Goodbye Ron (???)

[sofine11]

Also going by that logic, Scott Weiland was 100% correct in his 2006 "assessment" of Axl.  Because, you know, he started his own band and all that.  Please.  

Well no offense but I think Axl's and Scott's carreers and legacies are not really comparable...

Well now you're just splitting hairs.  C'mon, stick to your guns! 

[JAEBALL]

Also going by that logic, Scott Weiland was 100% correct in his 2006 "assessment" of Axl.  Because, you know, he started his own band and all that.  Please.  

Well no offense but I think Axl's and Scott's carreers and legacies are not really comparable...

Well this is a GNR board... we all think that... but that is just an opinion and very subjective.

[JAEBALL]

does anybody who follows this actually think the time it took to release the record was anything but Axl being on Axl time?

I certainly agree with that.

And the same will go for this next record... whatever it's called. I don't grasp how any leak would ever dictate how quick or slow the album came after the leak.

I was simply making the argument that the leaks, while unfortunate, were positively received.  Axl even said as much in one of those e-mails in a MSL data dump.

And we also know Axl was crushed when he was told he had "maybe 3 songs" when they were played for producers.

Aren't the leaks being positively received something of a lifeline?  A positive sign that he was on the right track?  Doesn't that re-invigorate you?

I guess different people react differently to different things...

But yes the boards were certainly buzzing and all positive to those songs when they were available.

[gunnersince94]

Well this is a GNR board... we all think that... but that is just an opinion and very subjective.

I'm not trying to diminish Scott here. All I'm saying is Axl went through different stuff than Scott did: Axl's band broke up, then he made a come back etc etc.

No offense here.  

[D-GenerationX]

But yes the boards were certainly buzzing and all positive to those songs when they were available.

I can't recall any other band that not only got leaks to chart, but have them reviewed in a major publication.

"Put it out, Axl.  It already sounds better than Velvet Revolver."  That was a quote from the piece.

I thought that was an amazing thing to happen.  People were ready to hop onboard.  The time was then, or soon after.

[Ginger King]

Oh snap, we got served!

I?m not sure I agree with you that CD has been doing very well ever since it was released.  It has done very well here, for sure, but in terms of relevance in the rock world, it had very little impact.

Well you know unlike some artists Axl does not need his albums to sell well, but he does want them to sound good. Chinese Democracy is good, very good so we fans don't really care what impact it has in the "rock world".

Wait, Axl doesn?t need his albums to sell well?and just how do you know that fact?  That he went in to relative obscurity after CD was released (to mixed reviews) indicates that he does care how his albums are perceived. 

We?re both (sort of) in the same place?I like CD, but I don?t let that color my judgment as to what impact it?s had outside of the forum world.  The fact that the band plays fewer and fewer CD songs on tour indicates (to me) the lack of impact CD has had on GnR concert-going fans (a broader subset of us forum nerds).

And welcome to the forum.

[sofine11]

But yes the boards were certainly buzzing and all positive to those songs when they were available.

I can't recall any other band that not only got leaks to chart, but have them reviewed in a major publication.

"Put it out, Axl.  It already sounds better than Velvet Revolver."  That was a quote from the piece.

I thought that was an amazing thing to happen.  People were ready to hop onboard.  The time was then, or soon after.

2006 was for sure the year things should've happened, from a promotion standpoint.  The band was absolutely on fire that year, the new songs were fresh.  In 2008, the label dropped the ball on heavy marketing, but the band being completely MIA certainly did not help the situation.  But let's not get into that chicken or the egg argument...

Let's just hope that we see more done on both sides to promote the hell out of the forthcoming album.

[JAEBALL]

But yes the boards were certainly buzzing and all positive to those songs when they were available.

I can't recall any other band that not only got leaks to chart, but have them reviewed in a major publication.

"Put it out, Axl.  It already sounds better than Velvet Revolver."  That was a quote from the piece.

I thought that was an amazing thing to happen.  People were ready to hop onboard.  The time was then, or soon after.

2006 was for sure the year things should've happened, from a promotion standpoint.  The band was absolutely on fire that year, the new songs were fresh.  In 2008, the label dropped the ball on heavy marketing, but the band being completely MIA certainly did not help the situation.  But let's not get into that chicken or the egg argument...

Let's just hope that we see more done on both sides to promote the hell out of the forthcoming album.

Yeah... Axl was a beast that year... Rock Am Ring... the energy he had on stage that night ...was awesome... if I would ever show a performance of Better...it would be from that night...

It seemed like every article was positive... I THINK the media liked that the band looked "more normal" without Bucket, Robin's toned down look, Axl certainly looked more bad ass too sans the sports jerseys and sweatpants...

It all started with the 4 shows at Hammerstein... I will never forget them...

I really felt like the time was RIGHT THERE.......... but at that time Ron and Frank were adding to some of the songs.... and I guess that pushed things back....

Of course the time would have been great at any point before that too..... but by 2006 and all the great performances.... It was like.... what am I missing....

[sofine11]

But yes the boards were certainly buzzing and all positive to those songs when they were available.

I can't recall any other band that not only got leaks to chart, but have them reviewed in a major publication.

"Put it out, Axl.  It already sounds better than Velvet Revolver."  That was a quote from the piece.

I thought that was an amazing thing to happen.  People were ready to hop onboard.  The time was then, or soon after.

2006 was for sure the year things should've happened, from a promotion standpoint.  The band was absolutely on fire that year, the new songs were fresh.  In 2008, the label dropped the ball on heavy marketing, but the band being completely MIA certainly did not help the situation.  But let's not get into that chicken or the egg argument...

Let's just hope that we see more done on both sides to promote the hell out of the forthcoming album.

Yeah... Axl was a beast that year... Rock Am Ring... the energy he had on stage that night ...was awesome... if I would ever show a performance of Better...it would be from that night...

It seemed like every article was positive... I THINK the media liked that the band looked "more normal" without Bucket and Robin's toned down look. Axl certainly looked more bad ass too sans the sports jerseys and sweatpants...

It all started with the 4 shows at Hammerstein... I will never forget them...

I really felt like the time was RIGHT THERE.......... but at that time Ron and Frank were adding to some of the songs.... and I guess that pushed things back....

Of course the time would have been great at any point before that too..... but by 2006 and all the great performances.... It was like.... what am I missing....

It's a toss up for me between 2002 through 2006, with the winner most certainly being 2006.  The new songs, touring the hell out of Europe and the U.S., Axl sounding literally better than ever live.  It was insane.  But 2002 had Buckethead...and well...He's just Buckethead.

Like an idiot, I was counting the Tuesdays toward the end of the year.  I didn't even feel that gutted when Axl's end of the year press release stated that wasn't happening, because his tentative release date was only a few moths away.  Alas...

[TheBaconman]

But yes the boards were certainly buzzing and all positive to those songs when they were available.

I can't recall any other band that not only got leaks to chart, but have them reviewed in a major publication.

"Put it out, Axl.  It already sounds better than Velvet Revolver."  That was a quote from the piece.

I thought that was an amazing thing to happen.  People were ready to hop onboard.  The time was then, or soon after.

2006 was for sure the year things should've happened, from a promotion standpoint.  The band was absolutely on fire that year, the new songs were fresh.  In 2008, the label dropped the ball on heavy marketing, but the band being completely MIA certainly did not help the situation.  But let's not get into that chicken or the egg argument...

Let's just hope that we see more done on both sides to promote the hell out of the forthcoming album.

Yeah... Axl was a beast that year... Rock Am Ring... the energy he had on stage that night ...was awesome... if I would ever show a performance of Better...it would be from that night...

It seemed like every article was positive... I THINK the media liked that the band looked "more normal" without Bucket and Robin's toned down look. Axl certainly looked more bad ass too sans the sports jerseys and sweatpants...

It all started with the 4 shows at Hammerstein... I will never forget them...

I really felt like the time was RIGHT THERE.......... but at that time Ron and Frank were adding to some of the songs.... and I guess that pushed things back....

Of course the time would have been great at any point before that too..... but by 2006 and all the great performances.... It was like.... what am I missing....

It's a toss up for me between 2002 through 2006, with the winner most certainly being 2006.  The new songs, touring the hell out of Europe and the U.S., Axl sounding literally better than ever live.  It was insane.  But 2002 had Buckethead...and well...He's just Buckethead.

Like an idiot, I was counting the Tuesdays toward the end of the year.  I didn't even feel that gutted when Axl's end of the year press release stated that wasn't happening, because his tentative release date was only a few moths away.  Alas...

How much different would the album of sounded without frank or ron adding in there parts?

I know shaklers would sound different, but any thing else?

Was that worth the delay?

I say nope.   

[sofine11]

But yes the boards were certainly buzzing and all positive to those songs when they were available.

I can't recall any other band that not only got leaks to chart, but have them reviewed in a major publication.

"Put it out, Axl.  It already sounds better than Velvet Revolver."  That was a quote from the piece.

I thought that was an amazing thing to happen.  People were ready to hop onboard.  The time was then, or soon after.

2006 was for sure the year things should've happened, from a promotion standpoint.  The band was absolutely on fire that year, the new songs were fresh.  In 2008, the label dropped the ball on heavy marketing, but the band being completely MIA certainly did not help the situation.  But let's not get into that chicken or the egg argument...

Let's just hope that we see more done on both sides to promote the hell out of the forthcoming album.

Yeah... Axl was a beast that year... Rock Am Ring... the energy he had on stage that night ...was awesome... if I would ever show a performance of Better...it would be from that night...

It seemed like every article was positive... I THINK the media liked that the band looked "more normal" without Bucket and Robin's toned down look. Axl certainly looked more bad ass too sans the sports jerseys and sweatpants...

It all started with the 4 shows at Hammerstein... I will never forget them...

I really felt like the time was RIGHT THERE.......... but at that time Ron and Frank were adding to some of the songs.... and I guess that pushed things back....

Of course the time would have been great at any point before that too..... but by 2006 and all the great performances.... It was like.... what am I missing....

It's a toss up for me between 2002 through 2006, with the winner most certainly being 2006.  The new songs, touring the hell out of Europe and the U.S., Axl sounding literally better than ever live.  It was insane.  But 2002 had Buckethead...and well...He's just Buckethead.

Like an idiot, I was counting the Tuesdays toward the end of the year.  I didn't even feel that gutted when Axl's end of the year press release stated that wasn't happening, because his tentative release date was only a few moths away.  Alas...

How much different would the album of sounded without frank or ron adding in there parts?

I know shaklers would sound different, but any thing else?

Was that worth the delay?

I say nope.   

I have a feeling Ron & Frank's additions aren't what delayed the album an extra two years, but if that was the case, I would agree with you that no, it was certainly not worth the delay.  But, it's Axl's album.  If he needed a fretless guitar on Chinese Democracy, who am I to see it's not needed?

But hey, now that Ron has hit the road, hopefully Axl won't feel the need to take his time pasting his fretless noodling over Bucket's (likely far superior) parts on the next album.

[D-GenerationX]

How much different would the album of sounded without frank or ron adding in there parts?

I know shaklers would sound different, but any thing else?

Was that worth the delay?

I say nope.   

I would agree.

'Catcher' would be different, but perhaps we'd still have Brian May's superior work.

Ron also added some stuff to the title track and 'I.R.S.' that I liked.

Frank has those extra drum fills at the beginning of TWAT.

[JAEBALL]

I can't help but think... Imagine a GNR tell all by Ron?

it would make some people around here lose their shit....... lol

but boy would that be entertaining

[D-GenerationX]

I can't help but think... Imagine a GNR tell all by Ron?

it would make some people around here lose their shit....... lol

but boy would that be entertaining

What would it be, a pamphlet?

[sofine11]

I can't help but think... Imagine a GNR tell all by Ron?

it would make some people around here lose their shit....... lol

but boy would that be entertaining

What would it be, a pamphlet?

Yeah, he seemed to always be the least informed member of the bunch. And I imagine it would just be depressing.

Ya know whose book I wanna read?  Robin Finck. January 1997-2008.  Dude was there while Matt and Duff were still in the band, all the way through Bumble's introduction leading up to the release of Chinese in 2008. My personal fav member of NuGNR after Axl.

[sofine11]

Hey, where's Jarmo been?  He hasn't abused us for hours.  The conversation feels oddly incomplete without being chided here and there. 

[Ja5oN]

I think Dizzy's book would be even better.
I'm sure there has to be a nondisclosure agreement somewhere in the legal papers of GNR though.

[sofine11]

I think Dizzy's book would be even better.
I'm sure there has to be a nondisclosure agreement somewhere in the legal papers of GNR though.

Dizzy doesn't really strike me as the "book writing" type.  Then again, if Steven Adler can do it...

[D-GenerationX]

'I Do What I'm Told : The Dizzy Reed Story'

[Ginger King]

How much different would the album of sounded without frank or ron adding in there parts?

I know shaklers would sound different, but any thing else?

Was that worth the delay?

I say nope.   

I would agree.

'Catcher' would be different, but perhaps we'd still have Brian May's superior work.

Ron also added some stuff to the title track and 'I.R.S.' that I liked.

Frank has those extra drum fills at the beginning of TWAT.

The second I heard they messed with Brian's work on Catcher, I knew the crazy was creeping in.  I mean, come on, he's a guitar god (and what he did is much better than the end result, IMO).