2015 Baseball season/Off Season Discussion

[pilferk]

Angels saying they are done.

Rumor Jonny Gomes might get traded from Braves

[pilferk]

Yanks told Padres they would let Mateo go, hours ago, for Kimbrel.  Have not heard back.  Figure this means they have another deal in the hopper.

30 min

I'm warning you all right now: If Yanks make no moves, I'm going on a rant, and calling for Cash to be fired (maybe not here, but you might hear it where ever you are living).

[tim_m]

It's not looking promising for the Yanks to pull off something with 27 minutes to go.

[pilferk]

It's not looking promising for the Yanks to pull off something with 27 minutes to go.

Yeah, I'm thinking Cash is not going to do anything.

And, again, I tell you: This division isn't over.

If they don't make the playoffs, he's gotta lose his job. HAS TO.

[pilferk]

Felix Doubront from Jays to A's for cash.

[GeorgeSteele]

It's not looking promising for the Yanks to pull off something with 27 minutes to go.

Yeah, I'm thinking Cash is not going to do anything.

And, again, I tell you: This division isn't over.

If they don't make the playoffs, he's gotta lose his job. HAS TO.

I thought the expectations were that this would be more of a transitional season; seems as though their good performance this year has been more of a welcome surprise.  

These days, who among the ownership group that Cashman reports to has the most 'hands-on' role in terms of team management?

[TheBaconman]

Felix Doubront from Jays to A's for cash.

We just had to make roster room

Doubront looked not to bad.   

[pilferk]

I thought the expectations were that this would be more of a transitional season; seems as though their good performance this year has been more of a welcome surprise.  

These days, who among the ownership group that Cashman reports to has the most 'hands-on' role in terms of team management?

I think that was the expectation from the fans, and media.  But...you've got a team in the mix, at the deadline.  You have holes. There are options on the market to fill those holes, and the ask doesn't seem to have been unreasonable. You have resources.  Your JOB as the GM is to maximize your chance for success when that happens.  You might not get these numbers from Arod, or Tex, or Mcann NEXT year.  Tanaka's arm could fall off. You have to have SOME sense of urgency, as a GM, when you're in that position.

Hal Steinbrenner is the guy who is most hands on....but, in this case, all reports are ownership is willing to take on payroll short term, or control long term, as needed to make a run.

Cash seems to be stuck on holding on to the farm system...guys who may or may not be successful (you don't know, because they have zero MLB experience).  They have 4 or 5 guys other teams want.  I don't think you give up all 5...but ONE??

If they were to miss the playoffs, this would be the Yanks 4th year running not making it.  The manager has done a stellar job, up to this point, managing a somewhat questionable pool of talent, and through injuries.  This is 100% about the GM.  A year or two..you can see past it, maybe, based on the unpredictability of injures.  But today?  Not doing ANYTHING  (or, rather, trading 2 decent prospects for a guy you essentially already had on the bench)?  Nope...you now own the results of this season. 100%.  They make it, you reap the glory.  You don't...you lose your job.  It should be that simple.

[pilferk]

Cespedes goes to the Mets.

2 prospects going to Detroit (NOT Zack Wheeler).

[tim_m]

Cespedes goes to the Mets.

Beat me to it.

[GeorgeSteele]

Cespedes goes to the Mets.

Oh shit!  That's good!!  Who did they give up for him?

[pilferk]

Oh shit!  That's good!!  Who did they give up for him?

Just edited my original post. 2 unnamed prospects...doesn't look like much.

The kicker is: He has to be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.  So it's a 3 month rental.

Edit: They gave up Fulmer and Cessa

[pilferk]

Bob Nightengale says Yanks doing nothing.

[TheBaconman]

Bob Nightengale says Yanks doing nothing.

I love it!

[GeorgeSteele]

Oh shit!  That's good!!  Who did they give up for him?

Just edited my original post. 2 unnamed prospects...doesn't look like much.

The kicker is: He has to be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.  So it's a 3 month rental.

Just checked the twitter account for the Mets' beat reporter, Adam Rubin. He says it's Luis Cessa and Michael Fulmer.  Both decent pitching prospects but not that highly regarded.  No-brainer, I'll call it a good trade, even if only a rental.    

[TheBaconman]

So now it's time for this waiver trade thing I know nothing about hahaha

[tim_m]

Morse and cash to Pirates Tabata to the Dodgers. Ryan Cook to Boston player to be named.

[faldor]

MLB Network speculating that Red Sox are shopping Sandoval around to last years bidders.....and maybe more.

Too late for that. They clearly overpaid him, that was obvious from the start. But he hasn't done anything to dispute that this year. They'd have to eat a lot of money to get rid of him, obviously not happening now. I still have hope he can be better next year. He has to be.

[faldor]

Jays trying to get Lowe from Mariners

That deal is done: Lowe to Jays, from Mariners, for 3 minor leaguers.

Another good move for the jays. 

Will do nothing put help our bull pen

Left fielder now!

One more started!

One of the guys who covers the team just said he's been told they're not done yet.

I saw Lowe last weekend in person for three games.   He pitched in each on and looked sharp

Couple hours to go.  I expect a few more deals

I have Lowe on a fantasy team as a setup guy. He's having a very good year. Wonder if he might get a chance to close some games if need be.

[GeorgeSteele]

I thought the expectations were that this would be more of a transitional season; seems as though their good performance this year has been more of a welcome surprise.  

These days, who among the ownership group that Cashman reports to has the most 'hands-on' role in terms of team management?

I think that was the expectation from the fans, and media.  But...you've got a team in the mix, at the deadline.  You have holes. There are options on the market to fill those holes, and the ask doesn't seem to have been unreasonable. You have resources.  Your JOB as the GM is to maximize your chance for success when that happens.  You might not get these numbers from Arod, or Tex, or Mcann NEXT year.  Tanaka's arm could fall off. You have to have SOME sense of urgency, as a GM, when you're in that position.

Hal Steinbrenner is the guy who is most hands on....but, in this case, all reports are ownership is willing to take on payroll short term, or control long term, as needed to make a run.

Cash seems to be stuck on holding on to the farm system...guys who may or may not be successful (you don't know, because they have zero MLB experience).  They have 4 or 5 guys other teams want.  I don't think you give up all 5...but ONE??

If they were to miss the playoffs, this would be the Yanks 4th year running not making it.  The manager has done a stellar job, up to this point, managing a somewhat questionable pool of talent, and through injuries.  This is 100% about the GM.  A year or two..you can see past it, maybe, based on the unpredictability of injures.  But today?  Not doing ANYTHING  (or, rather, trading 2 decent prospects for a guy you essentially already had on the bench)?  Nope...you now own the results of this season. 100%.  They make it, you reap the glory.  You don't...you lose your job.  It should be that simple.

Makes sense, so I would guess that he has no pressure from ownership to make the playoffs this year if he didn't make a big move... perhaps he's sold them on a long term plan.  From the outside, my perspective is that Cashman has been riding the coattails of an unprecedented stretch of success (in any sport), largely on talent that preceding his GM reign (Jeter, Rivera, Pettite, etc.), though he should definitely get a good amount of credit for that 2009 team that won it all, that was a monster.  

By the way, love that Cespedes trade.. you called it early.