New DJ Interview "It looks like we're going to be doing a lot more touring"

[jarmo]

None of the comments contradict each other. These people are too stubborn to realize it.





/jarmo

[mortismurphy]

There is something really sinister that happens on this forum, through the introduction of Strawman arguments. The first - the only people - to bring up 'liars', 'lying', was Jarmo and Emily. At no point have I, DGX or Ginger (I believe) ever accused these two members of 'lying'.

I am not going to defend an opinion that I do not possess and did not even state to began with!!

Look, I didn't read your previous comments on this page, sorry. I was just asking a question based on the last comment you made.

No problems. It is just I get this from certain other members (I think I am now a 'DJ Hater' also!)

The two statements doesn't "flat out contradict each other" as you said. One of them are giving a vague time frame while the other one doesn't give one at all. If the tour is planned for say December of this year, then it really comes down to Richard's definition of "soon". For all we know he's looking two months into the future with his tour comment.

You don't have to stretch things very far to make the two comments match. This could easily have a natural explanation.

Hmm, it is a hard sell for me - I am sorry. Firstly, you would have to assume that Ashba's long term plans are very, futuristic, in order to eradicate the 'soon'. Secondly, both statements have that vague, informality, we are used to.

[D-GenerationX]

None of the comments contradict each other. These people are too stubborn to realize it.

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!

[jarmo]

None of the comments contradict each other. These people are too stubborn to realize it.

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!

Why are you here if you're not gonna read what I posted?


Since you seem confused, I'll link it to you: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=66151.msg1380860#msg1380860


It's not my fault you're too busy finding your caps lock key instead of reading what's been said. Focus on one thing at the time.




/jarmo

[Spirit]

The two statements doesn't "flat out contradict each other" as you said. One of them are giving a vague time frame while the other one doesn't give one at all. If the tour is planned for say December of this year, then it really comes down to Richard's definition of "soon". For all we know he's looking two months into the future with his tour comment.

You don't have to stretch things very far to make the two comments match. This could easily have a natural explanation.

Hmm, it is a hard sell for me - I am sorry. Firstly, you would have to assume that Ashba's long term plans are very, futuristic, in order to eradicate the 'soon'. Secondly, both statements have that vague, informality, we are used to.

Then, other than one of them lying, what is your reasoning for them to come out and say what they did?

[jarmo]

If Spirit, Mysteron (and probably pilferk) gets it, why can't the other two?




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Why are you here if you're not gonna read what I posted?

I read it.  I disagree with it.

What else am I supposed to do?  Be waterboarded until I do?

[jarmo]

I forgot you're into water sports.



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

I forgot you're into water sports.

Rattle, rattle...

[jarmo]

We plan on touring in 2015.
We won't tour soon.
We plan on going on tour.


No wonder Axl doesn't give lots of interviews. If that confuses you.



/jarmo

[mortismurphy]

The two statements doesn't "flat out contradict each other" as you said. One of them are giving a vague time frame while the other one doesn't give one at all. If the tour is planned for say December of this year, then it really comes down to Richard's definition of "soon". For all we know he's looking two months into the future with his tour comment.

You don't have to stretch things very far to make the two comments match. This could easily have a natural explanation.

Hmm, it is a hard sell for me - I am sorry. Firstly, you would have to assume that Ashba's long term plans are very, futuristic, in order to eradicate the 'soon'. Secondly, both statements have that vague, informality, we are used to.

Then, other than one of them lying, what is your reasoning for them to come out and say what they did?

My own belief is there is a lack of communication between Axl/Team Brazil and the constituent parts of the band. This tallies in with what Ron said, about not being able to get a phone call down to management. I basically think, when bombarded with gnr questions, they fall back on vague platitudes. It is not deliberate lying. They can only have recourse to fall back on vague half-discussed plans, discussed at distant meetings. Probably one or two members are more, in the loop, and converse with each other. One of the only occasions when a band member spoke bluntly was, this occasion,

"You know what?! Just forget about a new record until it happens. I mean, I can't even begin? How long have we been talking about a new fucking record? And I'm the only that doesn't bullshit you people about it and I say, no, we haven't been in the studio together; no, we haven't started writing together as a band."

- Ron (March 2013)
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/guns-n-roses-guitarist-bumblefoot-just-forget-about-a-new-record-until-it-happens/

This happened at a time when members such as Dizzy and DJ were discussing 'recording'. We are much closer to the reality here, I feel.

[D-GenerationX]

My own belief is there is a lack of communication between Axl/Team Brazil and the constituent parts of the band. This tallies in with what Ron said, about not being able to get a phone call down to management. I basically think, when bombarded with gnr questions, they fall back on vague platitudes. It is not deliberate lying. They can only have recourse to fall back on vague half-discussed plans, discussed at distant meetings. Probably one or two members are more, in the loop, and converse with each other.

This seems very plausible.

Many times the answers are word for word the exact same thing.

[Mysteron]

I forgot you're into water sports.

Rattle, rattle...

It is fairly simple, some things happen soon, and some thing just happen. A birthday is May is soon, a birthday is January is not soon, taking into account an Earth Year as a frame of reference, but they both will happen

[D-GenerationX]

It is fairly simple, some things happen soon, and some thing just happen. A birthday is May is soon, a birthday is January is not soon, taking into account an Earth Year as a frame of reference, but they both will happen

I see that point.

But maybe that's a better way to try and explain it than spending all of yesterday stomping your feet and pounding on the desk and insisting it was all because DJ's comments were from months ago.

Because then, when you get a new interview this morning dated yesterday and he says the same thing, you think....shit.

Committing so hard to the time difference as a reason suddenly looks like a bad play. 

[jarmo]

Can some of you English speakers tell me if I'm contradicting myself here.

2014: I plan on eating a burger in 2015.
February 15: I don't plan on eating any burger soon.
February 19: I was thinking about eating one, and I plan on eating a burger.

Thanks!



/jarmo

[mortismurphy]

Can some of you English speakers tell me if I'm contradicting myself here.

2014: I plan on eating a burger in 2015.
February 15: I don't plan on eating any burger soon.
February 19: I was thinking about eating one, and I plan on eating a burger.

Thanks!



/jarmo

The fact that two informal quotations can only be reconciled by an examination of the word, ''soon'', tells you something. Yes, they can be reconciled, but I prefer the explanation that they are both falling back on vagueness because of a dearth in information from the central core. It tallies, it actually explains, all of these comments, stretching back to around 2011/2012, the ''we need to sort out the material'' chestnut. It also fits with Bumblefoot's inability to phone management.

[jarmo]

The fact that two informal quotations can only be reconciled by an examination of the word, ''soon'', tells you something. Yes, they can be reconciled, but I prefer the explanation that they are both falling back on vagueness because of a dearth in information from the central core. It tallies, it actually explains, all of these comments, stretching back to around 2011/2012, the ''we need to sort out the material'' chestnut.

Yes, it's vague. But they don't contradict each other.

A lot of people do this. They say they wanna do something. Don't say when or remain vague. Others are very specific and won't say that unless they know they will.


Regarding the material, I think it's true. Judging by what's been said, I don't think there's an issue with not having anything recorded.




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Regarding the material, I think it's true. Judging by what's been said, I don't think there's an issue with not having anything recorded.

I'd have to think its largely done, by now.  My biggest question would be vocals.

[Spirit]

Then, other than one of them lying, what is your reasoning for them to come out and say what they did?

My own belief is there is a lack of communication between Axl/Team Brazil and the constituent parts of the band. This tallies in with what Ron said, about not being able to get a phone call down to management. I basically think, when bombarded with gnr questions, they fall back on vague platitudes. It is not deliberate lying. They can only have recourse to fall back on vague half-discussed plans, discussed at distant meetings. Probably one or two members are more, in the loop, and converse with each other.

Besides the fact that he gives no exact time, Dj's statement isn't very vague. They plan on touring.

Richard.. either he sits on the same information and wants it to be 100% before he wants to say anything publicly. Or, he's a bit out of the loop on the subject. No big deal really, he's been out doing side projects for some time. But, as he said, they're all fully committed to GN'R when the time comes. Hopefully the plan is now to release the stuff they have already recorded.

[The Hinge]

Great to see DJ doing still doing interviews. Must be hard when you know the inevitable questions are coming.
I actually did have to check the time stamp myself however to see if the interview I was reading was current or not.......
I don't care what anyone says that was polar opposite to what Richard said.