New Dj interview at LegendaryRockInterviews.com (Sep 2014)

[D-GenerationX]

But he?s Axl Rose, he doesn?t lack in determination (or so I?m lead to believe in interviews).  IMO, if he want it out, he?ll find a way to make it work and get it out.  In that regard, his interview was positive and made me believe that he wants to get it out.

His interview was great because he is the big chief, and nothing happens without him. 

But it was also great because we've been hearing other band members give these sorts of interviews for years, and he never felt the need to chime in and back them up.  Which, to me, confirmed how meaningless those quotes were. 

Now, he has backed them up.  Good for us, I say.

[GypsySoul]

In fairness, there are other quotes that are unambiguous and interpreted correctly.

..... (yes, we know this because Axl said it) ....

However, it?s easier said than done, and I?m sure there are a host of issues (record label cooperation/buy-in on a marketing and distribution plan, contribution payouts to former members, tour, etc.) that are at play.  Plus, maybe he just doesn?t want to release them anymore.  Who the hell knows?

But he?s Axl Rose, he doesn?t lack in determination (or so I?m lead to believe in interviews). 

Absolutely.  I agree with all these points you've made but they have nothing to do with what you asked.

I was responding to you asking if we can know what someone is thinking based on what is said in an interview and if not, does it mean the person wasn't being honest.

So you're saying you can't know how someone thinks based on interviews they have given?  Why is that?  Because the interviews aren't true?  They aren't giving honest answers? 

As you yourself pointed out, there can be many extenuating circumstances as to why something does NOT come to pass as was stated in an interview but that doesn't mean that person was being dishonest.

 

[EmilyGNR]

Sometimes, ESPECIALLY ON A GNR FAN FORUM, what someone (Axl in this case) says in an interview and what the fans read/hear/interpret it to be may have nothing to do with what the person said/meant and/or their thinking behind the statement.

Example #1:  Axl's 2002 VMA "SOON is the word" interview.
What Axl actually said was "I don't know if soon is the word."

"Soon is the word" was used a joke.  It became the joke because it wasn't happening anytime soon.  

Did you honestly not pick up on that and think people were seriously misquoting him for 6 years?  They were having some fun with it.

Example #2:  Axl recently saying in an interview something about "looking into" getting new music out.
Only Axl - and DgenX of course - know what Axl thinks "looking into" involves/means. 
Maybe he looked into it and thought he'd rather not do it.  We don't know because we don't know his thought process behind it.  We don't know if Axl thinks "new music" is stuff that didn't make it's way onto CD I or does it mean something else.

Discussing what we the fans want to believe what was said or meant by those statements can be much different than what Axl thinks.

Actually, the "we know what Axl thinks" point I made that flipped you the fuck out was how he feels towards the label.  And the point is that Axl tends to not either accept blame nor forgive and forget, and likely feels the label owes him a big apology.

As to the actual example you use, we've been over this too many times to count.  Depending on how literal you want to take it, eventually you wind up without being able to talk about anything because it all so unfair and dangerous to speculate.  This isn't a court of law.  Its a fan forum on the internet.  Axl Rose is not going to sue us for libelous damages if we speculate on something.

And, just as an aside, do you REALLY think there was a great chance Axl was going to "look into" the new music and determine, nope, not going to do it?  Does that seem logical?

I "think" Axl Rose doesn't want to reunite with Slash.
I have never met Axl Rose, but I "think" I know how he feels. 

Saying what YOU think and claiming to know what Axl's actually thinking/feeling are two totally different things. 

Again, this was a joke.  The post is a wind up.  You don't see this?

So you freely admit to merely saying something to get a reaction? That is troll behavior, very impressive

[EmilyGNR]

Emily we all understand you don't like Dx every one of ur posts are directly to him...

Please note there is a PM option....try it out....stop hijacking each thread ...

In this thread George Steele Ali Jarmo Ginger King Redneck DX we might not all agree but at least we are discussing not just bitching about each other


Chris pitmans comments about releasing or not releasing was so disturbing ... Yeah they are not the same kind of money maker anymore... But really?

No, my posts are expressing my opinions and points of view, nobody is complaining except DMx and his little minions.

I'm a positive and supportive fan on a GNR fan forum- how shocking, Im such an outlaw.

I'm quite sure the album will be out when it is deemed ready, I think people tend to overanalyze comments and over dramatize them.

[D-GenerationX]

So you freely admit to merely saying something to get a reaction? That is troll behavior, very impressive

I'm saying these were obvious jokes.  But not treason and sedition.

[EmilyGNR]

So you freely admit to merely saying something to get a reaction? That is troll behavior, very impressive

I'm saying these were obvious jokes.  But not treason and sedition.

From Wikipedia:
In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord onop the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,by posting inflammatory,extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

If the shoe fits - 

Back on topic,- about the upcoming album- I don't blame GNR in the least for taking the time to make the best album possible, it is hard to bounce back from a unpopular release. In today's climate of album sales it is all the more important.

[D-GenerationX]

It was impossible not to keep a sense of humor waiting for that album.  It was a ridiculous situation. 

You laugh with each other as a commentary you are all in this together, crazy though it may be.  And who else could relate?

[14 Yrs Of Silence]

Lets go with the idea that Axl hasn't moved quickly on the new album because the label didn't provide sufficient promotion for CD. 

In that regard, he's likely been avoiding dealing with them as much as possible as this causes stress that he wants to avoid.  When Axl made the comments in Revolver it sounded like he was ready to start dealing with label and negotiations. 

Lets say he's started that process.  That would be great, right?  Now, lets say the label continues to play hardball (per Axl).  It doesn't feel a "classic rock band" such as GN'R, in its current incarnation, given the market environment (per the label).  And so we continue to be at a stale mate. 

What would you want Axl to do?  Say fuck it and release it however he can so he can show the fans that at this stage he just wants to share his art?  Or does Axl think that there is path forward, with proper label support, to make GN'R huge again?  Its certainly fair that an artist would want to reach as many people as possible. 

But is it purely a means to an end, such as wanting to make as much profit as possible?  And does Axl have the appetite to full immerse himself in the public eye to help promote the product? 

Based on history and his own words, he does not like dealing with the media.  So you can't have it both ways.  You can't expect support from the label and not do your part.  For an example, see how Chinese Democracy went down. 

So what do you do?  Somethings got to give here.

[ice cream sand pig]

Anyone that thinks the next guns album will never come out, let's make a bet. If it doesn't come out by the end of 2016, I'll do a 30 second minimum Axl singing impersonation. It will be terrible. If it comes out by then, anyone that bet against it coming out has to do the impersonation. Any takers?

[EmilyGNR]

Lets go with the idea that Axl hasn't moved quickly on the new album because the label didn't provide sufficient promotion for CD. 

In that regard, he's likely been avoiding dealing with them as much as possible as this causes stress that he wants to avoid.  When Axl made the comments in Revolver it sounded like he was ready to start dealing with label and negotiations. 

Lets say he's started that process.  That would be great, right?  Now, lets say the label continues to play hardball (per Axl).  It doesn't feel a "classic rock band" such as GN'R, in its current incarnation, given the market environment (per the label).  And so we continue to be at a stale mate. 

What would you want Axl to do?  Say fuck it and release it however he can so he can show the fans that at this stage he just wants to share his art?  Or does Axl think that there is path forward, with proper label support, to make GN'R huge again?  Its certainly fair that an artist would want to reach as many people as possible. 

But is it purely a means to an end, such as wanting to make as much profit as possible?  And does Axl have the appetite to full immerse himself in the public eye to help promote the product? 

Based on history and his own words, he does not like dealing with the media.  So you can't have it both ways.  You can't expect support from the label and not do your part.  For an example, see how Chinese Democracy went down. 

So what do you do?  Somethings got to give here.

I personally think he was justified in not doing the label any favors when CD was released, the booklet was intentionally botched, there was an approved copy available. Promises were broken, things agreed to didn't transpire. 
How are you supposed to react when somebody is ostensibly making an effort to sabotage your release?

He did come online in 2008 and answer questions, and chat with fans, (and others) on the forums.

[mortismurphy]

I disagree completely. I think Geffen-Interscope were exasperated by Axl's delay, going on approximately ten years by 2008, to such an extent that once they had the master tapes in their possession they were never going to procrastinate at the behest of Axl. All my sympathies lie with the record label in fact.

[D-GenerationX]

I disagree completely. I think Geffen-Interscope were exasperated by Axl's delay, going on approximately ten years by 2008, to such an extent that once they had the master tapes in their possession they were never going to procrastinate at the behest of Axl. All my sympathies lie with the record label in fact.

There does reach a point where you've sort of had it.  How could there not be?

As for Axl being pissed and storming off for a year...who is that hurting?  It was the ultimate cutting off your nose to spite your face move.

I'm sure the label would have rather that he actually gave a shit and did some promoting to help the project succeed.  But if he doesn't, do they really care?  Its his livelihood.  Its his career.  The label was not going to be shutting its doors if the album flopped.  But the Guns N' Roses brand suffers big time.

[JAEBALL]

I would like somebody to also explain to me how the booklet was "intentionally botched" because after all the money and advances Axl received from the evil record company ... what is their financial interest in putting out a "botched" album cover/booklet...

was it just a fuck you to Axl for taking a decade to get this done?

its a serious question..i don't think I have ever seen a reasonable answer or reason why they would do that

[mortismurphy]

That is a new one to me also, the booklet being 'intentionally botched''. Perhaps Slash typed it up?

[JAEBALL]

That is a new one to me also, the booklet being 'intentionally botched''. Perhaps Slash typed it up?

haha maybe he did...

I'm not trying to go there tho...

I know Axl talked about the art work not being exactly what he wanted...but I don't know why the label would intentionally do something just to piss him off further ...they are a business...whats the bottom line there?

I'm sorry but Axl comes off as a hypocrite when it comes to the label and their "support" or lack there of... how much more support can you get than the millions in advanced money he received...

I understand its his life's work..and he wants the best for it.. but there is no lifes work without the label affording you that opportunity...it has to be a give n take type thing


EDIT: like 14 Years said.. I hope they find away to mend the fences ...and soon

[Ginger King]

Lets go with the idea that Axl hasn't moved quickly on the new album because the label didn't provide sufficient promotion for CD. 

In that regard, he's likely been avoiding dealing with them as much as possible as this causes stress that he wants to avoid.  When Axl made the comments in Revolver it sounded like he was ready to start dealing with label and negotiations. 

Lets say he's started that process.  That would be great, right?  Now, lets say the label continues to play hardball (per Axl).  It doesn't feel a "classic rock band" such as GN'R, in its current incarnation, given the market environment (per the label).  And so we continue to be at a stale mate. 

What would you want Axl to do?  Say fuck it and release it however he can so he can show the fans that at this stage he just wants to share his art?  Or does Axl think that there is path forward, with proper label support, to make GN'R huge again?  Its certainly fair that an artist would want to reach as many people as possible. 

But is it purely a means to an end, such as wanting to make as much profit as possible?  And does Axl have the appetite to full immerse himself in the public eye to help promote the product? 

Based on history and his own words, he does not like dealing with the media.  So you can't have it both ways.  You can't expect support from the label and not do your part.  For an example, see how Chinese Democracy went down. 

So what do you do?  Somethings got to give here.

I personally think he was justified in not doing the label any favors when CD was released, the booklet was intentionally botched, there was an approved copy available. Promises were broken, things agreed to didn't transpire. 
How are you supposed to react when somebody is ostensibly making an effort to sabotage your release?

He did come online in 2008 and answer questions, and chat with fans, (and others) on the forums.

Intentionally botched?promises were broken?do you have any facts to back up your conclusory statements?  I?m not surprised you think Axl was justified in his post-CD release behavior (and no, a couple web chats does not count as promoting the album).

How should someone act when someone (in this case the evil record company) is trying to sabotage their career?  I don?t know, how about persevere, flip ?em the bird, and show them that their efforts are fruitless?  Actually helping them sabotage your life?s work (by going into hiding) doesn?t seem like the right move.

[D-GenerationX]

I know Axl talked about the art work not being exactly what he wanted...but I don't know why the label would intentionally do something just to piss him off further ...they are a business...whats the bottom line there?

Of course they didn't.  They don't have meetings or entire divisions dedicated to fucking with Axl Rose.

Mistakes were clearly made in the booklet.  Axl clearly made mistakes with how he handled it.  But the reality is that if Axl ever truly wishes to release anything again, he needs them more than they need him.  I'm not saying he has to forgive their fuck-ups, but nor should they have to be OK with his disappearing act and lack of interest in promoting his own work.

But you can't turn back time.  You get back in there and try and have some better lines of communication going so this won't happen again.  Axl Rose is not the first guy to hate his label, and the label is not the first one to have some beefs with an artist.  But you either work it out or give up entirely.

[D-GenerationX]

How should someone act when someone (in this case the evil record company) is trying to sabotage their career?  I don?t know, how about persevere, flip ?em the bird, and show them that their efforts are fruitless?  Actually helping them sabotage your life?s work (by going into hiding) doesn?t seem like the right move.

Which is what you claim to be, no?  The "last man standing"?  Mr. "don't you try and stop us now"?

Well, right now, you are letting them "stop you now".  You don't "just refuse".

[GeorgeSteele]

Remember Eddie Trunk's 2007/8? comments during the CD delay:

"...I hear the new G&R CD is actually done, but the delay in release is not the bands issues but the label. There is so much money tied up in this record that in todays business it will be virtually impossible to be profitable, meaning the label might want to sell it off but can not find a buyer since nobody buys CDs anymore. Problem might not be Axl this time around and might keep this CD in limbo for more years to come. Hopefully it gets resolved..."

How do we know that's not the problem this time around?

[JAEBALL]

Remember Eddie Trunk's 2007/8? comments during the CD delay:

"...I hear the new G&R CD is actually done, but the delay in release is not the bands issues but the label. There is so much money tied up in this record that in todays business it will be virtually impossible to be profitable, meaning the label might want to sell it off but can not find a buyer since nobody buys CDs anymore. Problem might not be Axl this time around and might keep this CD in limbo for more years to come. Hopefully it gets resolved..."

How do we know that's not the problem this time around?

We don't... all speculation based on the little info we have ... but even if they can never get even on all the money they laid out... some money is better than no money back right?