New DJ Interview "It looks like we're going to be doing a lot more touring"

[TheBaconman]

That was a good read. I'm glad DJ came into the band.

I agree

I wasnt a fan of his at all.  Actually really didn't like him

But the guy really has grown on me and I think he adds a lot to the band and both guns and the fans are lucky to have him in the band

[jarmo]

How can you not see the inherent contradiction between, ''I don't think there's gonna be any touring soon'', and, ''we were talking about doing another huge tour''. To put it another way, Fortus left these talks (assuming they happened) ''about doing another huge tour'' with the opinion that there is not ''gonna be any touring soon''.

Is that your spin?

We don't plan on touring soon -> Don't expect a summer tour.
We were talking about doing a tour -> We were. They were talking. When? They might still might be thinking about it. Does it mean soon? No. Does it mean this year? Maybe, maybe not.


How many ways do I need to explain it to you that there's no lies involved?
Also, use your free thinking capabilities here. And not always to assume Dj lies to you.




/jarmo

[TheBaconman]

Talking about ''doing another huge tour'' presupposes that there will be ''touring''. The two statements flat out contradict each other, even when taking into consideration adverbial time spans.

Please, can you show me the quote where somebody said there'll never be a GN'R tour? Or any kind of time frame where two statements contradict each other. And I'm not talking about what Dj said last year versus what somebody said months later.

Thanks.




/jarmo

How can you not see the inherent contradiction between, ''I don't think there's gonna be any touring soon'', and, ''we were talking about doing another huge tour''. To put it another way, Fortus left these talks (assuming they happened) ''about doing another huge tour'' with the opinion that there is not ''gonna be any touring soon''.

I don't think anyone is saying guns is going to be touring soon.   So what's the problem

It could be possible that there have been talks to do a tour in the future.  

Neither of there statements contradict that

[jarmo]

Hey, I can talk now about planning on eating a hamburger. But not soon.

Does that contradict what I said?




/jarmo

[mortismurphy]

How can you not see the inherent contradiction between, ''I don't think there's gonna be any touring soon'', and, ''we were talking about doing another huge tour''. To put it another way, Fortus left these talks (assuming they happened) ''about doing another huge tour'' with the opinion that there is not ''gonna be any touring soon''.

Is that your spin?

We don't plan on touring soon -> Don't expect a summer tour.
We were talking about doing a tour -> We were. They were talking. When? They might still might be thinking about it. Does it mean soon? No. Does it mean this year? Maybe, maybe not.


How many ways do I need to explain it to you that there's no lies involved?
Also, use your free thinking capabilities here. And not always to assume Dj lies to you.




/jarmo

Nobody is saying there are 'lies'. That is you bringing Mr Straw Man out as per usual. There is however an inherent contradiction in the two statements. The touring issue, when brought up, produces (at minimum) a vague positive from Ashba, and a vague negative from Fortus.

[Ginger King]

How can you not see the inherent contradiction between, ''I don't think there's gonna be any touring soon'', and, ''we were talking about doing another huge tour''. To put it another way, Fortus left these talks (assuming they happened) ''about doing another huge tour'' with the opinion that there is not ''gonna be any touring soon''.

Is that your spin?

We don't plan on touring soon -> Don't expect a summer tour.
We were talking about doing a tour -> We were. They were talking. When? They might still might be thinking about it. Does it mean soon? No. Does it mean this year? Maybe, maybe not.


How many ways do I need to explain it to you that there's no lies involved?
Also, use your free thinking capabilities here. And not always to assume Dj lies to you.


/jarmo

Sweet Jesus, that?s a pretty semantic, hair splitting defense. 

So you think there are no inconsistencies between ?we?re going to be doing a lot more touring? and ?I don?t think there?s going to be any touring soon??  Ok.  Before, you noted the time separation between the interviews and said that something changed, sort of admitting the two statements are different, but that the difference in timing accounted for them so that each could be true without contradicting the other.  Now, are you saying these statements, even if they were made the same day, don?t contradict each other?

[D-GenerationX]

I agree

I wasnt a fan of his at all.  Actually really didn't like him

But the guy really has grown on me and I think he adds a lot to the band and both guns and the fans are lucky to have him in the band

I like his solos more than I do any of the others.  Any except Bucket.

[D-GenerationX]

How can you not see the inherent contradiction between, ''I don't think there's gonna be any touring soon'', and, ''we were talking about doing another huge tour''. To put it another way, Fortus left these talks (assuming they happened) ''about doing another huge tour'' with the opinion that there is not ''gonna be any touring soon''.

Is that your spin?

We don't plan on touring soon -> Don't expect a summer tour.
We were talking about doing a tour -> We were. They were talking. When? They might still might be thinking about it. Does it mean soon? No. Does it mean this year? Maybe, maybe not.


How many ways do I need to explain it to you that there's no lies involved?
Also, use your free thinking capabilities here. And not always to assume Dj lies to you.

Sweet Jesus, that?s a pretty semantic, hair splitting defense.

Sure is.

[EmilyGNR]

Screw you bitter unfans that have to ruin every discussion here with your negative crap and trying to discredit anyone associated with this band, nobody is lying, you aren't being deceived so STFU.

I enjoyed this interview, thanks for posting-! I like DJ a lot.

[mortismurphy]

Well, that was helpful!

[D-GenerationX]

And who is calling DJ a liar?  All that's being said is that statements from both he and Richard don't match up.

Given that the big chief spend a good portion of yesterday furiously trying to sell that the inconsistency was due to the fact that DJ made his comments so long ago, its more than a fair question to ask what the new take was now that we have him saying it in an interview with a date stamp of yesterday.

Going so all in yesterday opens up the question today when new facts emerge that contradict yesterday's premise.

[mortismurphy]

Rather than 'lying', I place the inconsistency on a lack of communication. Sometimes these members seem as, in the dark, as we are and therefore fall back on vague 'stock' statements: ''yes there are plans to tour; currently, it is a question of sitting down and sorting through the material'' etc.

[Ali]

How can you not see the inherent contradiction between, ''I don't think there's gonna be any touring soon'', and, ''we were talking about doing another huge tour''. To put it another way, Fortus left these talks (assuming they happened) ''about doing another huge tour'' with the opinion that there is not ''gonna be any touring soon''.

Is that your spin?

We don't plan on touring soon -> Don't expect a summer tour.
We were talking about doing a tour -> We were. They were talking. When? They might still might be thinking about it. Does it mean soon? No. Does it mean this year? Maybe, maybe not.


How many ways do I need to explain it to you that there's no lies involved?
Also, use your free thinking capabilities here. And not always to assume Dj lies to you.


/jarmo

Sweet Jesus, that?s a pretty semantic, hair splitting defense. 

So you think there are no inconsistencies between ?we?re going to be doing a lot more touring? and ?I don?t think there?s going to be any touring soon??  Ok.  Before, you noted the time separation between the interviews and said that something changed, sort of admitting the two statements are different, but that the difference in timing accounted for them so that each could be true without contradicting the other.  Now, are you saying these statements, even if they were made the same day, don?t contradict each other?

If you want to show a clear cut contradiction, the case would be made more easily if both people cited a specific time frame.  For instance, if Richard said, I don't think we'll be doing any touring in 2015, and DJ said we will be doing a lot of touring in 2015, then you have a very clear cut contradiction.

As it is now, I'd say the statements are definitely confusing, possibly contradicting.

Ali

[D-GenerationX]

Rather than 'lying', I place the inconsistency on a lack of communication. Sometimes these members seem as, in the dark, as we are and therefore fall back on vague 'stock' statements: ''yes there are plans to tour; currently, it is a question of sitting down and sorting through the material'' etc.

Agreed.  The answers always seem to be the same bullet points.  I'm not sure they ever really check back to see if things have changed.

[raindogs70]

I wonder if the basket was really a prank someone on the band played on him.

GnR's giving us the gift of missing them, so I'm sure we're going to see a lot of fake "leaks" coming and a wide variety of rumors.

One thing we probably won't see is a release date for the next GnR album. I think most of us would rather not know and let it happen when it happens.

[reayj2003]

I'm pretty sure we can safely say GN'R will tour again. The stock answer that gets me a little is the "we are sifting through songs to get working on". It's become comical.

My hope is that the songs are practically done and ready to go....

[jarmo]

So you think there are no inconsistencies between ?we?re going to be doing a lot more touring? and ?I don?t think there?s going to be any touring soon??  Ok. 

No I don't, both can be true!

But for people who dislike Dj, this is just another reason to!




/jarmo

[reayj2003]

Just re-read the revolver interview with Axl. It's all there.."we have what i call the second half of CD & a remix album & after Vegas we will look at what we are doing in that regard."

[reayj2003]

So you think there are no inconsistencies between ?we?re going to be doing a lot more touring? and ?I don?t think there?s going to be any touring soon”?  Ok. 

No I don't, both can be true!

But for people who dislike Dj, this is just another reason to!




/jarmo

Exactly! A band like this look at months like mere mortals look at days. If the plan is to start a huge worldwide tour in January 2016 say it is still something that's in the pipeline. Most bands announce gigs nearly a year in advance now.

Richard could easily have meant until after Summer or whatever.

[D-GenerationX]

Just re-read the revolver interview with Axl. It's all there.."we have what i call the second half of CD & a remix album & after Vegas we will look at what we are doing in that regard."

Yeah, but even this got parsed.

What does he mean by done?  Does he mean "done done", or just "done"?  That sort of thing.

Wiggle room had to be created, stat.