GUNS N' ROSES: 'Reckless Road' Biography To Be Turned Into Movie

[jarmo]

Matt was inducted, Gilby wasn't.

So much for the legacy reason. Doesn't really make a lot of sense.
The simple reason is that Gilby isn't a star. RNRHOF probably couldn't care less about him. Even if he was in the band during their biggest tours of the 1990s and appeared in those huge videos people still remember today.




/jarmo

[TheBaconman]

Matt was listed on the Wikipedia page last night when I had to double check Gilby.

Like I said last night, Dizzy and Matt weren't really song writers, but did play on the material.

Its not like its the song writing hall of fame.

Thats a good point.  

Seems to be no real criteria as to who goes in with the bands

[Limulus]

Matt had a much bigger impact on Guns than Gilby. Gilby was just a touring replacement, where Matt came in when they needed a new drum machine for their next full lenghts studio albums. To quote Axl 8/1990: "Matt.....he saved the band!" i cant see that from the keyboard player though, but he was part of UYI recordings, too, and also toured with the band 1991-93 when they peaked in their career. Thats what got him in!
Again, its all about AFD and early UYI.

[TheBaconman]

Shit, how long has tommy been in the band?

17 years, I think.

But what stamp would you say he put on the GNR legacy?  What is his biggest contribution, for instance?

From all reports tommy has been sort of the leader of the musicians.   Durring shows etc

So I would say his legacy has been hos loyalty to Axl as well as his ability to keep most shows running smoothly

[D-GenerationX]

Shit, how long has tommy been in the band?

17 years, I think.

But what stamp would you say he put on the GNR legacy?  What is his biggest contribution, for instance?

From all reports tommy has been sort of the leader of the musicians.   Durring shows etc

So I would say his legacy has been hos loyalty to Axl as well as his ability to keep most shows running smoothly

<buzzer sound>

Well, that's hardly strong grounds for hall of fame induction.

Being Axl's wingman long after most people stopped paying attention to the band is not really the sort of thing that resonates.

[D-GenerationX]

Matt was inducted, Gilby wasn't.

So much for the legacy reason. Doesn't really make a lot of sense.
The simple reason is that Gilby isn't a star. RNRHOF probably couldn't care less about him. Even if he was in the band during their biggest tours of the 1990s and appeared in those huge videos people still remember today.

I agree.

I don't think Gilby belongs, but if you wanted to say he was there for a big part of their prime, you can't deny it.  But it would be real shaky because he didn't help create anything.

[faldor]

Matt was inducted, Gilby wasn't.

So much for the legacy reason. Doesn't really make a lot of sense.
The simple reason is that Gilby isn't a star. RNRHOF probably couldn't care less about him. Even if he was in the band during their biggest tours of the 1990s and appeared in those huge videos people still remember today.

I agree.

I don't think Gilby belongs, but if you wanted to say he was there for a big part of their prime, you can't deny it.  But it would be real shaky because he didn't help create anything.

Not to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like you think the RNRHOF got it right when it comes to who got inducted from GNR. There are countless other examples that could be argued they got it wrong with other bands. So the overall point is they choose arbitrarily. They have no blueprint. That was the problem. Thir process makes no sense. What makes Tommy Stinson (for example) less deserving than the RHCP guitarist, Metallica's bassist, etc.? I think Axl, and MANY others (he's hardly the only one), to feel that way. If he felt that strongly about how they choose who gets in and didn't agree with it, he had every right to not attend. I was there that night and while I much would've preferred to see him there, I don't hold it against him and still had an awesome time.

[TheBaconman]

Shit, how long has tommy been in the band?

17 years, I think.

But what stamp would you say he put on the GNR legacy?  What is his biggest contribution, for instance?

From all reports tommy has been sort of the leader of the musicians.   Durring shows etc

So I would say his legacy has been hos loyalty to Axl as well as his ability to keep most shows running smoothly

<buzzer sound>

Well, that's hardly strong grounds for hall of fame induction.

Being Axl's wingman long after most people stopped paying attention to the band is not really the sort of thing that resonates.

Hahaha well you asked what his biggest contribution was.   Thats it

Do i think its hall of fame worthy....   

I dont know,   I would have tommy in before dizzy or gilby mb even matt

Dizzy and matt just played on the albums and toured.  Could any other piano player or drummer do what they did?  I would say mb

Gilby just toured with the band.   Could any other rythm guitarest do this?   I wouls say ya

Not trying to takw away anything from some of the musicians that have played in my fav band.   Just trying to figure out.  Why some guys would be put in and others not

[jarmo]

Again, its all about AFD and early UYI.

Funny how they decide part of the era when the band was among the biggest in the world doesn't really matter.

But this little club never made a lot of sense to begin with. Like I said, Gilby is mostly unknown, even back in the day people thought he was Izzy...
Unknown people don't make money for the RNRHOF.




/jarmo

[Limulus]

you mean the Gilby tour parts era? the band was already absolute huge then in 12/1991!

Gilby didnt add anything to the own studio albums, it simply was all up to UYI release and pre-Gilby touring. That was the choice, the fuzz from the original classic members up to the UYI albums, and its totally valide.

[D-GenerationX]

Not to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like you think the RNRHOF got it right when it comes to who got inducted from GNR. There are countless other examples that could be argued they got it wrong with other bands.

Well, they got it right with this one.

I don't care who did, or did not, get in with some other band.  No matter which way you want to argue any of those examples (so and so should have gotten in, so and so should not have gotten in), none of it has any bearing on post 1994 Guns N' Roses.

You can argue about Metallica, RHCP, Kiss...or whoever, until god calls you.  It will have no bearing on GNR.

Is that some way out there notion?

[D-GenerationX]

Funny how they decide part of the era when the band was among the biggest in the world doesn't really matter.

I think it comes down to creation of material, I suspect.

If he appeared on an album of original material in their prime, he'd be in.  Its why Matt and Dizzy are in, and Gilby is not.

But this little club never made a lot of sense to begin with.

Its a celebration of your work, and a nice night for your fans.

Every single band with all these supposed questions, concerns, and just general confusion about it all has one common denominator : inter-band strife.

Our band is CERTAINLY no exception to that.

[Princess Leia]

Neither Gilby nor Matt nor Dizzy are worthy of the HOF.  They were never part of the of partnership, just hired guys and additional musicians.

 For that matter one could argue that Tracii Guns deserves the HOF as well. But for him GN?R was just a side Project. His band was L.A. Guns. As for Tommy he is gonna get in the HOF when The Replacements get enough votes one of these days.  

[jarmo]

you mean the Gilby tour parts era? the band was already absolute huge then in 12/1991!

Gilby didnt add anything to the own studio albums, it simply was all up to UYI release and pre-Gilby touring. That was the choice, the fuzz from the original classic members up to the UYI albums, and its totally valide.

He didn't add anything to the original albums. True.
But in a way he added something else. He was there. But, like I said, that doesn't matter to the RNRHOF. He's not a star. He's not on those albums.

This museum is just examples of weird decisions.




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Neither Gilby nor Matt nor Dizzy are worthy of the HOF.  They were never part of the of partnership, just hired guys and additional musicians.

Yeah, but they play on a double album that comprises the bulk of the material from their prime.

Doesn't that count for something?

[TheBaconman]

Neither Gilby nor Matt nor Dizzy are worthy of the HOF.  They were never part of the of partnership, just hired guys and additional musicians.

Yeah, but they play on a double album that comprises the bulk of the material from their prime.

Doesn't that count for something?

Nope it means nothing to me.  As I feel many other artisits could do.  What they did.   

What if gnr released 2 more albums in the 90s?   And had another huge world tour.  With a different drummer and rythm guitar player and piano player.    Would all those people get in the hall as well?   Its so silly

I would of liked to have seen Axl, slash, izzy and steven just put in

Since they added more players.   I would of liked them to of include any membee that has ever had a writting credit on a song and been considered a member of the band.

Tommy has done way more for guns that Matt has.   

[faldor]

Not to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like you think the RNRHOF got it right when it comes to who got inducted from GNR. There are countless other examples that could be argued they got it wrong with other bands.

Well, they got it right with this one.

I don't care who did, or did not, get in with some other band.  No matter which way you want to argue any of those examples (so and so should have gotten in, so and so should not have gotten in), none of it has any bearing on post 1994 Guns N' Roses.

You can argue about Metallica, RHCP, Kiss...or whoever, until god calls you.  It will have no bearing on GNR.

Is that some way out there notion?

That's all well and good, but it does matter when discussing why Axl chose not to attend. Many want to claim it's because Slash was there. Others claim he wanted the current band included. In his words, he struggled to make sense of how the Hall chooses who gets in and who doesn't. It really doesn't matter whether or not they got it right in the case of GNR. That's completely subjective, especially considering some of the odd choices they've made over the years.

[Limulus]

other bands aside, but for GN'R the HOF did a pretty good job in selecting the members, all those 7 were important for the bands legacy all the way when they made it to the top!

[faldor]

other bands aside, but for GN'R the HOF did a pretty good job in selecting the members, all those 7 were important for the bands legacy all the way when they made it to the top!

I don't necessarily disagree with that. They have to draw a line somewhere you'd think. It might be a little crazy to induct 15 members of a band. Though I heard The E Street Band induction was kind of like that. But it's certainly reasonable to question how they make these decisions and why. Obviously Axl did not agree with, or see their methods of reasoning.

[D-GenerationX]

It's largely an eye test, no question about it.  It ain't scientific.

But, I can't help feeling that some here are playing a bit intentionally dense to spare themselves having to admit certain realities.

I think it comes down to 3 criteria :

- who was the driving force in the creation of their best known stuff
- who was in the band when they did their most classic material
- who is the band in the eyes of the general public

This is why I can't put any of the post 1994 guys in, because they don't even meet one of those.  Or really, even come close on one of them.

I get the feeling that the overwhelming reason for pushback on that is having to concede the post 1994 guys don't match-up on any level.  Personally, I don't see how that's a diss.  Its a fact, but not an insult.