Vote Dj Ashba '' Best Guitar 2014 ''

[mortismurphy]

I merely voted for which guitarist was best in 2014. That is surely the only valid way to vote on a poll such as this?

[ice cream sand pig]

Best means different things to different people. What does it mean to you mister mortis?

DJ is the only guitarist that is relevant to my interests out of every guitarist in the poll, so naturally I would vote for him. Given all the options, I like him best. The AFD dvd is my favorite music related release of 2014. I really enjoyed his contribution to that show.

[mortismurphy]

Best means different things to different people. What does it mean to you mister mortis?

DJ is the only guitarist that is relevant to my interests out of every guitarist in the poll, so naturally I would vote for him. Given all the options, I like him best. The AFD dvd is my favorite music related release of 2014. I really enjoyed his contribution to that show.

Then you should vote for him, particularly based on his contributions to a 2014 release. As I said, I voted for Angus because I like Rock or Bust.

What I do not understand is the mindless and automated, bloc 'fan' based voting.

[Spirit]

I merely voted for which guitarist was best in 2014. That is surely the only valid way to vote on a poll such as this?

I think most people are voting on their favourite regardless of their efforts in the time-frame set. It's merely about loyalty with these polls, about wanting to create some positive press for your favourite artist/band.

Some people are voting like you, but not the majority I think. If you were to make a 100% unbiased vote, the criteria would have to be that you've listened properly through all of the candidates, and that's rarely the case with fan votes.

[ice cream sand pig]

Mortis, it almost seems like your goal is to convince people not to vote for DJ. Have you seen the full DVD yet or only a few online clips? He actually does a very good job. I don't understand this nagging desire it seems you have to take him down a peg.

[mortismurphy]

Mortis, it almost seems like your goal is to convince people not to vote for DJ. Have you seen the full DVD yet or only a few online clips? He actually does a very good job. I don't understand this nagging desire it seems you have to take him down a peg.

Strange as I do not believe I have said a single thing about DJ Ashba on this forum, pejorative or otherwise - oh yes, I did make one slight joke about the cigarette burning thing but that is it. Are you not confusing me with somebody else?

I merely think if you are voting in a poll for the best 'Guitarist of 2014', it should be for that guitarist's work in 2014 on a case-by-case basis, and not merely some bloc voting fan thing. If you think Ashba's work warrants the accolade, then go ahead and vote for Ashba; you are then voting for the right reason. If you are voting for Ashba however, merely because he is the guitarist of Guns N' Roses, then I cannot see the logic.

[jarmo]

Yes, we get it. You don't see the point in supporting your favorite band by voting for the one guitar player from that band who was nominated.


/jarmo

[mortismurphy]

Yes, we get it. You don't see the point in supporting your favorite band by voting for the one guitar player from that band who was nominated.


/jarmo

The poll is not, 'what is your favourite band?', or, 'guitarist as based upon your favourite band?'. The poll is ''best guitarist of 2014''. This is explicit in the preamble:

They rock, they shred and quite simply they provide the grit and substance of most bands. They?re the guitarists. And there were plenty of guitarists who left their mark on 2014. Some of rock and metal?s finest players have been chosen as nominees in the Best Guitarist of 2014 category and it?s up to you to let us know who deserves the 4th Annual Loudwire Music Awards honor.
These axe slingers stepped up to the plate in 2014 and made sure you were thoroughly rocked. So take a look at the nominees and then tell us which one should be crowned the Best Guitarist of 2014.

Additionally, the summaries of the guitarists specifically mention releases in 2014, e.g. Modern Vintage, World on Fire, Rock or Bust.

The idea of a poll such as this is, you judge who has had the best year.

[jarmo]

Yet, for many hardcore fans, it makes sense to vote for the guy who's in their favorite band.

You know, all those hardcore fans who support the band and want them to do well?


 


/jarmo

[mortismurphy]

Yet, for many hardcore fans, it makes sense to vote for the guy who's in their favorite band.

You know, all those hardcore fans who support the band and want them to do well?


 


/jarmo

Don't agree. If your favourite band has had a terrible year, and, say, your second favourite band has had an excellent year, objectively you should be voting for your second favourite band.

[slash&axl]

Yet, for many hardcore fans, it makes sense to vote for the guy who's in their favorite band.

You know, all those hardcore fans who support the band and want them to do well?


 


/jarmo

I do that by spending my hard earned cash on the band all around the globe, not by tagging along on their tours because I once had a big forum and could manipulate what was being said on it.

[EmilyGNR]

Yet, for many hardcore fans, it makes sense to vote for the guy who's in their favorite band.

You know, all those hardcore fans who support the band and want them to do well?


 


/jarmo

I do that by spending my hard earned cash on the band all around the globe, not by tagging along on their tours because I once had a big forum and could manipulate what was being said on it.

Jealous much?

[mortismurphy]

Yet, for many hardcore fans, it makes sense to vote for the guy who's in their favorite band.

You know, all those hardcore fans who support the band and want them to do well?


 


/jarmo

I do that by spending my hard earned cash on the band all around the globe, not by tagging along on their tours because I once had a big forum and could manipulate what was being said on it.

You have to give Jarmo credit. He works really hard for that role and deserves the reward, for the effort he puts in. Most of us mere mortals would not last, two weeks, if given the opportunity to sit on the GN'R tour bus.

[Spirit]

Yet, for many hardcore fans, it makes sense to vote for the guy who's in their favorite band.

You know, all those hardcore fans who support the band and want them to do well?


 


/jarmo

Don't agree. If your favourite band has had a terrible year, and, say, your second favourite band has had an excellent year, objectively you should be voting for your second favourite band.

This is a fan poll. Do you really think people are giving their vote a lot of thought and are voting objectively?

Ideally everybody did like you, but that's not the case, you're in the minority. It is what it is, a poll that shows who's got the most rabid fans.

[mortismurphy]

Yet, for many hardcore fans, it makes sense to vote for the guy who's in their favorite band.

You know, all those hardcore fans who support the band and want them to do well?


 


/jarmo

Don't agree. If your favourite band has had a terrible year, and, say, your second favourite band has had an excellent year, objectively you should be voting for your second favourite band.

This is a fan poll. Do you really think people are giving their vote a lot of thought and are voting objectively?

Ideally everybody did like you, but that's not the case, you're in the minority. It is what it is, a poll that shows who's got the most rabid fans.

True, but why follow the pack animals?

[Spirit]

Yet, for many hardcore fans, it makes sense to vote for the guy who's in their favorite band.

You know, all those hardcore fans who support the band and want them to do well?


 


/jarmo

Don't agree. If your favourite band has had a terrible year, and, say, your second favourite band has had an excellent year, objectively you should be voting for your second favourite band.

This is a fan poll. Do you really think people are giving their vote a lot of thought and are voting objectively?

Ideally everybody did like you, but that's not the case, you're in the minority. It is what it is, a poll that shows who's got the most rabid fans.

True, but why follow the pack animals?

I don't give these polls any thought really. It just something fun for the fans, not really to be taken all that seriously. Why not use these opportunities to try getting some positive press for your favorite band?

[mortismurphy]

Yet, for many hardcore fans, it makes sense to vote for the guy who's in their favorite band.

You know, all those hardcore fans who support the band and want them to do well?


 


/jarmo

Don't agree. If your favourite band has had a terrible year, and, say, your second favourite band has had an excellent year, objectively you should be voting for your second favourite band.

This is a fan poll. Do you really think people are giving their vote a lot of thought and are voting objectively?

Ideally everybody did like you, but that's not the case, you're in the minority. It is what it is, a poll that shows who's got the most rabid fans.

True, but why follow the pack animals?

I don't give these polls any thought really. It just something fun for the fans, not really to be taken all that seriously. Why not use these opportunities to try getting some positive press for your favorite band?

I actually rarely vote on them if truth be told - I made your exact same point awhile back, about them merely reflecting the zealousness of the fanbase. I did vote this time because Rock or Bust has never left my record player.

I have a lot of 'favourite bands' really. In fact I listen to a lot of musical genres, not just rock music.

[Spirit]

Yet, for many hardcore fans, it makes sense to vote for the guy who's in their favorite band.

You know, all those hardcore fans who support the band and want them to do well?


 


/jarmo

Don't agree. If your favourite band has had a terrible year, and, say, your second favourite band has had an excellent year, objectively you should be voting for your second favourite band.

This is a fan poll. Do you really think people are giving their vote a lot of thought and are voting objectively?

Ideally everybody did like you, but that's not the case, you're in the minority. It is what it is, a poll that shows who's got the most rabid fans.

True, but why follow the pack animals?

I don't give these polls any thought really. It just something fun for the fans, not really to be taken all that seriously. Why not use these opportunities to try getting some positive press for your favorite band?

I actually rarely vote on them if truth be told - I made your exact same point awhile back, about them merely reflecting the zealousness of the fanbase. I did vote this time because Rock or Bust has never left my record player.

I have a lot of 'favourite bands' really. In fact I listen to a lot of musical genres, not just rock music.

I suppose AC/DC is one of your favorites then?

How do you compare Angus' performance in 2014 to Tom Maxwell, Paul Masvidal, Richard Kruspe and Fredrik ?kesson? I assume you've listened through their contributions to make a firm objective decision in this poll.


Look, if you did listen to all the music of the above mentioned artists, good on you. 

If you didn't, you are doing the exact thing people are encouraging us to do in this thread - to vote on (one of) your favorite band(s). Since this is a GNR board, that band is naturally --- GNR.

[jarmo]

Good points, Spirit. 

I do that by spending my hard earned cash on the band all around the globe, not by tagging along on their tours because I once had a big forum and could manipulate what was being said on it.

Nice! 





/jarmo

[ice cream sand pig]

Mortis, it almost seems like your goal is to convince people not to vote for DJ. Have you seen the full DVD yet or only a few online clips? He actually does a very good job. I don't understand this nagging desire it seems you have to take him down a peg.

Strange as I do not believe I have said a single thing about DJ Ashba on this forum, pejorative or otherwise - oh yes, I did make one slight joke about the cigarette burning thing but that is it. Are you not confusing me with somebody else?

I merely think if you are voting in a poll for the best 'Guitarist of 2014', it should be for that guitarist's work in 2014 on a case-by-case basis, and not merely some bloc voting fan thing. If you think Ashba's work warrants the accolade, then go ahead and vote for Ashba; you are then voting for the right reason. If you are voting for Ashba however, merely because he is the guitarist of Guns N' Roses, then I cannot see the logic.

I'm not too good at quoting multiple things in one post, but let's do a little recap here:

First you said no comment (whatever that was supposed to imply, perhaps you can inform me?). Your second comment was about how there are videos of the band laughing at DJ's playing. Then "Most fans are fairly unanimous that, CD2 is well over due, that playing the same show for five years is rather lame, and that Ashba has indifferent musicianmansip.". Then make fun of HBK's grammar (not related, but a dick move). Then this: "You are quite specific with, ze rules there, Herr Jarmo?", some obvious shit stirring Hitler reference for Jarmo.

You can say you didn't say anything yourself about DJ (except for specifically mentioning why you will not vote for him), but it just reminds me of the situation with your reserved opinion about CD. You compared it to other albums that you considered stinkers and it was obvious that you did not like it, but you maintained that you had not yet spoken your opinion about it. Then of course it comes out that you do not like it. I feel this is a similar situation. It's like a guy that keeps saying "Jesus says this, Jesus says that.". So you ask this guy if he's a Christian and he says "No, that's what Jesus says. That's not necessarily what I say.". I would eventually think this guy was trying to convert me to Christianity without admitting that he's actually a Christian.

I just don't see you bringing a lot of goodwill to the table in this thread. If I am not mistaken, the primary purpose of this thread is to create awareness about a poll that has the potential to garner some positive press for GNR. Would not this positive press be useful by creating some awareness for a band that may be releasing a new album soon? No no, that must be the cult side of me talking.

And you didn't answer one question, not that you are obligated to, but in case you forgot. Have you actually seen the DVD? It's really good. I saw a youtube clip and thought it sucked, but on my TV it sounded a million times better. Of all the people I have watched the DVD with, not one of them had a single negative thing to say about DJ with the exception of one friend that really hates the way he dresses. As for me, I do not care about how another man dresses. That shit is for the girls, not for me.