compare GNR to any band in the history of music. They've done things that no other bands have done, both good and bad. People are always referencing AC/DC, Metallica, Pearl Jam, etc. and asking why they can't conduct their business in a similar fashion. I'm not saying no other bands have been through their own adversities and such and managed to carry on. But it's not an even comparison, so it's useless to try IMHO. You prefer the way AC/DC has managed their career and how they've conducted themselves. That's fine. You're certainly entitled to that opinion. But just because they've done things a certain way doesn't mean that Guns, or any other band can follow the same model with similar results. It doesn't work that way.

[D-GenerationX]

I still think it's hard to compare GNR to any band in the history of music. They've done things that no other bands have done, both good and bad. People are always referencing AC/DC, Metallica, Pearl Jam, etc. and asking why they can't conduct their business in a similar fashion. I'm not saying no other bands have been through their own adversities and such and managed to carry on. But it's not an even comparison, so it's useless to try IMHO. You prefer the way AC/DC has managed their career and how they've conducted themselves. That's fine. You're certainly entitled to that opinion. But just because they've done things a certain way doesn't mean that Guns, or any other band can follow the same model with similar results. It doesn't work that way.

I largely agree with all of this.

However, do you think its unfair to say that the way GNR does things is fairly fucked up?  And its probably not a coincidence that no other band emulates their approach?

A lot of times, this conversation gets bogged down in :

- that's how its always been!
- but there is no one like GNR!
- go follow some other band, asshole!

Really hoping we can avoid that.

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm totally onboard with the notion you really can't compare GNR to other bands.  I just never bought into the nobility of it all.

I always say the reason comparing GNR to other bands is a lost cause is because only GNR has Axl, a wild card among wild cards.  I just have never accepted that just because he marches to his own beat, its always a well constructed tune.

[jarmo]

personal one to you Jarmo, but, due to your position, did you meet Eddie at some occasion?

No. Don't think I met anybody in that band.

My two favorite frontmen from my two favorite bands.  But I can't imagine what the hell would they have in common to talk about.

It's kinda amazing how two people with different backgrounds can usually find something to talk about. This happens daily somewhere in the world!
Maybe they could talk about the weather.....

So, would you buy that hypothetical box set you or not? Asking for the fourth time. A simple yes or no question. Not asking for some kind of long explanation here.





/jarmo

[pilferk]

I still think it's hard to compare GNR to any band in the history of music. They've done things that no other bands have done, both good and bad. People are always referencing AC/DC, Metallica, Pearl Jam, etc. and asking why they can't conduct their business in a similar fashion. I'm not saying no other bands have been through their own adversities and such and managed to carry on. But it's not an even comparison, so it's useless to try IMHO. You prefer the way AC/DC has managed their career and how they've conducted themselves. That's fine. You're certainly entitled to that opinion. But just because they've done things a certain way doesn't mean that Guns, or any other band can follow the same model with similar results. It doesn't work that way.

I largely agree with all of this.

However, do you think its unfair to say that the way GNR does things is fairly fucked up?  And its probably not a coincidence that no other band emulates their approach?

A lot of times, this conversation gets bogged down in :

- that's how its always been!
- but there is no one like GNR!
- go follow some other band, asshole!

Really hoping we can avoid that.

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm totally onboard with the notion you really can't compare GNR to other bands.  I just never bought into the nobility of it all.

I always say the reason comparing GNR to other bands is a lost cause is because only GNR has Axl, a wild card among wild cards.  I just have never accepted that just because he marches to his own beat, its always a well constructed tune.

You realize that without the "eccentricities", you also likely don't get the same creative output, right?

He is who he is. He does things the way he does things.  Some of it is genius, and makes a ton of sense (especially when we get full plates of info, which admittedly is rare), some of it...not so much.  Meh, welcome to humanity.  The difference is...for Axl..it all plays out on a MUCH larger stage.

A lot of this goes to the discussion of OTHER eccentric creative types in history.  There's lots of similarities if you look around.  Guns n Roses is unique, I think, in that the "eccentric creative type" has been left to completely drive the boat.  Again, there are examples of that in history...both successful and not so much.

[D-GenerationX]

You realize that without the "eccentricities", you also likely don't get the same creative output, right?

He is who he is. He does things the way he does things.  Some of it is genius, and makes a ton of sense (especially when we get full plates of info, which admittedly is rare), some of it...not so much.  Meh, welcome to humanity.  The difference is...for Axl..it all plays out on a MUCH larger stage.

A lot of this goes to the discussion of OTHER eccentric creative types in history.  There's lots of similarities if you look around.  Guns n Roses is unique, I think, in that the "eccentric creative type" has been left to completely drive the boat.  Again, there are examples of that in history...both successful and not so much.

All very true.  Agree with all of this.

[mortismurphy]

But there is nothing there!! When a forum ceases to have posts, it basically ceases. Do you know how many forums have become ghost towns? What is the purpose of advocating a policy which can only lead to your own demise?

Like I said...I giggle.

It's not your forum. You don't like it here. You don't like the content, general opinions, or editorial policy.  You have zero vested interest in whether the lights stay on.

So how is anyone supposed to take seriously that your concern is ACTUALLY traffic levels? Your concern, honestly, is that you be allowed to speak your mind.  And this is just one (intellecually bent) way to try to justify why you should be allowed to. And, I suspect, a way to try to inflate your own sense self importance and to try to portray yourself as "important" to the community.  Honestly...you're not either (nor am I, and I have no illusions I am).

You're not the one paying to keep the lights on, jarmo is.  They'll stay on, traffic or no, until he feels the need to shut them out. Right?

Not to mention: Do you think traffic and hits are his primary reason for leaving those lights on? I don't.

Thus, even if the argument were sincere, it would be a moot point.

But keep doing it.  I enjoy the giggles.

You take yourself far too seriously.

AC/DC has played 3 new songs at their shows so far. Just like they did last time they toured. According to www.setlist.fm, their set consists of 24% songs from "Back in Black", 17% from "Rock or Bust". Compare that to GNR's latest run of Vegas shows where they played 22% from AFD and 14% from CD. Not exactly a huge disparity there.

But CD is seven years old!! Rock or Bust is a brand new album. At the conclusion of the Rock or Bust tour, it will probably still be just around three years old.

I knew that was going to be your retort. The time between albums is a different argument than complaining about the lack of new songs played in concert. Not many bands are pumping out albums every 2-3 years anymore. Might have something to do with the state of the music business. Now granted, GNR take that to an extreme, but it is what it is.

I still think it's hard to compare GNR to any band in the history of music. They've done things that no other bands have done, both good and bad. People are always referencing AC/DC, Metallica, Pearl Jam, etc. and asking why they can't conduct their business in a similar fashion. I'm not saying no other bands have been through their own adversities and such and managed to carry on. But it's not an even comparison, so it's useless to try IMHO. You prefer the way AC/DC has managed their career and how they've conducted themselves. That's fine. You're certainly entitled to that opinion. But just because they've done things a certain way doesn't mean that Guns, or any other band can follow the same model with similar results. It doesn't work that way.

The argument concerns a sarcastic comment by Jarmo regarding the number of inclusions from a new album into a setlist. Considering New guns have not released an album since 2008 while AC/DC have released one, on top of the album released in 2008 also, it does not seem to be a very fair quip to make. Yes, DC have included only a few new songs but that is still hypothetically three more songs than new guns could ever include since new guns do not release albums and therefore do not have any new material to draw from. Also AC/DC have a new album to enjoy and there is a sense of purpose for the touring.

[mortismurphy]

AC/DC has played 3 new songs at their shows so far. Just like they did last time they toured. According to www.setlist.fm, their set consists of 24% songs from "Back in Black", 17% from "Rock or Bust". Compare that to GNR's latest run of Vegas shows where they played 22% from AFD and 14% from CD. Not exactly a huge disparity there.

But CD is seven years old!! Rock or Bust is a brand new album. At the conclusion of the Rock or Bust tour, it will probably still be just around three years old.

I knew that was going to be your retort. The time between albums is a different argument than complaining about the lack of new songs played in concert. Not many bands are pumping out albums every 2-3 years anymore. Might have something to do with the state of the music business. Now granted, GNR take that to an extreme, but it is what it is.

I still think it's hard to compare GNR to any band in the history of music. They've done things that no other bands have done, both good and bad. People are always referencing AC/DC, Metallica, Pearl Jam, etc. and asking why they can't conduct their business in a similar fashion. I'm not saying no other bands have been through their own adversities and such and managed to carry on. But it's not an even comparison, so it's useless to try IMHO. You prefer the way AC/DC has managed their career and how they've conducted themselves. That's fine. You're certainly entitled to that opinion. But just because they've done things a certain way doesn't mean that Guns, or any other band can follow the same model with similar results. It doesn't work that way.

A fair enough point but it does not rob us of the quizzical nature and freedom to ask, ''why?''. When Axl talks about a trilogy then does not release it, it is human instinct to ponder on 'what went wrong?'. It is a bit of a cop out (as a fan) to go, ''it is how Axl operates'' and leave it at that.

[jarmo]

The argument concerns a sarcastic comment by Jarmo regarding the number of inclusions from a new album into a setlist.

Yeah, and considering that you're here instead of some AC/DC site talking about how exciting it is that they added three new songs to their setlist a few weeks ago must mean it doesn't really matter to you that much! 

 




/jarmo