Goodbye Ron (???)

[D-GenerationX]

It's a little different. Not saying there won't be any comments, but there's some differences between this and other past situations.

I was thinking more along the lines of how Axl accused Buckethead of using GNR to further his own solo career.

There has to be at least as strong a case of Ron doing the same, right?

I don't think Axl accused bucket of doing that

From what I remember that came from previous management   Kinda feeding that in the ear of Axl

It was in Axl's statement about Bucket's departure.

But years later he said that he based his opinions on the info given to him by management.

Always a fall guy.

Always.

[D-GenerationX]

While I think his comments are kind of dumb, jokes or not, one of the things I've always liked about Ron was that he speaks from the heart, rather using the standard calculated PR speak you hear from most musicians these days.  In addition to him being an incredible guitar player, that quality was the most 'GNR' thing about him IMO.  Had to argue that he's not out at this point... if so, that's too bad.   

Yeah, but he would throw it out there...then walk it back after he saw how it went over.

[GeorgeSteele]

While I think his comments are kind of dumb, jokes or not, one of the things I've always liked about Ron was that he speaks from the heart, rather using the standard calculated PR speak you hear from most musicians these days.  In addition to him being an incredible guitar player, that quality was the most 'GNR' thing about him IMO.  Had to argue that he's not out at this point... if so, that's too bad.   

Yeah, but he would throw it out there...then walk it back after he saw how it went over.

Not something I ever noticed he does regularly, not to say he doesn't... and even so, at least he's throwing something out there...

By the way, as far as the SCOM comment, if hardcore fans can say they get tired of listening to that song (you all know who you are!), I've got no big issue with him being sick of playing it for so long.

[D-GenerationX]

By the way, as far as the SCOM comment, if hardcore fans can say they get tired of listening to that song (you all know who you are!), I've got no big issue with him being sick of playing it for so long.

Yeah, look no further than that other thread, picking the songs.

'Paradise City' and 'Mr. Brownstone' are circling the drain.  Yet I'd have both tunes in my top 7 songs alltime, probably.

[GeorgeSteele]

By the way, as far as the SCOM comment, if hardcore fans can say they get tired of listening to that song (you all know who you are!), I've got no big issue with him being sick of playing it for so long.

Yeah, look no further than that other thread, picking the songs.

'Paradise City' and 'Mr. Brownstone' are circling the drain.  Yet I'd have both tunes in my top 7 songs alltime, probably.

Makes sense though, the hits are for the masses, while the deeper cuts are the songs that us fanatics feel give a closer connection to the band.  I don't think that's just a GNR-only thing.  I love PC, but given the choice, I'd rather rock out on the Nightrain, even though I understand that PC is the better song.

[Spirit]

It's a little different. Not saying there won't be any comments, but there's some differences between this and other past situations.

I was thinking more along the lines of how Axl accused Buckethead of using GNR to further his own solo career.

There has to be at least as strong a case of Ron doing the same, right?

I don't think Axl accused bucket of doing that

From what I remember that came from previous management   Kinda feeding that in the ear of Axl

It was in Axl's statement about Bucket's departure.

But years later he said that he based his opinions on the info given to him by management.

Always a fall guy.

Always.

In this particular instance Axl didn't have to retract any statement about Bucket. He was asked about him in an interview and made some remarks about the  statement about Bucket leaving. It's not like the relationship between Axl and Bucket has changed since his departure. Bucket wants nothing to do with GN'R.

It was Axl sort of setting the record straight about why he came with those remarks about Bucket.

Is it really that far fetched that Axl is speaking the truth about this?

[D-GenerationX]

In this particular instance Axl didn't have to retract any statement about Bucket. He was asked about him in an interview and made some remarks about the  statement about Bucket leaving. It's not like the relationship between Axl and Bucket has changed since his departure. Bucket wants nothing to do with GN'R.

It was Axl sort of setting the record straight about why he came with those remarks about Bucket.

Is it really that far fetched that Axl is speaking the truth about this?

Not at all.

But I sort of roll my eyes as time after time Axl is supposedly caught unaware by shit.  Tours get planned without his knowledge.  Managers lie to him.  People send out false shit with his name on it.

It sure seem to me that, after awhile, you start double checking some of this shit, no?

We'll have a great example of this coming up if there is a new album.  Axl supposedly found out after the fact that things Azoff or whatever scapegoat at the time was not giving him the straight dope on the last release.  he seemed upset by this, naturally.  I would think, having seen he was burned, he's a bit more proactive next time out. 

No one ever shot a man for asking a follow up question.

[TheBaconman]

By the way, as far as the SCOM comment, if hardcore fans can say they get tired of listening to that song (you all know who you are!), I've got no big issue with him being sick of playing it for so long.

Yeah, look no further than that other thread, picking the songs.

'Paradise City' and 'Mr. Brownstone' are circling the drain.  Yet I'd have both tunes in my top 7 songs alltime, probably.

Ya I am sick of hearing it

I don't get paid to hear it though.   If I did.  I wouldn't say anything

He got paid very well to play it.   I am sure everyone in the band would like to play new music and is tired of playing the same songs over and over again. But, don't express this publicly

If you don't like it.  Try and fix it.  If that doesn't work. Leave and shut up

Haha, but I am also the guy that wants more interviews about guns n roses from both current and past members.  Guess if I want that    I can't expect all the interviews to be possitive.   That's fine.  What I have a problem with is the cheap shots and bad jokes

[Spirit]

In this particular instance Axl didn't have to retract any statement about Bucket. He was asked about him in an interview and made some remarks about the  statement about Bucket leaving. It's not like the relationship between Axl and Bucket has changed since his departure. Bucket wants nothing to do with GN'R.

It was Axl sort of setting the record straight about why he came with those remarks about Bucket.

Is it really that far fetched that Axl is speaking the truth about this?

Not at all.

But I sort of roll my eyes as time after time Axl is supposedly caught unaware by shit.  Tours get planned without his knowledge.  Managers lie to him.  People send out false shit with his name on it.

It sure seem to me that, after awhile, you start double checking some of this shit, no?

We'll have a great example of this coming up if there is a new album.  Axl supposedly found out after the fact that things Azoff or whatever scapegoat at the time was not giving him the straight dope on the last release.  he seemed upset by this, naturally.  I would think, having seen he was burned, he's a bit more proactive next time out. 

No one ever shot a man for asking a follow up question.

Sure there are times where I've been suspicious of Axl's explanations to different issues. Some of the explanations seems rather thin.

It just seemed like you meant that Axl is creating fall guys for every wrongful action he has committed (read: always). Some of them are probably his own fault, while some are not.

[D-GenerationX]

Sure there are times where I've been suspicious of Axl's explanations to different issues. Some of the explanations seems rather thin.

It just seemed like you meant that Axl is creating fall guys for every wrongful action he has committed (read: always). Some of them are probably his own fault, while some are not.

Yeah, I'm with you.  I think that's fair.

Did anything ever get more thin than the explanation about the Euro 2001 tour (I found out about it on the internet)?

C'mon, son.

[Spirit]

Sure there are times where I've been suspicious of Axl's explanations to different issues. Some of the explanations seems rather thin.

It just seemed like you meant that Axl is creating fall guys for every wrongful action he has committed (read: always). Some of them are probably his own fault, while some are not.

Yeah, I'm with you.  I think that's fair.

Did anything ever get more thin than the explanation about the Euro 2001 tour (I found out about it on the internet)?

C'mon, son.

That is probably the best example of a thin explanation. Didn't believe that one for a second.

[Princess Leia]

While I think his comments are kind of dumb, jokes or not, one of the things I've always liked about Ron was that he speaks from the heart, rather using the standard calculated PR speak you hear from most musicians these days.  In addition to him being an incredible guitar player, that quality was the most 'GNR' thing about him IMO.  Had to argue that he's not out at this point... if so, that's too bad.   

Yeah, but he would throw it out there...then walk it back after he saw how it went over.

Not something I ever noticed he does regularly, not to say he doesn't... and even so, at least he's throwing something out there...

By the way, as far as the SCOM comment, if hardcore fans can say they get tired of listening to that song (you all know who you are!), I've got no big issue with him being sick of playing it for so long.

I?m sure there are fans tired of SCOM. But it?s a classic so they have to play it regardeless. Not only hardcore fans go to shows. You have rock fans or casual fans. Those kind of fans want to hear it. BBF and everyone in the band has to know this.

[jarmo]

Not aimed at the above poster, but the posts above that:
Focus on the topic instead of turning this to yet another Dead Horse topic about what you think you might know or what you believe is true.



/jarmo

[TheBaconman]

While I think his comments are kind of dumb, jokes or not, one of the things I've always liked about Ron was that he speaks from the heart, rather using the standard calculated PR speak you hear from most musicians these days.  In addition to him being an incredible guitar player, that quality was the most 'GNR' thing about him IMO.  Had to argue that he's not out at this point... if so, that's too bad.   

Yeah, but he would throw it out there...then walk it back after he saw how it went over.

Not something I ever noticed he does regularly, not to say he doesn't... and even so, at least he's throwing something out there...

By the way, as far as the SCOM comment, if hardcore fans can say they get tired of listening to that song (you all know who you are!), I've got no big issue with him being sick of playing it for so long.

I?m sure there are fans tired of SCOM. But it?s a classic so they have to play it regardeless. Not only hardcore fans go to shows. You have rock fans or casual fans. Those kind of fans want to hear it. BBF and everyone in the band has to know this.

Yes unless the concert was advertised as a full album concert.  Example they play the use your illusions albums back to back.   They could never drop scom from the set list.   

[Princess Leia]

Not aimed at the above poster, but the posts above that:
Focus on the topic instead of turning this to yet another Dead Horse topic about what you think you might know or what you believe is true.



/jarmo

In reality there isn?t that much. You could say that here nothing happen because BBF was joking. Or you could say he is happy he doesn?t have to play SCOM anymore. Both are valid points.

[mortismurphy]

Well he is certainly very irreverent, very flippant, about Guns. He is in a sort of comical hyperactive mood. I do not see it as overtly malicious. There is also the fact that he is plugging a solo album, and that, the show begins with an incredibly famous song/riff, written/recorded by a guitarist who will always be identified as 'Guns N' Rose's' true guitarist. That is the context of the joke/attack. That is the legacy these new band members all have to deal with every day. They have to go out and play this legacy to fans who do not really care much about their solo careers. They have never sufficiently forged a 'new gnr' identity, a 'new gnr' setlist, due to Axl's inability to release new music and challenge himself. It is not surprising that they get sick whenever Sweet Child is piped up.

You do remember the time Stinson admitted that he disliked Guns's music when he was in The Replacements, before he joined new gnr?

[jarmo]

No, I was talking about the usual "I don't believe Axl" bullshit that seems to crop up regularly.

A news report about the bike week that Ron is attending and he's described as "lead guitarist from Guns N' Roses": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQrsEvoaDrU
Making jokes (?) about one of the most popular GN'R songs and then being described as lead guitarist from said band in the media...





/jarmo

[CherryGarcia]

Bumblefoot's wishy-washy, one week in, the next week out, passive aggressive and "jokey" comments with regard to his status as a member of Guns N' Roses have been ongoing for several years now and have been unfair to both the fans, the band, management and to any plans. How are Guns N' Roses supposed to do anything - plan a tour, for example - if the lead guitarist is giving mixed signals to the press and public about his status in the band?

It's unfair to fans of Guns N' Roses as his passive-aggressive, back n' forth again comments have left many in the lurch wondering just what the fuck he's going to do? His comments the last few years, and especially in the past few months, have helped to cast doubt and uncertainty in the minds of fans about the future of the band. As you can imagine, this is not good for GN'R's publicity, nor as previously stated, it doesn't help GN'R form any concrete plans.

Bumblefoot seems to enjoy the attention he gets with his wishy-washy nature BUT also enjoys being able to use the Guns N' Roses name to promote himself as the "lead guitarist of Guns N' Roses". This man, despite his outwardly fan friendly front, is a shady character who is taking little bites at the hand which has fed him for the past decade.

Either quit, stay in the band, or shut the fuck up. Don't leave the fans wondering and worried about the future of the band because you're too much of a coward to give anyone a straight answer.

[D-GenerationX]

You do remember the time Stinson admitted that he disliked Guns's music when he was in The Replacements, before he joined new gnr?

That was a weird thing to say.  Just odd to say that publically, even if you think it.

But, while I can believe he was hardly digging on AFD back in the day, he does seemed to have jumped into this with both feet.  Seems to be having fun up on stage, and brings good energy every night.

[D-GenerationX]

Bumblefoot's wishy-washy, one week in, the next week out, passive aggressive and "jokey" comments with regard to his status as a member of Guns N' Roses have been ongoing for several years now and have been unfair to both the fans, the band, management and to any plans. How are Guns N' Roses supposed to do anything - plan a tour, for example - if the lead guitarist is giving mixed signals to the press and public about his status in the band?

It's unfair to fans of Guns N' Roses as his passive-aggressive, back n' forth again comments have left many in the lurch wondering just what the fuck he's going to do? His comments the last few years, and especially in the past few months, have helped to cast doubt and uncertainty in the minds of fans about the future of the band. As you can imagine, this is not good for GN'R's publicity, nor as previously stated, it doesn't help GN'R form any concrete plans.

Bumblefoot seems to enjoy the attention he gets with his wishy-washy nature BUT also enjoys being able to use the Guns N' Roses name to promote himself as the "lead guitarist of Guns N' Roses". This man, despite his outwardly fan friendly front, is a shady character who is taking little bites at the hand which has fed him for the past decade.

Either quit, stay in the band, or shut the fuck up. Don't leave the fans wondering and worried about the future of the band because you're too much of a coward to give anyone a straight answer.

Well said.  Hard to dispute a word of that.