Goodbye Ron (???)

[Ali]

The awkward situation started with the hints and countdowns last year.

Yep.

Which I believe he then quickly made sure to tell someone not to read into it.  Despite the fact the countdown ended on the day of the last GNR show.

Sure thing, Ronbo.

I agree completely. That started the awkwardness. Had he not done that, there might not be this discussion now.

No way.

We would never know anything was up.  The band would be off the road, presumably working on the album (ha-ha) and no one is the wiser.

This whole thing makes me respect Robin more. No social media or press drama from him. I suspect that may be part of why he's on good enough terms with GN'R that the official twitter account wished him a happy birthday.

Ali

[Axl4Prez2004]

BUT, don't all the members of GNR contribute to SOME form of artistic collaboration in some kind of effort to create new music?

It's possible. But it's also possible those parts have been done already. Or the person who says he left isn't part of that creative collaboration.
Maybe he recorded his parts already, or maybe he's not needed because there were other guys there before him who recorded the parts?
/jarmo

Agreed.  As usual, excellent points Jarmo.

I am glad Ron put out the message not to paint GNR management as villains. 
Everything I've seen from all parties involved tells me they're all good people...just sometimes it doesn't work out relationship-wise in the long run.
Hopefully they can keep everything civil no matter how it turns out. (staying or going)

 

[14 Yrs Of Silence]

I'm guessing that TB doesn't want to make an official announcement regarding his departure without some positive news to offset it because the media will once again take shots at Axl being difficult.  Honestly, do any of you need an official announcement at this point?  I think we all know the deal.  I'm over it and really its irrelevant to my expectation that they release a new record before going on a major tour again. 

[Mysteron]

The awkward situation started with the hints and countdowns last year.

Yep.

Which I believe he then quickly made sure to tell someone not to read into it.  Despite the fact the countdown ended on the day of the last GNR show.

Sure thing, Ronbo.

I agree completely. That started the awkwardness. Had he not done that, there might not be this discussion now.

No way.

We would never know anything was up.  The band would be off the road, presumably working on the album (ha-ha) and no one is the wiser.

This whole thing makes me respect Robin more. No social media or press drama from him. I suspect that may be part of why he's on good enough terms with GN'R that the official twitter account wished him a happy birthday.

Ali

All true

I have been totally taken aback by BBF and his lack of decency. If he wants to move on, do it quietly and respectfully.

[14 Yrs Of Silence]

Keep in mind, Ron is a New Yorker, so its hard for him to not at least just acknowledge whats going on.  In doing so, he doesn't need to talk shit, and he may just want to set the record straight regarding his status with the band.  Put yourself in his shoes, you quit your job and can't tell people about it.  You get asked questions, and you can't answer them.  Not really fair to him.  Maybe he could be more respectful about it if he hadn't been given a gag order.  Its human nature to act out when being suppressed.  I get that Ron set the stage for some of this long ago with the countdown, calling out TB for not returning his calls, etc. But he has also felt disrespected with having to cancel his tour, lack of communication, etc.  End of the day, it is what it is and it be what it be.  Lets just keep this thing moving forward, however slowly it goes.

[Ali]

Keep in mind, Ron is a New Yorker, so its hard for him to not at least just acknowledge whats going on.  In doing so, he doesn't need to talk shit, and he may just want to set the record straight regarding his status with the band.  Put yourself in his shoes, you quit your job and can't tell people about it.  You get asked questions, and you can't answer them.  Not really fair to him.  Maybe he could be more respectful about it if he hadn't been given a gag order.  Its human nature to act out when being suppressed.  I get that Ron set the stage for some of this long ago with the countdown, calling out TB for not returning his calls, etc. But he has also felt disrespected with having to cancel his tour, lack of communication, etc.  End of the day, it is what it is and it be what it be.  Lets just keep this thing moving forward, however slowly it goes.

Ron didn't set the stage for some of this. He set the stage for all of it. It's not just the countdown tweet either. He's had several social media outbursts over the years, airing dirty laundry publicly.

Ali

[FunkyMonkey]

Ron didn't set the stage for some of this. He set the stage for all of it.

Ali

Because you know what happened behind the scenes and what precipitated it.

[Spirit]

Ron didn't set the stage for some of this. He set the stage for all of it.

Ali

Because you know what happened behind the scenes and what precipitated it.

He chose to go public with everything even though he never gave any concrete information about his status. He must have known it would only lead to speculation. It was his choice.

[FunkyMonkey]

Ron didn't set the stage for some of this. He set the stage for all of it.

Ali

Because you know what happened behind the scenes and what precipitated it.

He chose to go public with everything even though he never gave any concrete information about his status. He must have known it would only lead to speculation. It was his choice.

Not with everything.  You don't know all that has happened, what led up to it.

[TheBaconman]

Ron didn't set the stage for some of this. He set the stage for all of it.

Ali

Because you know what happened behind the scenes and what precipitated it.

He chose to go public with everything even though he never gave any concrete information about his status. He must have known it would only lead to speculation. It was his choice.

Not with everything.  You don't know all that has happened, what led up to it.

What are you getting at with this?

From what I see

Ron was hired to play a role in the band.   To tour and to contribute to some parts on cd as per Axls wishes

Ron either wanted a bigger role in the band    In terms of song writting or performance   

This didnt happend and after years of getting paid for this roll Ron either quit or was fired or his contract was just simply not re-issued

Ron was also then asked either via a written non  disclosure or via a verbal one, not to speak publicly of guns n roses

Ron can't seem to handle this.....    He is the one trying to make a public stink about this situation   With his beating around the bush approach to this situation.   

I really don't see guns in the wrong at all in this situation.  Ron was simply an employee that was paid for a role   Who wasn't happy in that role but proceeded to get paid for for years

Also I would have way more respect for Ron if he would just come out at say exactlly what's going on.   If not.  Then just shut up with all this other drama he is bringing on

[Spirit]

Ron didn't set the stage for some of this. He set the stage for all of it.

Ali

Because you know what happened behind the scenes and what precipitated it.

He chose to go public with everything even though he never gave any concrete information about his status. He must have known it would only lead to speculation. It was his choice.

Not with everything.  You don't know all that has happened, what led up to it.

What do you mean not everything?

Do you suggest that Ron isn't behind everything that has gone public??

We can only talk about the things that has come out publicly, none of us know what hasn't come out. It was his choice to share the things that he shared, and it has only led to confusion among the fans.

Or, are you suggesting that somehow someone pressured Ron to say the things that he has said? Nothing indicates that.


If he already knew that he couldn't actually say that he is out of the band, why the hell did he begin with the cryptic shit in the first place? He only made things difficult for himself.

[jarmo]

Not with everything.  You don't know all that has happened, what led up to it

I'd love to hear the explanation for this.

For example, Axl is known for preferring going on stage later than most. It's the way he is, I'd say most attending GN'R shows are aware of this. Years after Ron had joined, he started talking about this and going on stage pointing at his wrist. I'm sure he noticed this the first week he was in the band, if he didn't know about it already, but it took him years to start acting up on it.




/jarmo

[westcoast_junkie]

I refuse to believe this until I have to. Bumblefoot is my favourite of all Guns guitarists, exept maybe Izzy. But, on the bright side, this probably will lead to more music coming out. Either way Axl's always been good to pick out new musicians,  so it may not be a problem in the bigger picture. And maybe this will catalyze the process of getting the already recorded stuff out on the market?

[Axl4Prez2004]

Couldn't this whole Ron situation be looked at as an inevitability?
Can't it be expected that when band "members" aren't really "members" they'll eventually want more out of the relationship?
It reminds me of common-law wives.
Eventually, no matter how many times that woman says she's cool with it and just wants to live with her man, she'll eventually want something more...a ring.
No, I don't think Ron wanted Axl to marry him   but I do think he probably wanted more out of the relationship.
In my scenario, ya can't fault Axl and TB.
It sounds like they did everything by the book.
BUT, in this kind of "arrangement," eventually, you've gotta expect feelings to get hurt, and employees to want more.
It sounds like Ron got frustrated and true to his personality, he voiced it.

It seems to me that Axl's been burned in the past, and just doesn't want to risk "getting married" to any band member.
BUT, it could be argued that in the long-run, it's taking on that risk that modulates the risk-reward...tighter band (greater involvement from all) equals potential for higher highs, but also lower lows.

Is it possible that 15 to 20 years from now when GNR is essentially in the past, that historians will look back at what happened with this band and shake their heads over what could have been?
I'll always hope for a super-productive period of 5 to 7 years with 3 or 4 new albums...but based on what's happened up to now, I'm a lot more pessimistic.

[Ali]

Ron didn't set the stage for some of this. He set the stage for all of it.

Ali

Because you know what happened behind the scenes and what precipitated it.

He chose to go public with everything even though he never gave any concrete information about his status. He must have known it would only lead to speculation. It was his choice.

Not with everything.  You don't know all that has happened, what led up to it.

As Spirit said, Ron was the one who chose to make public statements leading to speculation, discussion and controversy seen within this very thread. The seed for which was unquestionably his infamous countdown tweet. How valid or invalid his complaints or frustrations may be, they are irrelevant to how Ron chose to handle them.

Ali

[Ali]

Ron didn't set the stage for some of this. He set the stage for all of it.

Ali

Because you know what happened behind the scenes and what precipitated it.

He chose to go public with everything even though he never gave any concrete information about his status. He must have known it would only lead to speculation. It was his choice.

Not with everything.  You don't know all that has happened, what led up to it.

What do you mean not everything?

Do you suggest that Ron isn't behind everything that has gone public??

We can only talk about the things that has come out publicly, none of us know what hasn't come out. It was his choice to share the things that he shared, and it has only led to confusion among the fans.

Or, are you suggesting that somehow someone pressured Ron to say the things that he has said? Nothing indicates that.


If he already knew that he couldn't actually say that he is out of the band, why the hell did he begin with the cryptic shit in the first place? He only made things difficult for himself.

We'll said, Spirit. Very well said.

Ron didn't have to handle things how he did, he chose to.

Ali

[D-GenerationX]

Is it possible that 15 to 20 years from now when GNR is essentially in the past, that historians will look back at what happened with this band and shake their heads over what could have been?

They think that now.

[FunkyMonkey]

He chose to go public with everything even though he never gave any concrete information about his status. He must have known it would only lead to speculation. It was his choice.

Not with everything.  You don't know all that has happened, what led up to it.

What do you mean not everything?

You said he chose to go public with everything.  I was just saying he hasn't gone public with everything or we wouldn't still be guessing 74 pages later.

We can only talk about the things that has come out publicly, none of us know what hasn't come out.

Exactly.  We don't know what has happened, why it happened, until Ron can talk or we get a statement from Guns N' Roses management team.

I'd love to hear the explanation for this.

See above.

How valid or invalid his complaints or frustrations may be, they are irrelevant to how Ron chose to handle them.

I agree this has been handled badly in public, that's on Ron.  But what led to him quitting, what went on and why he's gone, may not be on Ron.  We just don't know.

[damnthehaters]

He chose to go public with everything even though he never gave any concrete information about his status. He must have known it would only lead to speculation. It was his choice.

Not with everything.  You don't know all that has happened, what led up to it.

What do you mean not everything?

You said he chose to go public with everything.  I was just saying he hasn't gone public with everything or we wouldn't still be guessing 74 pages later.

We can only talk about the things that has come out publicly, none of us know what hasn't come out.

Exactly.  We don't know what has happened, why it happened, until Ron can talk or we get a statement from Guns N' Roses management team.

I'd love to hear the explanation for this.

See above.

How valid or invalid his complaints or frustrations may be, they are irrelevant to how Ron chose to handle them.

I agree this has been handled badly in public, that's on Ron.  But what led to him quitting, what went on and why he's gone, may not be on Ron.  We just don't know.

I get what your saying, but your missing Ali's point.  She said Ron has brought on all of this....meaning all the negative talk towards him or the awkwardness of what's going on....Ron created this by going public.  Your right, we don't know all of what went on...but if Ron would have just kept his mouth shut and respected the opportunity he was given, nothing would be awkward and he wouldn't be getting shit.  You could say...well screw that, speak your mind.  Ok, but your gonna get some feedback then.  Again, if Ron doesn't go public with his complaints, we're not even talking about this.  So yes, he has brought on all this. 

[FunkyMonkey]

I get what your saying, but your missing Ali's point.  She said Ron has brought on all of this....meaning all the negative talk towards him or the awkwardness of what's going on....Ron created this by going public. 
 

Ali said "he set the stage for all of it."  For the criticism about going public in the way he did, yes.  For his situation in the band, what happened, we don't know.