Goodbye Ron (???)

[mortismurphy]

Only Guns N' Roses and their propagandists would think, keeping the fan base in complete ignorance and confusion, is a 'good' thing. 

[jarmo]

You want me to speculate?  Fine, I'll speculate.

I think the guy is gone.  I think he got tired of sitting on his ass for 8 years and making zero progress creatively as a band, so he bounced.

I think the reason nothing is said is that they still hope by the time they get their asses back in gear, Ron will take the money and come back because its so obviously the best payday he will ever have, they are betting he will shelve his objections in exchange for a check.

That's my speculation.  They won't say he's in the band right now, because right now, he ain't.

So you're assuming they made no progress creatively with him?
Judging by interviews, something has happened. But apparently it didn't involve him.

Now the idea that the band should all be in a room together to write isn't how GN'R has operated in decades.

Only Guns N' Roses and their propagandists would think, keeping the fan base in complete ignorance and confusion, is a 'good' thing. 

The band has not said a single word on the matter. Be careful where you point your fingers. It makes you look less objective.




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

So you're assuming they made no progress creatively with him?

Yes, I am.  Guy tells me they've yet to work on a song in 8 years, I don't take that to mean there has been an explosion of creativity.

Judging by interviews, something has happened. But apparently it didn't involve him.

Yeah, what's up there?

If that's the case, they guy is almost certainly gone.  Who sticks around when its made very clear how little they think of you?

Now the idea that the band should all be in a room together to write isn't how GN'R has operated in decades.

The only one that ever trots this one out is you.  So you can then "debunk" it. 

It's white noise at this point.

[mortismurphy]

The band has not said a single word on the matter. Be careful where you point your fingers. It makes you look less objective.

Well presumably you think it is a good thing as you are defending the policy!

As for the band, I can only guess they consider this the correct way to progress or they would be doing the opposite!

[FunkyMonkey]

Clear things up?

Like this would clear things up: We don't know at the moment, when we have a tour, we will look at it then.

Really? 

/jarmo

You said yourself "GN'R knows what's going on."  If it's bad news, then it's bad news.  A little communication would help clear things up.  Really.

[D-GenerationX]

Clear things up?

Like this would clear things up: We don't know at the moment, when we have a tour, we will look at it then.

Really? 

/jarmo

You said yourself "GN'R knows what's going on."  If it's bad news, then it's bad news.  A little communication would help clear things up.  Really.

Not to shit on the guy, but is this earth shattering news?

If word of this got out, are people going to stop following the band?  Unless Axl leaves, aren't we all going to roll with it?

[mortismurphy]

Waits for the inevitable post about ''needs'' and ''entitlement issues'' from a certain poster!!

[The Wight Gunner]

Waits for the inevitable post about ''needs'' and ''entitlement issues'' from a certain poster!!

What if there is no news to speak of? Surely they (TB or whoever) would have nothing to say.... which is what we have now 

[D-GenerationX]

Waits for the inevitable post about ''needs'' and ''entitlement issues'' from a certain poster!!

What if there is no news to speak of? Surely they (TB or whoever) would have nothing to say.... which is what we have now 

Would you agree its a conscious decision to not say anything?

Unless Team Brazil is totally and completely inept, they know this talk is out there.  Not clarifying it is a decision they have made.

When there are reports that an artist died, there is always a correction, right?  Usually fairly soon?  Should those people not say anything?  Should they take the position that if he really was dead, they would have said something? 

[jarmo]

Yeah, what's up there?

If that's the case, they guy is almost certainly gone.  Who sticks around when its made very clear how little they think of you?

I think there's a difference between "we haven't worked all together in the same room at the same time" and what actually has happened.
One person seems to prefer that way while others work in other ways.

The only one that ever trots this one out is you.  So you can then "debunk" it. 

It's white noise at this point.

Wait, what?
Are you saying you know how GN'R works regarding songwriting and it differs from what I said?






/jarmo

[mortismurphy]

Waits for the inevitable post about ''needs'' and ''entitlement issues'' from a certain poster!!

What if there is no news to speak of? Surely they (TB or whoever) would have nothing to say.... which is what we have now 

Yes, nothing much is happening anyway so who cares whether he is in or not. It is currently a rather moot point.

The band are on 'hiatus'! 'Hiatuses' by the way are what GN'R releases instead of studio albums.

[D-GenerationX]

The only one that ever trots this one out is you.  So you can then "debunk" it. 

It's white noise at this point.

Wait, what?
Are you saying you know how GN'R works regarding songwriting and it differs from what I said?

Umm...no.

I'm saying that no one had made the "they should all be in one room!!" insistence, in actual fact.  The only time that is ever uttered is by you, insisting that is what people are saying.

What is actually happening is people asking how the bloody hell not one song was worked on in 8 years.  In a room, in a studio, backstage, any damn where.  8 years, dude.  Pretty lame.

You swoop in with your trusty "there are other ways to do it then all sitting in one room, you know" as just another step in your never ending quest to assure us that all is well and there is nothing to see here.

Because once we try and pretend the argument is about all being in a room versus some other way, we have re-directed the conversation away from how this band has not accomplished anything in over 2,000 calendar days, which seems to be how you like it.

It fools no one.

[jarmo]

I'm saying that no one had made the "they should all be in one room!!" insistence, in actual fact.  The only time that is ever uttered is by you, insisting that is what people are saying.

Yes, to point out that it's not how GN'R work. Ron seems to prefer that way of working and has pointed out that it hasn't happened since he joined.
In reality, it probably hasn't happened since before Appetite was released...

What is actually happening is people asking how the bloody hell not one song was worked on in 8 years.  In a room, in a studio, backstage, any damn where.  8 years, dude.  Pretty lame.

If that's the case, these people need to rephrase their wording to something like "why didn't the band work the way Ron wanted"?. The answer is: Because that's not how GN'R works! Very simple.

how this band has not accomplished anything in over 2,000 calendar days, which seems to be how you like it.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Your constant need to find things to complain about. Even to the point where you'll make up shit.
Do you just type that kind of horseshit to get a reaction?

Why don't you just move on until they accomplish something that makes your day to day life as a so called GN'R fan less fucking miserable. Pardon my French.



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Why don't you just move on until they accomplish something that makes your day to day life as a so called GN'R fan less fucking miserable. Pardon my French.

Why would I do that?  They are "starting to seriously take a look at things in that regard."

Things are looking up.

[jarmo]

According to you, the band that isn't GN'R haven't accomplished anything in the past five years.

The real super fan is showing his true colors. No wonder you're here, it's more fun when you get attention than being yet another person in a crowd. 


/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

According to you, the band that isn't GN'R haven't accomplished anything in the past five years.

Creatively?  No, they have not.  Unless they are all lying to set up the big reveal.

And I believe I said 8, not 5.  Accuracy is important.

[jarmo]

According to you, the band that isn't GN'R haven't accomplished anything in the past five years.

Creatively?  No, they have not.  Unless they are all lying to set up the big reveal.

And I believe I said 8, not 5.  Accuracy is important.

You said anything.

Isn't 2000 days about 5.5 years?




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Isn't 2000 days about 5.5 years?

365 days over 8 years.  2000 days is actually light.

[jarmo]

Isn't 2000 days about 5.5 years?

365 days over 8 years.  2000 days is actually light.

Eight years would be closer to 2900 days.

Saying 2000 days and meaning eight years doesn't make a lot of sense. Like most of your posts.... So in that way, it makes sense!




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Isn't 2000 days about 5.5 years?

365 days over 8 years.  2000 days is actually light.

Eight years would be closer to 2900 days.

Saying 2000 days and meaning eight years doesn't make a lot of sense. Like most of your posts.... So in that way, it makes sense!

This was the quote :

...not accomplished anything in over 2,000 calendar days...

That's OVER 2,000 days, detective.

But...are we really arguing about this?  Really, guy?  Is this going to be the latest thing now? 

This is "all in the same room" all over again.  Let's not talk prolonged inactivity.  Let's talk how you can't proofread or do math.  Let's do 2 pages on it, actually.

Misdirection.  Not interested.