New Dj interview at LegendaryRockInterviews.com (Sep 2014)

[D-GenerationX]

Going back to what D-X said about attendance, I know that the IZod Center at the Meadowlands in November 2011 wasn't a sellout. I was at the show and saw plenty of empty seats from where I was sitting.  Back in the day, you wouldn't have seen that in a NYC area venue.

Obviously.

One cool thing about the Camden show was that being a smaller place, it was packed to the rafters.

Its just smaller rafters.

[D-GenerationX]

Going back to what D-X said about attendance, I know that the IZod Center at the Meadowlands in November 2011 wasn't a sellout. I was at the show and saw plenty of empty seats from where I was sitting.  Back in the day, you wouldn't have seen that in a NYC area venue.

The economy, and the music business are very different than they were "back in the day", so I don't see how this is a valid observation or comparison.

So, by this rationale, other rock bands of similar stature play to under capacity at the Izod Center in this day and age?

Is that what we're saying?

[draguns]

Going back to what D-X said about attendance, I know that the IZod Center at the Meadowlands in November 2011 wasn't a sellout. I was at the show and saw plenty of empty seats from where I was sitting.  Back in the day, you wouldn't have seen that in a NYC area venue.

The economy, and the music business are very different than they were "back in the day", so I don't see how this is a valid observation or comparison.

So, by this rationale, other rock bands of similar stature play to under capacity at the Izod Center in this day and age?

Is that what we're saying?

The economy at that time was awful as well. So you can't say more people attended shows due to the economy.

[D-GenerationX]

Going back to what D-X said about attendance, I know that the IZod Center at the Meadowlands in November 2011 wasn't a sellout. I was at the show and saw plenty of empty seats from where I was sitting.  Back in the day, you wouldn't have seen that in a NYC area venue.

The economy, and the music business are very different than they were "back in the day", so I don't see how this is a valid observation or comparison.

So, by this rationale, other rock bands of similar stature play to under capacity at the Izod Center in this day and age?

Is that what we're saying?

The economy at that time was awful as well. So you can't say more people attended shows due to the economy.

Yeah, good point.  Hadn't considered that.

Recession towards the end of Bush 41.  I was in high school then.

[EmilyGNR]

Even your signature which states "deal the fans some new goddamn cards" is a demand rife with entitlement issues. The band owes you nothing, no "goddamn cards" in the form of new music, no news other than what they choose to share. Being a fan does not entitle you to a say in business decisions, it does not entitle you to pick and choose management, venues, members nor any other internal decisions there are to be made.

Well, they've yet to call, so I've rather made my peace I won't have any say in the day to day operations.

Pretty ridiculous concept, really, but I can see its just being used to make a larger pissy point.  Which I understand, at least in terms of where its coming from, I just don't take it seriously.

Look at the venom in these words of yours.  Not just this post, all of them.  My lord.

We're talking about a rock band on the internet, sweetheart.  This is a band I think we both hope is still around for a good while.  Are we really going to go through this everyday?

Lighten up, Francis.

And here is a blatant attempt to discredit the point made by the use of names, I am not your sweetheart and if anyone needs to "lighten up" it's you with all your toxic negativity.

I understand how you derive a sense of self-worth by posting your prattle all over the internet, but it is repetitive and boring.

I will continue to support this band, not sure what your real aim is.

[EmilyGNR]

Going back to what D-X said about attendance, I know that the IZod Center at the Meadowlands in November 2011 wasn't a sellout. I was at the show and saw plenty of empty seats from where I was sitting.  Back in the day, you wouldn't have seen that in a NYC area venue.

The economy, and the music business are very different than they were "back in the day", so I don't see how this is a valid observation or comparison.

So, by this rationale, other rock bands of similar stature play to under capacity at the Izod Center in this day and age?

Is that what we're saying?

The economy at that time was awful as well. So you can't say more people attended shows due to the economy.

The economy was but one factor I sited, the music industry had not started plummeting like a lead balloon yet. The combination of the economy today, along with the condition of the music industry today, is why comparing the attendance at concerts from the early 90's with attendance at concerts today is apples and oranges.

[EmilyGNR]

Going back to what D-X said about attendance, I know that the IZod Center at the Meadowlands in November 2011 wasn't a sellout. I was at the show and saw plenty of empty seats from where I was sitting.  Back in the day, you wouldn't have seen that in a NYC area venue.

The economy, and the music business are very different than they were "back in the day", so I don't see how this is a valid observation or comparison.

So, by this rationale, other rock bands of similar stature play to under capacity at the Izod Center in this day and age?

Is that what we're saying?

Who is "we"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket or is this yet another attempt to be condescending?

If you aren't aware of how the music industry has changed between the early 90's and 2014, I will be glad to recommend articles you can read to inform yourself.
The music industry is actually down 45% from where it was in 1973.
Album Sales Are Down 14.4 Percent in 2014.Digital track sales have fallen 12.9 percent in 2014, down to 848.5 million sales so far.

[Ginger King]

Going back to what D-X said about attendance, I know that the IZod Center at the Meadowlands in November 2011 wasn't a sellout. I was at the show and saw plenty of empty seats from where I was sitting.  Back in the day, you wouldn't have seen that in a NYC area venue.

The economy, and the music business are very different than they were "back in the day", so I don't see how this is a valid observation or comparison.

That's a convenient way to insulate the current lineup.  You do realize there are bands that sold out back in the day, and continue to sell out and play large shows today.  Metallica is but one...and what's a big difference between them and Guns?  How come Metallica hasn't suffered from the economy and changes in the music business? 

Why is it so hard to admit that demand for GnR is less than it was back in the day?  It is.  This. Is. A. Fact.  Every show I have been to of the current lineup (both in the States and abroad) has not been sold out.  That doesn't mean I didn't have a good time...that means stop pretending this lineup is the same as the old.

[Mattgnr]

It's crazy to compare the new band with the old band in terms of popularity!!

The old band was a phenomenon!! 

[D-GenerationX]

Who is "we"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket or is this yet another attempt to be condescending?

If you aren't aware of how the music industry has changed between the early 90's and 2014, I will be glad to recommend articles you can read to inform yourself.
The music industry is actually down 45% from where it was in 1973.
Album Sales Are Down 14.4 Percent in 2014.Digital track sales have fallen 12.9 percent in 2014, down to 848.5 million sales so far.

Your argument is only strengthened with a wider application though.

If you are going to try and explain away an under capacity Izod Center because of the changing music business, a bad economy, shifting demographics, climate change...or whatever the latest is, you would see this across the board, right?  Other bands of similar stature would be seeing that same fallout.

Absent that, however, this starts to take on the feel of yet another premise that only applies to this particular band.  Albums can't come out because its not 1991 anymore, just nevermind all the other bands that seem to be doing it every week of every year.  Filling an arena can't be done because of all these converging factors, just nevermind all the other similar type bands that pull it off on the regular.

Things start to take on a "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!" type quality.

[EmilyGNR]

Going back to what D-X said about attendance, I know that the IZod Center at the Meadowlands in November 2011 wasn't a sellout. I was at the show and saw plenty of empty seats from where I was sitting.  Back in the day, you wouldn't have seen that in a NYC area venue.

The economy, and the music business are very different than they were "back in the day", so I don't see how this is a valid observation or comparison.

That's a convenient way to insulate the current lineup.  You do realize there are bands that sold out back in the day, and continue to sell out and play large shows today.  Metallica is but one...and what's a big difference between them and Guns?  How come Metallica hasn't suffered from the economy and changes in the music business? 

Why is it so hard to admit that demand for GnR is less than it was back in the day?  It is.  This. Is. A. Fact.  Every show I have been to of the current lineup (both in the States and abroad) has not been sold out.  That doesn't mean I didn't have a good time...that means stop pretending this lineup is the same as the old.

The facts dont change, and nobody is making "excuses" because there is nobody at fault and no "excuse" needs to be made.
Nobody is "pretending" anything at all.

The music industry has undergone some very big  changes and has suffered big setbacks since the early 90's, it is different now.

[EmilyGNR]

Who is "we"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket or is this yet another attempt to be condescending?

If you aren't aware of how the music industry has changed between the early 90's and 2014, I will be glad to recommend articles you can read to inform yourself.
The music industry is actually down 45% from where it was in 1973.
Album Sales Are Down 14.4 Percent in 2014.Digital track sales have fallen 12.9 percent in 2014, down to 848.5 million sales so far.

Your argument is only strengthened with a wider application though.

If you are going to try and explain away an under capacity Izod Center because of the changing music business, a bad economy, shifting demographics, climate change...or whatever the latest is, you would see this across the board, right?  Other bands of similar stature would be seeing that same fallout.

Absent that, however, this starts to take on the feel of yet another premise that only applies to this particular band.  Albums can't come out because its not 1991 anymore, just nevermind all the other bands that seem to be doing it every week of every year.  Filling an arena can't be done because of all these converging factors, just nevermind all the other similar type bands that pull it off on the regular.

Things start to take on a "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!" type quality.

No, that negative "behind the curtain" perception is all in your head, you are once again grasping at straws while attempting to paint GNR and its supporters in a less than complementary light.

Facts are the music industry has changed.Overall revenue during 2013 in the U.S. was $7 billion, nearly the same as it has been since 2009 ? showing a comforting stability after the free fall in the first decade of the new millennium, when revenue plummeted  from its peak of $14.6 billion in 1999, before Napster and later iTunes changed the game forever.

Why people want to compare other bands to GNR makes no sense at all, it is apples and oranges, different circumstances and situations.

I can only surmise it is very important to you to try and paint the band in the worst possible light, whatever lengths you have to stoop to do do this.

[D-GenerationX]

No, that negative "behind the curtain" perception is all in your head, you are once again grasping at straws while attempting to paint GNR and its supporters in a less than complementary light.

No, I'm asking you to defend your own point that you introduced.

Facts are the music industry has changed.Overall revenue during 2013 in the U.S. was $7 billion, nearly the same as it has been since 2009 ? showing a comforting stability after the free fall in the first decade of the new millennium, when revenue plummeted  from its peak of $14.6 billion in 1999, before Napster and later iTunes changed the game forever.

Wikipedia for the win, here.  But what does this have to do with filling an arena?

[Ginger King]

Who is "we"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket or is this yet another attempt to be condescending?

If you aren't aware of how the music industry has changed between the early 90's and 2014, I will be glad to recommend articles you can read to inform yourself.
The music industry is actually down 45% from where it was in 1973.
Album Sales Are Down 14.4 Percent in 2014.Digital track sales have fallen 12.9 percent in 2014, down to 848.5 million sales so far.

Your argument is only strengthened with a wider application though.

If you are going to try and explain away an under capacity Izod Center because of the changing music business, a bad economy, shifting demographics, climate change...or whatever the latest is, you would see this across the board, right?  Other bands of similar stature would be seeing that same fallout.

Absent that, however, this starts to take on the feel of yet another premise that only applies to this particular band.  Albums can't come out because its not 1991 anymore, just nevermind all the other bands that seem to be doing it every week of every year.  Filling an arena can't be done because of all these converging factors, just nevermind all the other similar type bands that pull it off on the regular.

Things start to take on a "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!" type quality.

No, that negative "behind the curtain" perception is all in your head, you are once again grasping at straws while attempting to paint GNR and its supporters in a less than complementary light.

Facts are the music industry has changed.Overall revenue during 2013 in the U.S. was $7 billion, nearly the same as it has been since 2009 ? showing a comforting stability after the free fall in the first decade of the new millennium, when revenue plummeted  from its peak of $14.6 billion in 1999, before Napster and later iTunes changed the game forever.

Why people want to compare other bands to GNR makes no sense at all, it is apples and oranges, different circumstances and situations.

I can only surmise it is very important to you to try and paint the band in the worst possible light, whatever lengths you have to stoop to do do this.

Different circumstances and situations...wait what?  Didn't these other bands suffer through the same economic collapse and changing music landscape?  How is it these things only affect GnR?

Your inability to recognize the clear difference in perception, recognition, contribution, and overall importance between the classic lineup and today is shocking.

[D-GenerationX]

She's just giving total non-answers.

Attendance at a rock concert in 2011 has precisely zero to do with Napster in 1999.  There is no correlation there.

[EmilyGNR]

Who is "we"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket or is this yet another attempt to be condescending?

If you aren't aware of how the music industry has changed between the early 90's and 2014, I will be glad to recommend articles you can read to inform yourself.
The music industry is actually down 45% from where it was in 1973.
Album Sales Are Down 14.4 Percent in 2014.Digital track sales have fallen 12.9 percent in 2014, down to 848.5 million sales so far.

Your argument is only strengthened with a wider application though.

If you are going to try and explain away an under capacity Izod Center because of the changing music business, a bad economy, shifting demographics, climate change...or whatever the latest is, you would see this across the board, right?  Other bands of similar stature would be seeing that same fallout.

Absent that, however, this starts to take on the feel of yet another premise that only applies to this particular band.  Albums can't come out because its not 1991 anymore, just nevermind all the other bands that seem to be doing it every week of every year.  Filling an arena can't be done because of all these converging factors, just nevermind all the other similar type bands that pull it off on the regular.

Things start to take on a "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!" type quality.

No, that negative "behind the curtain" perception is all in your head, you are once again grasping at straws while attempting to paint GNR and its supporters in a less than complementary light.

Facts are the music industry has changed.Overall revenue during 2013 in the U.S. was $7 billion, nearly the same as it has been since 2009 ? showing a comforting stability after the free fall in the first decade of the new millennium, when revenue plummeted  from its peak of $14.6 billion in 1999, before Napster and later iTunes changed the game forever.

Why people want to compare other bands to GNR makes no sense at all, it is apples and oranges, different circumstances and situations.

I can only surmise it is very important to you to try and paint the band in the worst possible light, whatever lengths you have to stoop to do do this.

Different circumstances and situations...wait what?  Didn't these other bands suffer through the same economic collapse and changing music landscape?  How is it these things only affect GnR?

Your inability to recognize the clear difference in perception, recognition, contribution, and overall importance between the classic lineup and today is shocking.

Your determination to paint the band in the worst possible light is what is shocking.

I saw the original lineup quite a few times, I have seen every lineup multiple times, including this year and have enjoyed every time.

Comparing bands to each othe regardless of core differences as well as individual varying circumstances is not something I do, nor do I find it valid. How can you compare say, AC/DC to GNR? Totally different bands and circumstances.

[EmilyGNR]

No, that negative "behind the curtain" perception is all in your head, you are once again grasping at straws while attempting to paint GNR and its supporters in a less than complementary light.

No, I'm asking you to defend your own point that you introduced.

Facts are the music industry has changed.Overall revenue during 2013 in the U.S. was $7 billion, nearly the same as it has been since 2009 ? showing a comforting stability after the free fall in the first decade of the new millennium, when revenue plummeted  from its peak of $14.6 billion in 1999, before Napster and later iTunes changed the game forever.

Wikipedia for the win, here.  But what does this have to do with filling an arena?

Actually wasnt from Wikipedia, but from a business article.

My point is you simply cannot compare 91's musical climate with present day, the business has changed.

http://music3point0.blogspot.com/2014/09/album-sales-hit-new-low.html?m=1

Nice attempt at trying to change the topic to suit your agenda though.

[EmilyGNR]

She's just giving total non-answers.

Attendance at a rock concert in 2011 has precisely zero to do with Napster in 1999.  There is no correlation there.

If you would bother to take all the facts I posted into consideration, and not simply cherry-pick to suit your purposes, you would see the financial aspects of the music industry has gone through quite an alteration, you cant accurately compare 91 to any year in the 2000's.

It is ludicrous, but I suppose you have to try and save face.

How old were you in 1991? How many shows did you attend that year?

[D-GenerationX]

My point is you simply cannot compare 91's musical climate with present day, the business has changed.

Nice attempt at trying to change the topic to suit your agenda though.

Who here disputes that?  Has that happened somewhere?

The topic was about a 2011 GNR concert at the Izod center being under capacity.  You saunter in with a cut and paste job about how the music industry has changed in in the past 20 years.

To which I'd say :

- no shit it has
- the only bearing that has on this particular situation would be if you could link those stats to a general inability of other similar rock acts to move tickets in comparable venues

But, on that second point, you've been asked three times now to address it, but you ain't taking that phone call.  Which is an answer in itself, really.  And not one that really surprises anyone here, I suspect.  If you had a point to make, you'd have made it by now.

We can't force you to defend your own point, but running from it like scalded dog rather takes us off the hook having to acknowledge it.

We can only ask so many times before we move on, which is what we will be doing now.

[EmilyGNR]

My point is you simply cannot compare 91's musical climate with present day, the business has changed.

Nice attempt at trying to change the topic to suit your agenda though.

Who here disputes that?  Has that happened somewhere?

The topic was about a 2011 GNR concert at the Izod center being under capacity.  You saunter in with a cut and paste job about how the music industry has changed in in the past 20 years.

To which I'd say :

- no shit it has
- the only bearing that has on this particular situation would be if you could link those stats to a general inability of other similar rock acts to move tickets in comparable venues

But, on that second point, you've been asked three times now to address it, but you ain't taking that phone call.  Which is an answer in itself, really.  And not one that really surprises anyone here, I suspect.  If you had a point to make, you'd have made it by now.

We can't force you to defend your own point, but running from it like scalded dog rather takes us off the hook having to acknowledge it.

We can only ask so many times before we move on, which is what we will be doing now.

How eloquent, I expected nothing more and you failed to answer my inquiries.

Not running from anything, Im at work and not at liberty to devote all my attention here.

Maybe you missed my questions, how old were you in 1991, and how many shows did you attend that year?