Goodbye Ron (???)

[mortismurphy]

Interesting. I suspect something will break in the next two weeks, whether that be via Ron or Guns.

[TheBaconman]

BUMBLEFOOT Doesn't Want To Make Any Public Statements About GUNS N' ROSES

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/bumblefoot-doesnt-want-to-make-any-public-statements-about-guns-n-roses/

Ron is the one that has made this awkward 

All the interviews he has been granted is because of his role and time in GNR

Why is he still doing all these interviews and public statments, if it makes him feel awkward?

Why did he agree to this request not to speK publicly?  He had to have known all this drama would be the result.   He was the guy with a silly countdown right?

[jarmo]

Think about it, if you have an employee who is either quitting or has been fired (either way the analogy works)...for a business to replace said employee,
do you think they'd be more successful publicly acknowledging the fact said employee is gone, or by keeping it a secret and telling nobody?

That's the thing, if the vacancy isn't needed to be filled at this instant. The person quits and then everybody goes on holidays. The office is empty.
Then you don't need to make announcements and have a replacement for that employee.




/jarmo

[raindogs70]

They only need Ron to do a few solos off of Chinese Democracy, so if some songs were dropped from the set, they don't really need a third lead guitarist. They could also have one of the guitar techs do those leads. Lineup changes are bound to happen but it's been 5-6 years since DJ came on board so compared to some other bands, they're not that bad when it comes to lineup changes. And if Axl REALLY needs a third lead guitarist - you're now talking about a pool of guitarists from the 80s and 90s (and even into the 2000s) that have done that mix of studio work and road warrior that fits into the mix of GnR.

Nothing is stopping anyone on here from submitting their demos to GNR's management, even if they're not looking. It doesn't mean you'll get the gig, but you never know unless you try.

[Ow-So7411501]

Think about it, if you have an employee who is either quitting or has been fired (either way the analogy works)...for a business to replace said employee,
do you think they'd be more successful publicly acknowledging the fact said employee is gone, or by keeping it a secret and telling nobody?

That's the thing, if the vacancy isn't needed to be filled at this instant. The person quits and then everybody goes on holidays. The office is empty.
Then you don't need to make announcements and have a replacement for that employee.




/jarmo

Don't you hate the fact that this has become a band with interchangeable parts? It just seems like the "real fans" have no problem with people leaving and just choose to support who ever takes there place.

[jarmo]

Do I hate it? Not really. I kinda have had since 1990 to get used to the fact that "nothing lasts forever".





/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Don't you hate the fact that this has become a band with interchangeable parts? It just seems like the "real fans" have no problem with people leaving and just choose to support who ever takes there place.

I think that's largely true.  Anyone still sticking around is willing to accept whoever Axl trots out there.

As for hating the fact that its a band with interchangeable parts?  I think that comes down to how legit a band you consider this to be.

[TheBaconman]

I think the main reason they havnt had the need to announce a new guitar player to replace Ron is, guns will not pay for one

What I mean buy that.  From all accounts of what I have read, none of the current band members are on a salary.  None of them get a percentage of past gnr royalties.   the members of the band make there money off touring

So I can see why guns would not go out of there way to announce a new band member until a tour is planned.   Because that's how that guitar player will get paid

Say your a guitar player and guns managment asks you to try out for the band.  And guess what you got the part.  But hey, now you are going to have to sit at home and wait till we tour before you get paid.   You would have to be pretty desperate of a guitar player to accept that deal

Back durring the recording sessions of CD it was a lot easier for the band to swap out players and such as they were all on a salty and receiving monthy cheques

Don't get me wrong I think it's bad buisness for guns to to address this situation.  It would also be great for the fans and in the long run great for the band

But the only way I see them anouncing a guitar player before a scheduled tour, would be if guns changes there buisness model of how it pays its employees

[Jude]

I would love to hear Ron's honest statement about this but it clearly looks like he has signed some kind of contract that forbids him of even stating that he's out of the band.. I mean how ridiculous situation is that?! I surely can't blame Ron here.

Well, this is how things are handled in a GNR camp.. I bet they wanted to handle this in silence just like with Brain and Finck for example. It's actually kind of interesting to see that Ron at least tries to get the message to the fans (even when he clearly could get sued), and not hide it like the management wants to do with things like these nowadays.

[D-GenerationX]

Well, this is how things are handled in a GNR camp.. I bet they wanted to handle this in silence just like with Brain and Finck for example. It's actually kind of interesting to see that Ron at least tries to get the message to the fans (even when he clearly could get sued), and not hide it like the management wants to do with things like these nowadays.

But you have to wonder what they have to hold over his head.

Is he still being paid?  He'd almost have to be, right?  There had to be some financial reason he feels he can't cut loose.

But how does that make him look, if true?  He supposedly so badly wants to talk about it...but not enough to stop taking their money to do so?

[Ginger King]

Do I hate it? Not really. I kinda have had since 1990 to get used to the fact that "nothing lasts forever".

/jarmo

Is that your way of saying you view the UYI lineup the same as the current lineup, as each had people that replaced former members?

[Axl4Prez2004]

Think about it, if you have an employee who is either quitting or has been fired (either way the analogy works)...for a business to replace said employee,
do you think they'd be more successful publicly acknowledging the fact said employee is gone, or by keeping it a secret and telling nobody?

That's the thing, if the vacancy isn't needed to be filled at this instant. The person quits and then everybody goes on holidays. The office is empty.
Then you don't need to make announcements and have a replacement for that employee.
/jarmo

Maybe it's me getting weaker in my older age, less patient if you will...but that analogy signals to me:
Ron's presence (or a replacement for him) is not needed at this time.
From a live performance standpoint, I can understand that because Guns isn't currently touring, no big whoop.
BUT, don't all the members of GNR contribute to SOME form of artistic collaboration in some kind of effort to create new music?

If my business loses a vital cog, I better damn well get my butt moving to find a replacement.  Remember how long it took to find a replacement for Buckethead?
So, it feels like we're either to assume Ron wasn't a vital cog, or that the urgency just isn't/wasn't there.
I hate to say that.
I've been a huge supporter of GNR over the years. (still am)
The situation's just unfortunate.  

[jarmo]

Is that your way of saying you view the UYI lineup the same as the current lineup, as each had people that replaced former members?

No.  I'm not comparing anything.
Just that back in 1990 when Steven was let go, it became apparent that people might get fired, or leave at any point, and the old band ceased to exist the way I got to know them. It's life.

BUT, don't all the members of GNR contribute to SOME form of artistic collaboration in some kind of effort to create new music?

It's possible. But it's also possible those parts have been done already. Or the person who says he left isn't part of that creative collaboration.
Maybe he recorded his parts already, or maybe he's not needed because there were other guys there before him who recorded the parts?




/jarmo

[Ginger King]

BUT, don't all the members of GNR contribute to SOME form of artistic collaboration in some kind of effort to create new music?

It's possible. But it's also possible those parts have been done already. Or the person who says he left isn't part of that creative collaboration.
Maybe he recorded his parts already, or maybe he's not needed because there were other guys there before him who recorded the parts?

/jarmo

Yeah, from what's out there, it sounds as though Ron didn't have all that much involvement in CDII or any new Guns material...so I'm not sure if he's really a vital cog that needs to be replaced in order to get the next album out. 

[TheBaconman]

Well, this is how things are handled in a GNR camp.. I bet they wanted to handle this in silence just like with Brain and Finck for example. It's actually kind of interesting to see that Ron at least tries to get the message to the fans (even when he clearly could get sued), and not hide it like the management wants to do with things like these nowadays.

But you have to wonder what they have to hold over his head.

Is he still being paid?  He'd almost have to be, right?  There had to be some financial reason he feels he can't cut loose.

But how does that make him look, if true?  He supposedly so badly wants to talk about it...but not enough to stop taking their money to do so?

What would Ron be currently being paid for?

I would say nothing.   Other than the last tour, I can't see him being on any salary at the moment.   What benifit would that be to guns?   Have a guy on salary then not use hm for anything

I could see any member of guns that have recently done some studio work for the band may have been paid for that.   Like Pittman or mb even Richard....

I would say the biggest reason can't say anything publicly is because there must of been a non Disclosure clause in his contract with guns that he signed a couple years back. 

[CherryGarcia]

Ron isn't important. It's the music that is. The question we should be asking is not if Ron's out, but if they can get an album out sometime this year.

[dolphins]

Ron isn't important. It's the music that is. The question we should be asking is not if Ron's out, but if they can get an album out sometime this year.

Sorry but it matters to those of us who really like Ron, he's been very fan friendly & gives a personal touch to the band both on & off stage.

Yes the music is obviously important too but I wouldn't hold your breathe for a new album coming out this year. How long have we been reading interviews saying they have new songs? Great if it happens but I'd hate to see Ron leave.

[FunkyMonkey]

Thal then issued an official statement on the Guns N? Roses Forum website. ?Let folks know I?m not being forced, and TB [Team Brazil, the management company that manages Guns N' Roses and Rose] doesn?t need to be treated like monsters, and I ask that they not be treated like villains. It?s on me, I?ve been trying to please both sides at the same time that have a different approach to things, and everyone loses a little in the process ? that?s on me, not them. I hate causing TB and the fans grief, there?s just no smooth way to act on two opposing philosophies at the same time, and that?s always been difficult for me.?

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/bumblefoot-guns-n-roses/

[D-GenerationX]

Thal then issued an official statement on the Guns N? Roses Forum website. ?Let folks know I?m not being forced, and TB [Team Brazil, the management company that manages Guns N' Roses and Rose] doesn?t need to be treated like monsters, and I ask that they not be treated like villains. It?s on me, I?ve been trying to please both sides at the same time that have a different approach to things, and everyone loses a little in the process ? that?s on me, not them. I hate causing TB and the fans grief, there?s just no smooth way to act on two opposing philosophies at the same time, and that?s always been difficult for me.?

On the one hand, this is nice.

But on the other hand, why are they getting hate mail?  Because Ron made it seem like they were the big bad monsters not allowing him to talk.

[mortismurphy]

This could go either way since I am not sure if Ron is still on the list of certified party comrades. Ron, may have been, Slashed!