Goodbye Ron (???)

[TheBaconman]

In 3 years when Axl decides to tour again he could very well be on stage with the boys again

If that's the case, I suspect there'd be a lot of reconstruction of burned bridges.


/jarmo

I agree.  Burnt bridges are usually repaired with, time and money

[D-GenerationX]

In 3 years when Axl decides to tour again he could very well be on stage with the boys again

If that's the case, I suspect there'd be a lot of reconstruction of burned bridges.

Yeah, there would have to be. 

And you'd have to wonder if its not just easier to go with someone else without all the baggage and bullshit.

[TheBaconman]

In 3 years when Axl decides to tour again he could very well be on stage with the boys again

If that's the case, I suspect there'd be a lot of reconstruction of burned bridges.

Yeah, there would have to be. 

And you'd have to wonder if its not just easier to go with someone else without all the baggage and bullshit.

For touring I think it is easiest to go with guys that know each other and know the music

For touring there is no real baggage.  All the musicians in the band are pros and don't have to be friends to play the gigs

And from what we have seen from Axl

He doesn't even have to be involved with the musicians that play in his band.  He can travel separate.  Show up when ever he wants to the gig. And have his management communicate his wishes to the players in his band.   There should be no drama on his side.  He has everything he wants

[reayj2003]

In 3 years when Axl decides to tour again he could very well be on stage with the boys again

If that's the case, I suspect there'd be a lot of reconstruction of burned bridges.


/jarmo

You've toured with Ron many times. Are you not close to him? Or would you consider him a friend at least?

[D-GenerationX]

For touring I think it is easiest to go with guys that know each other and know the music

For touring there is no real baggage.  All the musicians in the band are pros and don't have to be friends to play the gigs

That's the best reason for keeping him, I think.  His role in the live show.

You really can't talk all that seriously about concerns for new albums, but tours at least happen.  And he's a big part of that live show.

[jarmo]

For touring I think it is easiest to go with guys that know each other and know the music

One one hand, easy. On another hand, not so easy.

Read the Rolling Stone Indonesia translation again. I think being able to play the songs is important, but so is getting along and having a good time while doing it.

You've toured with Ron many times. Are you not close to him? Or would you consider him a friend at least?

That doesn't change the fact that things have been said that maybe would've been better left unsaid. At least in public.
But that's just my personal opinion.




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

That doesn't change the fact that things have been said that maybe would've been better left unsaid. At least in public.
But that's just my personal opinion.

I think its a valid one.

Ron has been completely unprofessional for the past year or so.  Human nature to expect the GNR camp to be a bit annoyed with it all.

And even looking a little deeper, look at some of the things he's said.  If he's truly that damn unhappy, do you even want him back?  I would say no.

[pilferk]

That doesn't change the fact that things have been said that maybe would've been better left unsaid. At least in public.
But that's just my personal opinion.

I think its a valid one.

Ron has been completely unprofessional for the past year or so.  Human nature to expect the GNR camp to be a bit annoyed with it all.

And even looking a little deeper, look at some of the things he's said.  If he's truly that damn unhappy, do you even want him back?  I would say no.

The guy made it very obvious he was unhappy, not just with Axl, but with other members of the band, with the way the band with run, with the way the creative process worked, with their level of productivity, with the interpersonal relationships/politics of the group, with the scheduling of gigs, with....well, you get the picture.

He has now spouted off about pretty much every aspect of the band in a negative way. He has thrown not just Axl, but the entire band, it's management, and it's support apparatus, under the bus.

It's hard to come back from that.  I'd never say impossible, but its damn fucking close.

[Ja5oN]

Why are we forever discussing Ron?  If everyone is so sure he is gone....then let's move on.....

[D-GenerationX]

Why are we forever discussing Ron?  If everyone is so sure he is gone....then let's move on.....

Its the closest thing we have to a current event with this band.  A guy that may or may not have left, 10 months back.

[TheBaconman]

For touring I think it is easiest to go with guys that know each other and know the music

For touring there is no real baggage.  All the musicians in the band are pros and don't have to be friends to play the gigs

That's the best reason for keeping him, I think.  His role in the live show.

You really can't talk all that seriously about concerns for new albums, but tours at least happen.  And he's a big part of that live show.

I would keep the guy for the live shows.  Where no baggage is really involved

When it comes down to writing a new album.   I would find someone else

[TheBaconman]

Why are we forever discussing Ron?  If everyone is so sure he is gone....then let's move on.....

Move on to what? 

[TheBaconman]

Why are we forever discussing Ron?  If everyone is so sure he is gone....then let's move on.....

Its the closest thing we have to a current event with this band.  A guy that may or may not have left, 10 months back.

You read my mind

We can all move on, but what are we moving onto?  I have moved on here to discussing sports and current movies I have seen

Trust me my life isn't on hold waiting for something to happen with gnr.  But damn would I love something to talk about.  I would love a concert to look forward to seeing.  Or new music to listen too

On a side note.  Montely crew have announced another once in a life time final concert here in Edmonton.   Ugh.     Sometimes no touring is a good thing

[rebelhipi]

Translated from Rolling Stone Indonesia

20/04/2015

Actually, what about your relationship with the members of Guns N 'Roses?

Ron Thal: Is different with each of its members. This is a very personal nature. I talked a lot with some of them, and partly I did not talk to them. I was not happy. Therefore, I also felt the need to resign because at the time I had reached the point where it affects the feeling of internal relations within the band. At that time I felt there was a point where I can not help anyone when to be there because it's unhappiness. When it does, then you should know that it is time to go.

http://rollingstone.co.id/read/2015/04/20/190213/2892914/1095/qa-ron-bumblefoot-thal?

So who do you think Ron had/has problems with?
Ron and Richard have never seemed that close...

[Spirit]

Translated from Rolling Stone Indonesia

20/04/2015

Actually, what about your relationship with the members of Guns N 'Roses?

Ron Thal: Is different with each of its members. This is a very personal nature. I talked a lot with some of them, and partly I did not talk to them. I was not happy. Therefore, I also felt the need to resign because at the time I had reached the point where it affects the feeling of internal relations within the band. At that time I felt there was a point where I can not help anyone when to be there because it's unhappiness. When it does, then you should know that it is time to go.

http://rollingstone.co.id/read/2015/04/20/190213/2892914/1095/qa-ron-bumblefoot-thal?

So who do you think Ron had/has problems with?
Ron and Richard have never seemed that close...

Hard to say, but I do remember Ron and DJ having a little "twitter war" some time ago. They didn't call each other out by name, but it was somewhat obvious they directed a couple of messages at each other.

[pilferk]

Translated from Rolling Stone Indonesia

20/04/2015

Actually, what about your relationship with the members of Guns N 'Roses?

Ron Thal: Is different with each of its members. This is a very personal nature. I talked a lot with some of them, and partly I did not talk to them. I was not happy. Therefore, I also felt the need to resign because at the time I had reached the point where it affects the feeling of internal relations within the band. At that time I felt there was a point where I can not help anyone when to be there because it's unhappiness. When it does, then you should know that it is time to go.

http://rollingstone.co.id/read/2015/04/20/190213/2892914/1095/qa-ron-bumblefoot-thal?

So who do you think Ron had/has problems with?
Ron and Richard have never seemed that close...

My wholly unfounded, with no basis, speculative, thought?

Ron wanted a hgher profile spot in the band. Either he wanted to be tommy, or he wanted to be dj. Or both. I also dont think he and dj were the best of buds, largely because dj gets a lot of the spotlight, and i think ron might have felt he was doing a lot if the heavy lifting. I suspect he made those points to axl...and they fell on deaf ears.

Combine that with his other frustrations, which we have heard him mention in other articles....and you get what we had here last week (year?).

But those are just the voices in my head telling me stories. Probably not a whit of it is accurate.

[JAEBALL]

For touring I think it is easiest to go with guys that know each other and know the music

For touring there is no real baggage.  All the musicians in the band are pros and don't have to be friends to play the gigs

That's the best reason for keeping him, I think.  His role in the live show.

You really can't talk all that seriously about concerns for new albums, but tours at least happen.  And he's a big part of that live show.

I would keep the guy for the live shows.  Where no baggage is really involved

When it comes down to writing a new album.   I would find someone else

a). ron quit... he wasn't fired. You cant keep a guy who doesn't want to be there.

b) why would you want one guy for a tour and a different guy to write a new album ...

[JAEBALL]

Translated from Rolling Stone Indonesia

20/04/2015

Actually, what about your relationship with the members of Guns N 'Roses?

Ron Thal: Is different with each of its members. This is a very personal nature. I talked a lot with some of them, and partly I did not talk to them. I was not happy. Therefore, I also felt the need to resign because at the time I had reached the point where it affects the feeling of internal relations within the band. At that time I felt there was a point where I can not help anyone when to be there because it's unhappiness. When it does, then you should know that it is time to go.

http://rollingstone.co.id/read/2015/04/20/190213/2892914/1095/qa-ron-bumblefoot-thal?

So who do you think Ron had/has problems with?
Ron and Richard have never seemed that close...

My wholly unfounded, with no basis, speculative, thought?

Ron wanted a hgher profile spot in the band. Either he wanted to be tommy, or he wanted to be dj. Or both. I also dont think he and dj were the best of buds, largely because dj gets a lot of the spotlight, and i think ron might have felt he was doing a lot if the heavy lifting. I suspect he made those points to axl...and they fell on deaf ears.

Combine that with his other frustrations, which we have heard him mention in other articles....and you get what we had here last week (year?).

But those are just the voices in my head telling me stories. Probably not a whit of it is accurate.

I'm sure some of that is true... I also think Ron probably got tired of the criticism that GNR takes.. and wanted them to function in a more cohesive manner where they write and record together and release stuff... and since they don't really do that for whatever reasons... they get heat.. and he probably got tired of hearing it.

It was clear he was not a fan of DJ... and when people don't come together by choice... there is certainly a chance not everybody will get a long... That's in any walk of life.

I obviously have no clue... but if it's true that they paid DJ more than Ron... well then that would piss me off too...

Especially by all accounts, Ron is the far superior player.

[pilferk]

Translated from Rolling Stone Indonesia

20/04/2015

Actually, what about your relationship with the members of Guns N 'Roses?

Ron Thal: Is different with each of its members. This is a very personal nature. I talked a lot with some of them, and partly I did not talk to them. I was not happy. Therefore, I also felt the need to resign because at the time I had reached the point where it affects the feeling of internal relations within the band. At that time I felt there was a point where I can not help anyone when to be there because it's unhappiness. When it does, then you should know that it is time to go.

http://rollingstone.co.id/read/2015/04/20/190213/2892914/1095/qa-ron-bumblefoot-thal?

So who do you think Ron had/has problems with?
Ron and Richard have never seemed that close...

My wholly unfounded, with no basis, speculative, thought?

Ron wanted a hgher profile spot in the band. Either he wanted to be tommy, or he wanted to be dj. Or both. I also dont think he and dj were the best of buds, largely because dj gets a lot of the spotlight, and i think ron might have felt he was doing a lot if the heavy lifting. I suspect he made those points to axl...and they fell on deaf ears.

Combine that with his other frustrations, which we have heard him mention in other articles....and you get what we had here last week (year?).

But those are just the voices in my head telling me stories. Probably not a whit of it is accurate.

I'm sure some of that is true... I also think Ron probably got tired of the criticism that GNR takes.. and wanted them to function in a more cohesive manner where they write and record together and release stuff... and since they don't really do that for whatever reasons... they get heat.. and he probably got tired of hearing it.

It was clear he was not a fan of DJ... and when people don't come together by choice... there is certainly a chance not everybody will get a long... That's in any walk of life.

I obviously have no clue... but if it's true that they paid DJ more than Ron... well then that would piss me off too...

Especially by all accounts, Ron is the far superior player.

I think Ron wanted them to operate in a very specific way, creatively, and wanted a bigger part in the creative process at large (which goes part and parcel with doing it "his way").  His comments seem to indicate that.

But...GnR largely hasn't operated the way RON seems to have wanted them to work (together, locked in a studio) since AFD.  And I think OTHER members of the band were comfortable with the status quo.

[JAEBALL]

He was a bad fit for how Axl operates.