New song-writing rights

[nick6sic6]

So,
not that it's sth any fan would care,but i thought i'd start a topic.

Anyone noticed at the end credits of Appetite For Democracy the songs rights are changed.
I mean everyone knows that Estranged and Nov. Rain are Axl's songs.You could be mine is Izzy and Axl.
Every classic GN'R song on the dvd has Slash's name first as the writer and the others follow.Even the aforementioned ones...

Now it all comes clear.....Think all the trouble,lawyers and court time and meetings everyone went through to change songwriting credits...

[Spirit]

Don't know anything about it, but it could be part of some legal resolution between Axl and Slash/Duff/Izzy. Maybe a compensation of sorts, not sure.

[nick6sic6]

Probably a huuuuuuuge compensation from Axl's part ,to give away his writing treasures.

[Spirit]

Probably a huuuuuuuge compensation from Axl's part ,to give away his writing treasures.

I think he's gotten credit for songs were he previously didn't. Looks like it goes both ways.

[Spirit]

Checking the ASCAP directory, Axl, Slash, Duff and Izzy have writing credits for all Illusion songs. The four of them + Adler have credits for all Appetite and Lies songs.

Cover songs excluded of course.

[sky dog]

you beat me to it!  Since the Illusions, somehow the booklets only gave credit to the guys the band credits as the "majority" songwriter. ASCAP has the real legal writing credits....good thread on it here at Gnrevolution....

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=7377&p=1

[sky dog]

Now we need the 3 amigos....Ginger King, Mortismurphy and D-Gen to ride in and give us their "theory" on how Axl has robbed ALL former band members and employees of their writing credits. What is the conspiracy? Read all the prior interviews from band members (don't read Axl's though) and tell us what the REAL truth is. 

[mortismurphy]

Now we need the 3 amigos....Ginger King, Mortismurphy and D-Gen to ride in and give us their "theory" on how Axl has robbed ALL former band members and employees of their writing credits. What is the conspiracy? Read all the prior interviews from band members (don't read Axl's though) and tell us what the REAL truth is. 

There is really nothing to say on the subject as I am not privy to the machinations. All that can be said is, the songwriting publishing has been amended at some stage. If I had to guess, it seems like it was related to the delay of the DVD. I've always thought Slash deserved a credit for Estranged however.

[EmilyGNR]

Now we need the 3 amigos....Ginger King, Mortismurphy and D-Gen to ride in and give us their "theory" on how Axl has robbed ALL former band members and employees of their writing credits. What is the conspiracy? Read all the prior interviews from band members (don't read Axl's though) and tell us what the REAL truth is. 

Haha the 3 amigos 

Without all their clueless input, pseudo e-expertise on subjects they don't know about and their marvelous psychic abilities reading people's minds off the internet how would the rest of us ever survive?

[mortismurphy]

Now we need the 3 amigos....Ginger King, Mortismurphy and D-Gen to ride in and give us their "theory" on how Axl has robbed ALL former band members and employees of their writing credits. What is the conspiracy? Read all the prior interviews from band members (don't read Axl's though) and tell us what the REAL truth is. 

Haha the 3 amigos 

Without all their clueless input, pseudo e-expertise on subjects they don't know about and their marvelous psychic abilities reading people's minds off the internet how would the rest of us ever survive?

Considering the fact I have already resigned myself from this hypothetical debate based on lack of knowledge, I hardly think your insult here (in bold) applies to me - I repeat,

There is really nothing to say on the subject as I am not privy to the machinations.

[sky dog]

all you need to know is who is credited at ASCAP. Easily obtainable information. Slash is credited at ASCAP for Estranged....as is Izzy and Duff. Simple facts Mortis....no spin zone. 

[mortismurphy]

all you need to know is who is credited at ASCAP. Easily obtainable information. Slash is credited at ASCAP for Estranged....as is Izzy and Duff. Simple facts Mortis....no spin zone. 

Alright then; I will take your word for it - this is your own straw man.

[sky dog]

 ESTRANGED      (Title Code: 350180431) 
  Writers:
   HUDSON SAUL
   MC KAGAN DUFF ROSE
   ROSE W AXL
   STRADLIN IZZY

  Performers:
GUNS AND ROSES
GUNS N ROSES
GUNS N' ROSES


  Variations:
  ESTRANGED AXL ROSE

  Publishers/Administrators:
  BLACK FROG MUSIC
    % UNIVERSAL POLYGRAM INTERNATIONAL PUBLISHING INC
    99440 COLLECTIONS CENTER DRIVE
    CHICAGO, IL, 60693
    Tel. (310) 235-4700

  GUNS N' ROSES MUSIC
    % SUSSMAN & ASSOCIATES
    ATTN: CHARLES SUSSMAN
    1222 16 AVE SOUTH
    THIRD FLOOR
    NASHVILLE
 

[mortismurphy]

You are trying to create an argument with yourself here lol. I have no opinion on the songwriting change whatsoever beyond the fact that it has seemingly changed at some point prior to the release of the dvd.

[rebelhipi]

And they added Robin to every Chinese song.

Its propably a complete writing credits. You wrote a solo, you get credit, you wrote a bass line for one riff, you get credit.

So probably they get money from every song they wrote anything, maybe one guitar riff gives you 10% of revenue or whatever.

And on the albums they just tell us who wrote the song it self. lets say the core, of the song. Drum fills and guitar solos aside.


Why they used different credits on the dvd. i have no idea.

[mortismurphy]

On the alternative booklet Robin is credited with more songs than the released error-prone booklet. From memory, I believe he gets a credit for Shackler's Revenge and Catcher in the Rye.

[sky dog]

the fuckin booklets are meaningless....the Illusion booklets as well. For fuck's sake, the legal writing credits are with ASCAP and NOTHING HAS CHANGED!!!!!!!

read the thread at Gnrevo I linked to!!!!!!
We beat this issue to death....
http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=7377&p=1

[nick6sic6]

The rumour prior to the release of the dvd ,that Slash was delaying for some reason (...) should have been true then.
Probably what Ascap credits which and who,is sth most fans don't check.
The closing titles in a major dvd release though,is more likely that everyone notices.

[rebelhipi]

The rumour prior to the release of the dvd ,that Slash was delaying for some reason (...) should have been true then.
Probably what Ascap credits which and who,is sth most fans don't check.
The closing titles in a major dvd release though,is more likely that everyone notices.

Very possible.

One reason for delay could have been that they didnt get the rights for Don't Let It Bring You Down. At least i assume thats why its cut from the film.

[rebelhipi]

the fuckin booklets are meaningless....the Illusion booklets as well. For fuck's sake, the legal writing credits are with ASCAP and NOTHING HAS CHANGED!!!!!!!

I dont agree. i think the booklets give a indication on who created the song.

ASCAP gives info on who contributed on the writing of the song, its two different things.