Goodbye Ron (???)

[D-GenerationX]

If band members never mentioned 2015, if their words have been nothing but hopefully soon. Why should I believe that 2015 is a sure thing and blame some new guy if we don?t have the album this year?

You won't.

The blame will lie with the same guy it has the entire time.  The only one with any real say.

There isnt realistically any "blame" at all, only "fans" with serious entitlement issues have some sort of "blame" to assign.

"Nobody owes you, not one goddamned thing" 

Its just a statement of fact.  

There is only one person in this entire operation with any sort of say that actually matters.

That you see value sitting on your hands and looking down at all times, lest, god forbid, have an uncomfortable conversation, isn't my concern.

[D-GenerationX]

If band members never mentioned 2015, if their words have been nothing but hopefully soon. Why should I believe that 2015 is a sure thing and blame some new guy if we don?t have the album this year?

You won't.

The blame will lie with the same guy it has the entire time.  The only one with any real say.

There isnt realistically any "blame" at all, only "fans" with serious entitlement issues have some sort of "blame" to assign.

"Nobody owes you, not one goddamned thing" 

Look I get it... you cant understand how some people could possible the one and only W. Axl Rose...

But truthfully... you copy and paste these posts ? 

She might as well.

Couldn't any one of us post under her account and no one be the wiser?  We know all the talking points.

[JAEBALL]

But how could the album go off to the mixing and mastering stage if their parts were still being recorded? Brain also said numerous times that his drum tracks were essentially done around 2001, so there had to have been a delay or holdup somewhere along the line so that Frank could contribute to the album. Similarly, one of the holdups for the new album is probably DJ adding contributions to whatever was previously recorded by the Buckethead/Robin/Paul era of Guns'.

You're assuming the thinking is like "let's hold up the release an add these guitar parts" while I think it was probably something like "ok, so the album isn't gonna be out as soon as hoped, we have time to add these guitar parts"...



/jarmo

That is definitely giving the benefit of doubt... which is fine...

But in the past it was strongly insinuated that Bucket and Robins "untimely" departures were seen as big obstacles in touring and releasing songs, videos etc.

Maybe I read that wrong at those times, but it sure did feel that way.

[D-GenerationX]

That is definitely giving the benefit of doubt... which is fine...

But in the past it was strongly insinuated that Bucket and Robins "untimely" departures were seen as big obstacles in touring and releasing songs, videos etc.

Maybe I read that wrong at those times, but it sure did feel that way.

It's exactly how it read.

[Princess Leia]

If band members never mentioned 2015, if their words have been nothing but hopefully soon. Why should I believe that 2015 is a sure thing and blame some new guy if we don?t have the album this year?

You won't.

The blame will lie with the same guy it has the entire time.  The only one with any real say.

There isnt realistically any "blame" at all, only "fans" with serious entitlement issues have some sort of "blame" to assign.

"Nobody owes you, not one goddamned thing" 

Look I get it... you cant understand how some people could possibly question the one and only W. Axl Rose...

But truthfully... you copy and paste these posts ? 

Question Axl about what? He hasn?t said a word about a new album coming this year. And even if he says something there is no guarentee of anything.

[JAEBALL]

If band members never mentioned 2015, if their words have been nothing but hopefully soon. Why should I believe that 2015 is a sure thing and blame some new guy if we don?t have the album this year?

You won't.

The blame will lie with the same guy it has the entire time.  The only one with any real say.

There isnt realistically any "blame" at all, only "fans" with serious entitlement issues have some sort of "blame" to assign.

"Nobody owes you, not one goddamned thing" 

Look I get it... you cant understand how some people could possibly question the one and only W. Axl Rose...

But truthfully... you copy and paste these posts ? 

Question Axl about what? He hasn?t said a word about a new album coming this year. And even if he says something there is no guarentee of anything.

I didn't mean it so literally. Just the idea of questioning or not supporting the operation to the fullest is very offensive to some.

[D-GenerationX]

I didn't mean it so literally. Just the idea of questioning or not supporting the operation to the fullest is very offensive to some.

It's a declaration of war, to hear some tell it.

[Princess Leia]

That?s not the issue here. We don?t have any oficial announcement about a new album this year. I don?t understand why people are so sure we?re going to have it.

And it?s silly to blame it on someone?s departure or  somenone?s new arrival because we?ve never been told by Axl that we will have an album in 2015.

[EmilyGNR]

If band members never mentioned 2015, if their words have been nothing but hopefully soon. Why should I believe that 2015 is a sure thing and blame some new guy if we don?t have the album this year?

You won't.

The blame will lie with the same guy it has the entire time.  The only one with any real say.

There isnt realistically any "blame" at all, only "fans" with serious entitlement issues have some sort of "blame" to assign.

"Nobody owes you, not one goddamned thing" 

Look I get it... you cant understand how some people could possibly question the one and only W. Axl Rose...

But truthfully... you copy and paste these posts ? 

Nope, do you copy paste your constant moaning and whining about damn near everything imaginable?

Sure sounds regurgitated to me.

There is NO release date for a GNR Album yet, so I fail to see how some people can determine it is late, or assign some sort of imaginary blame. It is insane.

[D-GenerationX]

That?s not the issue here. We don?t have any oficial announcement about a new album this year. I don?t understand why people are so sure we?re going to have it.

And it?s silly to blame it on someone?s departure or  somenone?s new arrival because we?ve never been told by Axl that we will have an album in 2015.

Well, we are obviously speculating.  But only doing so based on what we've been told.  Its not like we're just making shit up.

If you spend an entire year "seriously taking a look at things in that regard", only to not do it and just go back on tour to play another round of "Democratic Appetite For Chinese Destruction"...well, you looked at it and decided not to do it.

I think a lot of us are hoping that's not how it goes.  And if we are operating under the premise this is a viable operation and a serious band, a release is what would happen.

[EmilyGNR]

If band members never mentioned 2015, if their words have been nothing but hopefully soon. Why should I believe that 2015 is a sure thing and blame some new guy if we don?t have the album this year?

You won't.

The blame will lie with the same guy it has the entire time.  The only one with any real say.

There isnt realistically any "blame" at all, only "fans" with serious entitlement issues have some sort of "blame" to assign.

"Nobody owes you, not one goddamned thing" 

Look I get it... you cant understand how some people could possible the one and only W. Axl Rose...

But truthfully... you copy and paste these posts ? 

She might as well.

Couldn't any one of us post under her account and no one be the wiser?  We know all the talking points.

And I could easily post as you, if I simply lowered my IQ, developed entitlement issues, constanly focused on myself, and attempted to validate my incomplete little life online with a butthurt agenda, as well as attempting and pretending to be a consummate expert on everything from music production to every aspect of the music business and human nature.

Laughable.

[D-GenerationX]

And I could easily post as you, if I simply lowered my IQ, developed entitlement issues, constanly focused on myself, and attempted to validate my incomplete little life online with a butthurt agenda.

You couldn't handle the volume, babe.

[EmilyGNR]

And I could easily post as you, if I simply lowered my IQ, developed entitlement issues, constanly focused on myself, and attempted to validate my incomplete little life online with a butthurt agenda.

You couldn't handle the volume, babe.

Dont flatter yourself, you  dont know me or anything about me.

[JAEBALL]

If band members never mentioned 2015, if their words have been nothing but hopefully soon. Why should I believe that 2015 is a sure thing and blame some new guy if we don?t have the album this year?

You won't.

The blame will lie with the same guy it has the entire time.  The only one with any real say.

There isnt realistically any "blame" at all, only "fans" with serious entitlement issues have some sort of "blame" to assign.

"Nobody owes you, not one goddamned thing" 

Look I get it... you cant understand how some people could possibly question the one and only W. Axl Rose...

But truthfully... you copy and paste these posts ? 

Nope, do you copy paste your constant moaning and whining about damn near everything imaginable?

Sure sounds regurgitated to me.

There is NO release date for a GNR Album yet, so I fail to see how some people can determine it is late, or assign some sort of imaginary blame. It is insane.

I don't repeat anything, I am discussing all things related to the band and the people who have been a part of it over the past 25 years.

I don't come here on a daily basis to talk about entitlement issues and whiners in every freaking single one of my posts.

ANYONE who has followed this band knows about the endless list of guitar players who have quit/moved on and it's very easy to see why one would worry Ron leaving could also further delay the next record. I am sorry that seems too difficult a concept to grasp.

I don't care for other posters who really complain about certain things either, I even suggested one look for something else to do... Just try contributing to the discussion instead of the same horsesehit how people have little lives on the internet with entitlement issues. Who are you to judge anybody?

[EmilyGNR]

If band members never mentioned 2015, if their words have been nothing but hopefully soon. Why should I believe that 2015 is a sure thing and blame some new guy if we don?t have the album this year?

You won't.

The blame will lie with the same guy it has the entire time.  The only one with any real say.

There isnt realistically any "blame" at all, only "fans" with serious entitlement issues have some sort of "blame" to assign.

"Nobody owes you, not one goddamned thing" 

Look I get it... you cant understand how some people could possibly question the one and only W. Axl Rose...

But truthfully... you copy and paste these posts ? 

Nope, do you copy paste your constant moaning and whining about damn near everything imaginable?

Sure sounds regurgitated to me.

There is NO release date for a GNR Album yet, so I fail to see how some people can determine it is late, or assign some sort of imaginary blame. It is insane.

I don't repeat anything, I am discussing all things related to the band and the people who have been a part of it over the past 25 years.

I don't come here on a daily basis to talk about entitlement issues and whiners in every freaking single one of my posts.

ANYONE who has followed this band knows about the endless list of guitar players who have quit/moved on and it's very easy to see why one would worry Ron leaving could also further delay the next record. I am sorry that seems too difficult a concept to grasp.

If you wouldnt constantly whine and operate under mistaken entitlement issues, I wouldnt have to mention that nobody promised you a rose garden.

The release date of the next GNR album has not been announced, so how can you think that it is delayed?

Actually the number of musicians has not been endless, so that is an exaggeration on your part.

I'm not going anywhere, to hell with your suggestions.

"Why must you find another reason to cryyyy" 

[D-GenerationX]

ANYONE who has followed this band knows about the endless list of guitar players who have quit/moved on and it's very easy to see why one would worry Ron leaving could also further delay the next record. I am sorry that seems too difficult a concept to grasp.

You just go sit quietly in the corner, mister.  Silence is golden.

Its an obvious concern.  The history is what it is.  This band never seems to miss an opportunity for a scapegoat for inactivity.

[EmilyGNR]

ANYONE who has followed this band knows about the endless list of guitar players who have quit/moved on and it's very easy to see why one would worry Ron leaving could also further delay the next record. I am sorry that seems too difficult a concept to grasp.

You just go sit quietly in the corner, mister.  Silence is golden.

Its an obvious concern.  The history is what it is.  This band never seems to miss an opportunity for a scapegoat for inactivity.

No excuse is needed.

Poor you, the band doesn't operate on your expected schedule.

Boo hoo.

[D-GenerationX]

ANYONE who has followed this band knows about the endless list of guitar players who have quit/moved on and it's very easy to see why one would worry Ron leaving could also further delay the next record. I am sorry that seems too difficult a concept to grasp.

You just go sit quietly in the corner, mister.  Silence is golden.

Its an obvious concern.  The history is what it is.  This band never seems to miss an opportunity for a scapegoat for inactivity.

No excuse is needed.

Poor you, the band doesn't operate on your expected schedule.

Boo hoo.

And that might be relevant, if that was something I said.  But since I didn't, it ain't.

The reality is that there aren't a lot of examples of them saying that despite <insert setback here> all systems are still go and it won't slow us down.

It goes the other way, typically.

[EmilyGNR]

ANYONE who has followed this band knows about the endless list of guitar players who have quit/moved on and it's very easy to see why one would worry Ron leaving could also further delay the next record. I am sorry that seems too difficult a concept to grasp.

You just go sit quietly in the corner, mister.  Silence is golden.

Its an obvious concern.  The history is what it is.  This band never seems to miss an opportunity for a scapegoat for inactivity.

No excuse is needed.

Poor you, the band doesn't operate on your expected schedule.

Boo hoo.

And that might be relevant, if that was something I said.  But since I didn't, it ain't.

The reality is that there aren't a lot of examples of them saying that despite <insert setback here> all systems are still go and it won't slow us down.

It goes the other way, typically.

There is no release date set, period. That is a fact. That is reality. How can something be delayed if it has NO release date?

[D-GenerationX]

There is no release date set, period. That is a fact. That is reality. How can something be delayed if it has NO release date?

Who has said there was?  Has that happened somewhere?

What is being said is that is not only outside the realm of possibility, but actually very likely, that the next time they are asked where things stand, the answer will be that everything got cocked up when Ron left.

Look at the history.  It supports it.