Goodbye Ron (???)

[mortismurphy]

Guns N' Roses hasn't "jammed" on songs since possibly before Appetite For Destruction came out.

There's other ways you can write songs, without the whole band present in the same room. That's how GN'R works, and has worked for quite some time.

Go back and listen to that Richard Q& A if you don't believe me.



/jarmo

Guns N' Roses has only released only one album since Illusion also haha. Maybe Axl should revert to how he made Appetite because his current method of working certainly does not function.

[jarmo]

The Illusions were made that same way of people writing mostly separately.

Nice try.


/jarmo

[EmilyGNR]

'Jamming' tends to be, what bands do. If you do not jam; if you do not write (in some sort of guise); if you do not release albums; if you do not do at least one, or more, of these three things, then that does not leave much else to justify a band's existence without appending 'covers act' or 'revival act' to the name. I think we can forgive Ron Thal, this, presumptuousness. Obviously he was not aware how messed up an operation, new guns are - similarly, Buckethead.

You are full of shit, pure and simple. You have zero idea what you are talking about.

Stop trying to pretend that you are some sort of authority on how bands operate, you arent fooling anyone and nobody asked for your amateur advice.

[EmilyGNR]

The Illusions were made that same way of people writing mostly separately.

Nice try.


/jarmo

I'm  more convinced with each post he makes how clueless he really is and how badly he has a need to criticise, argue, and whine.

[mortismurphy]

The Illusions were made that same way of people writing mostly separately.

Nice try.


/jarmo

A lot of the album was writen before Appetite was recorded, so what you say cannot be true either.

[jarmo]

A lot of the album was writen before Appetite was recorded, so what you say cannot be true either.

I'm just going with what we know. Axl had his songs, Izzy had his, Duff had his, Slash had his.

Also, some songs existed before GN'R. So it's hard for those guys to jam and come up with a a song that was already written before they even started playing together. 




/jarmo

[mortismurphy]

Yes, you are right. They wrote songs in a lot of different combinations, solo, duo, band. But can you really criticise Thal for assuming a rock n' roll band such as Guns jam - maybe even without Axl. In the old band there was nothing stopping Stradlin writing multiple solo songs and bringing them in, or the other guys crafting songs. Slash, Duff and Adler did a lot of work in the Chicago Illusion sessions, the sessions Axl didn't bother turning up for; he turned up two weeks late and merely trashed the place.

[jarmo]

He's free to assume anything. But is there need to air it publicly? Especially when other band members say something different...
Everybody has their preferred way of working, obviously. But to come in into somebody else's band and start assuming things.... You might get disappointed.



/jarmo

[EmilyGNR]

[Slash] also enthuses about the new material Guns N' Roses have been writing. Apperently, the band members are currently trading tapes amongst themselves [before the actual recording sessions]. "It's amazing stuff," he says." (Slash, Kerrang, 09/21/96)

"The majority of things are done on the phone, until we actually get in the studio. A lot of things over the phone and sending tapes back and forth. And we've done this for years." (Axl, Rockline, 01/03/94)

[Princess Leia]

Yes, you are right. They wrote songs in a lot of different combinations, solo, duo, band. But can you really criticise Thal for assuming a rock n' roll band such as Guns jam - maybe even without Axl. In the old band there was nothing stopping Stradlin writing multiple solo songs and bringing them in, or the other guys crafting songs. Slash, Duff and Adler did a lot of work in the Chicago Illusion sessions, the sessions Axl didn't bother turning up for; he turned up two weeks late and merely trashed the place.

You?re right. And it?s a shame GN?R operates the way they do. But also keep in mind that Ron joined in 2006 or earlier. He had plenty of time an opportunities to figure out that his assumtions were wrong. He was there when Robin left. Maybe he should?ve left at that time too. Instead he was time after time complaning. I can understand complaning once. But if he all he accomplished was deaf ears he had to see that he needed to change his strategy. He hasn?t been a happy camper for a long time.

[EmilyGNR]

Yes, you are right. They wrote songs in a lot of different combinations, solo, duo, band. But can you really criticise Thal for assuming a rock n' roll band such as Guns jam - maybe even without Axl. In the old band there was nothing stopping Stradlin writing multiple solo songs and bringing them in, or the other guys crafting songs. Slash, Duff and Adler did a lot of work in the Chicago Illusion sessions, the sessions Axl didn't bother turning up for; he turned up two weeks late and merely trashed the place.

You?re right. And it?s a shame GN?R operates the way they do. But also keep in mind that Ron joined in 2006 or earlier. He had plenty of time an opportunities to figure out that his assumtions were wrong. He was there when Robin left. Maybe he should?ve left at that time too. Instead he was time after time complaning. I can understand complaning once. But if he all he accomplished was deaf ears he had to see that he needed to change his strategy. He hasn?t been a happy camper for a long time.

"Moaning Mortis" says anything to trash GNR and further his negative agenda and narrative, he isn't nearly as knowledgeable nor clever as he desperately needs others to think-

"[In Chicago] Slash and Duff McKagan managed to combine a daily half-gallon of Stolichnaya vodka with an unlikely interest in weightlifting. This wasn't going well.
Still, Chicago wasn't a total flop. The seeds of a few songs emerged, notably Bad Apples, Garden Of Eden and Estranged, with Axl pounding the rehearsal-room piano and Slash wringing rich vibrato from long, hanging notes"

http://www.musicradar.com/us/news/guitars/the-story-of-guns-n-roses-use-your-illusion-i-ii-496629

Besides, without Chicago we wouldn't have "The Spaghetti Incident" as a title-
http://rulefortytwo.com/secret-rock-knowledge/chapter-3/the-spaghetti-incident/
 

That said, I tend to agree that Ron was well aware of the terms that he agreed to when he signed on, it was extremely unrealistic as well as naive of him to even entertain the idea that a established band like GNR would completely alter the accepted method in which songs were written, as well as cater to his publishing desires.

Wonder how Weiland feels about Ron right now?

[reayj2003]

Jarmo you've toured with Ron many times. Do you consider him a friend? Having been on the last tour you must have some idea as to his status in the band. My hunch is the fact you allow this thread to continue indicates he has indeed left.

[jarmo]

All those shows last year seemed like regular shows to me.

I can only go by what I've read and seen. I saw his countdown on Twitter, the interviews, the removal of GN'R mentions from his social media sites.
Judging by all that, he doesn't seem to consider himself part of GN'R anymore. Is that only for now or forever? I don't know.



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

You?re right. And it?s a shame GN?R operates the way they do. But also keep in mind that Ron joined in 2006 or earlier. He had plenty of time an opportunities to figure out that his assumtions were wrong. He was there when Robin left. Maybe he should?ve left at that time too. Instead he was time after time complaning. I can understand complaning once. But if he all he accomplished was deaf ears he had to see that he needed to change his strategy. He hasn?t been a happy camper for a long time.

I think he was just naive enough to think it would change.

Like every coach that's taken on a problem player with a horrendous reputation.  They all think they will be the guy to reach him.

[D-GenerationX]

I can only go by what I've read and seen. I saw his countdown on Twitter, the interviews, the removal of GN'R mentions from his social media sites.
Judging by all that, he doesn't seem to consider himself part of GN'R anymore. Is that only for now or forever? I don't know.

I think you have to ask what entices him back.

Is it another album of songs he was not involved in creatively, and only barely even appears on them?

That's why I think he's gone.  Even if this album does come out, its at least several years after that to get to something the guys actually on the stage have done.  And with so little being done on that front anyway, its hard to see a silver lining, if you are him.

[JAEBALL]

I can only go by what I've read and seen. I saw his countdown on Twitter, the interviews, the removal of GN'R mentions from his social media sites.
Judging by all that, he doesn't seem to consider himself part of GN'R anymore. Is that only for now or forever? I don't know.

I think you have to ask what entices him back.

Is it another album of songs he was not involved in creatively, and only barely even appears on them?

That's why I think he's gone.  Even if this album does come out, its at least several years after that to get to something the guys actually on the stage have done.  And with so little being done on that front anyway, its hard to see a silver lining, if you are him.

Could you imagine the hate Ron would be getting right now if he actually said something bad about Axl or GNR ? (if he has, it wasn't publically)

He's never getting on stage with Axl again... I have thought that from the beginning of this speculation, and this thread is my most glaring piece of proof.

Another one bites the dust. 

[D-GenerationX]

Could you imagine the hate Ron would be getting right now if he actually said something bad about Axl or GNR ? (if he has, it wasn't publically)

He's never getting on stage with Axl again... I have thought that from the beginning of this speculation, and this thread is my most glaring piece of proof.

Another one bites the dust. 

Its the reaction to it that's telling.

We are so de-sensitized to it, we just shrug and ask who the next guy will be.

No connection.  No attachment.  No lamenting he's gone. 

[JAEBALL]

Could you imagine the hate Ron would be getting right now if he actually said something bad about Axl or GNR ? (if he has, it wasn't publically)

He's never getting on stage with Axl again... I have thought that from the beginning of this speculation, and this thread is my most glaring piece of proof.

Another one bites the dust. 

Its the reaction to it that's telling.

We are so de-sensitized to it, we just shrug and ask who the next guy will be.

No connection.  No attachment.  No lamenting he's gone. 

People don't care who is in the band... but don't you dare question if this is a band , who really is in the band or if this is a touring band... Cuz that gets people mad.

I wish it wasn't like that... the band, post Illusion split could have forged their own identity if the albums had come out in time and Bucket, Brain and Robin didn't bail.

And the next record being their record doesn't help any of these arguments... but it's all semantics now... if the songs are good, and I'm sure they are... that's all you can hope for at this point.
 
I have no personal attachment to Ron, but I am not going to bash him just because he's a former player now...  I was hoping against hope tho that he would come back just for the sake of continuity !

[w.david rose]

Well said

[jarmo]

Yes, it's a touring band. They toured the world! It's a fact, they really did. If you wanna give them credit for it by labeling them a touring band, go ahead. The keyword is, band.

What is this touring band nonsense anyway? Yeah, bands tour. Sometimes members who tour with bands leave. sometimes they record. Sometimes bands split up. Sometimes members leave during a tour.

There's absolutely no guarantee that the band in any era would've stayed together longer even if your idea of the perfect execution of events had happened. It's life.
For example, Brain had a child and stopped touring. What's the band supposed to do?



/jarmo