Belo Horizonte, MG, Brazil, March 22, 2014 updates

[D-GenerationX]

Damn!

Guess you better pee beforehand, huh?

[Ali]

I still think it's a lot of judgment over a pretty brief clip. And, regardless of the year, camera phones do not capture sound well. Sorry, but it's true - if you think you're getting a full range of frequency response from those recordings, you're crazy. Even listening to the recording in question, it's hard to argue that the sound quality is good - it's really not. So, it may not be the best vocal moment of the tour, but I sincerely don't think it sounded like that in the room, and that's a fact whether the performance is good or bad, 2006 or 2014.

Agreed on all counts.

In all fairness, Ali, you also tell me my soundboard recording of a November 2012 show can't be trusted either.

No, I never said that.  That's just your creative reinterpretation of what I said.

Ali

[rebelhipi]

I am a reader not a poster on here but this thread has got me so annoyed I have to add my two pence worth. Why don't you bitchers and moaners just F... off.
You obviously don't love the band for who they are........The best band on the planet. If you don't agree follow someone else.
I have been lucky enough to see them four times live and have loved EVERY SINGLE MINUTE of every gig and didn't want any of them to finish. I am lucky enough to be going to see them in Vegas in June and it will be the highlight of my year WITHOUT DOUBT.
I'm just so glad I found Guns n Roses gigs before they stopped performing. No other bands I see live have their energy or presence..........without exception
Rant over
Phil

I wont be as diplomatic.... Phil... fuck off urself ... myself and Dx who are the two posters in this thread who have been "bitching and complaining" ..we are never disrespectful to anybody here

I did not take time to read the rest but that sentence does not really work doesn't it

[JAEBALL]

I am a reader not a poster on here but this thread has got me so annoyed I have to add my two pence worth. Why don't you bitchers and moaners just F... off.
You obviously don't love the band for who they are........The best band on the planet. If you don't agree follow someone else.
I have been lucky enough to see them four times live and have loved EVERY SINGLE MINUTE of every gig and didn't want any of them to finish. I am lucky enough to be going to see them in Vegas in June and it will be the highlight of my year WITHOUT DOUBT.
I'm just so glad I found Guns n Roses gigs before they stopped performing. No other bands I see live have their energy or presence..........without exception
Rant over
Phil

I wont be as diplomatic.... Phil... fuck off urself ... myself and Dx who are the two posters in this thread who have been "bitching and complaining" ..we are never disrespectful to anybody here

I did not take time to read the rest but that sentence does not really work doesn't it

well i wont show somebody respect who just comes here ranting and raving curses at people

i dont do that to the people i think are off their rocker ... dont speak to people that way

[D-GenerationX]

I still think it's a lot of judgment over a pretty brief clip. And, regardless of the year, camera phones do not capture sound well. Sorry, but it's true - if you think you're getting a full range of frequency response from those recordings, you're crazy. Even listening to the recording in question, it's hard to argue that the sound quality is good - it's really not. So, it may not be the best vocal moment of the tour, but I sincerely don't think it sounded like that in the room, and that's a fact whether the performance is good or bad, 2006 or 2014.

Agreed on all counts.

In all fairness, Ali, you also tell me my soundboard recording of a November 2012 show can't be trusted either.

No, I never said that.  That's just your creative reinterpretation of what I said.

Then let's clear the air.

I find the soundboard recording of the 11.09.2012 to show Axl in poor voice.  'There Was A Time' probably being the most egregious example.

Am I unqualified to make that statement, as you see it, due to my lack of a ticket stub?

[Ali]

I still think it's a lot of judgment over a pretty brief clip. And, regardless of the year, camera phones do not capture sound well. Sorry, but it's true - if you think you're getting a full range of frequency response from those recordings, you're crazy. Even listening to the recording in question, it's hard to argue that the sound quality is good - it's really not. So, it may not be the best vocal moment of the tour, but I sincerely don't think it sounded like that in the room, and that's a fact whether the performance is good or bad, 2006 or 2014.

Agreed on all counts.

In all fairness, Ali, you also tell me my soundboard recording of a November 2012 show can't be trusted either.

No, I never said that.  That's just your creative reinterpretation of what I said.

Then let's clear the air.

I find the soundboard recording of the 11.09.2012 to show Axl in poor voice.  'There Was A Time' probably being the most egregious example.

Am I unqualified to make that statement, as you see it?

No, I never said that.  I said if you think that show is representative of the show that occurred two weeks later that was filmed for the video release, that assumption is flawed because performances can vary night to night, especially when your body is your instrument (IMO).

On a separate note, I also believe that taking one or two recordings from the audience, either clips or full songs, and saying that is representative of the entire show is also a problematic and flawed extrapolation, IMO.

Ali

[D-GenerationX]

Then let's clear the air.

I find the soundboard recording of the 11.09.2012 to show Axl in poor voice.  'There Was A Time' probably being the most egregious example.

Am I unqualified to make that statement, as you see it?

No, I never said that.  I said if you think that show is representative of the show that occurred two weeks later that was filmed for the video release, that assumption is flawed because performances can vary night to night, especially when your body is your instrument (IMO).

On a separate note, I also believe that taking one or two recordings from the audience, either clips or full songs, and saying that is representative of the entire show is also a problematic and flawed extrapolation, IMO.

I'd certainly agree on your second point.  Because as awful as 'There Was A Time' and 'You Could Be Mine' are that night, 'The Seeker' is awesome.  Hard to believe its the same guy.

Your first point though, I have a tougher time with.  I suppose its possible he geared it up that one night and hit a homerun, but most of the surrounding shows of that time would suggest that was the anomaly of anomalies.

[Ali]

Then let's clear the air.

I find the soundboard recording of the 11.09.2012 to show Axl in poor voice.  'There Was A Time' probably being the most egregious example.

Am I unqualified to make that statement, as you see it?

No, I never said that.  I said if you think that show is representative of the show that occurred two weeks later that was filmed for the video release, that assumption is flawed because performances can vary night to night, especially when your body is your instrument (IMO).

On a separate note, I also believe that taking one or two recordings from the audience, either clips or full songs, and saying that is representative of the entire show is also a problematic and flawed extrapolation, IMO.

I'd certainly agree on your second point.  Because as awful as 'There Was A Time' and 'You Could Be Mine' are that night, 'The Seeker' is awesome.  Hard to believe its the same guy.

Your first point though, I have a tougher time with.  I suppose its possible he geared it up that one night and hit a homerun, but most of the surrounding shows of that time would suggest that was the anomaly of anomalies.

I was at the last two shows of the first residency, which occurred two and three days after the 11/22/12 concert was filmed.  I felt quite honestly that his voice was stronger at those two shows than the show that was broadcast on Sirius-XM.

Ali

[Nightrain7]

I do understand the argument of "your not at the show, everyone at the show had a great time etc". Of course the fans are going to have a great time at a GN'R gig. But the way I see it, we are all potential customers to this band-eventually "some" people will stop going to these shows because the band is offering nothing new compared to what they may have already seen 10 times. Last year I saw GN'R for 2 shows in a row, show 1 was exciting, show 2 was underwhelming for a GNR gig because  everything was still predictable with no changes to the setlist at all even though the show was 1 hour away in travel time ( surely the band must of recognised a large amount of fans would attend both shows)

Now shouldnt the die hard fans who have spent thousands and thousands of dollars over the last xxx amount of years be enticed with something new that makes them want to go back to the show again?
Or is playing to the wider audience more important?

It saddens me to think if my favourite band  returned to Austrlia with the same show I have seen already 3 times, that I would question attending.

I love new GN'R , but come on guys the fans who really care about the band are the ones who would like to hear new music, not the ones who want to hear Sweet Child on repeat for two hours.

Axl's current voice is a conpletely new argument.

[D-GenerationX]

I do understand the argument of "your not at the show, everyone at the show had a great time etc". Of course the fans are going to have a great time at a GN'R gig. But the way I see it, we are all potential customers to this band-eventually "some" people will stop going to these shows because the band is offering nothing new compared to what they may have already seen 10 times. Last year I saw GN'R for 2 shows in a row, show 1 was exciting, show 2 was underwhelming for a GNR gig because  everything was still predictable with no changes to the setlist at all even though the show was 1 hour away in travel time ( surely the band must of recognised a large amount of fans would attend both shows)

It also implies that people at the shows and we here on fan message boards are mutually exclusive groups.

Is the argument really that those of us coming to this site and others like literally everyday of our lives, talking endlessly about the band...we aren't going to any of these shows when they come around our way, or at least reasonably close?

Does that really make sense?

[NCrazy]

I do understand the argument of "your not at the show, everyone at the show had a great time etc". Of course the fans are going to have a great time at a GN'R gig. But the way I see it, we are all potential customers to this band-eventually "some" people will stop going to these shows because the band is offering nothing new compared to what they may have already seen 10 times. Last year I saw GN'R for 2 shows in a row, show 1 was exciting, show 2 was underwhelming for a GNR gig because  everything was still predictable with no changes to the setlist at all even though the show was 1 hour away in travel time ( surely the band must of recognised a large amount of fans would attend both shows)

It also implies that people at the shows and we here on fan message boards are mutually exclusive groups.

Is the argument really that those of us coming to this site and others like literally everyday of our lives, talking endlessly about the band...we aren't going to any of these shows when they come around our way, or at least reasonably close?

Does that really make sense?

No.  U guys r just goin round in circles beating a dead horse. Have you ever seen a movie, seen a play, go to a Vegas show, listen to a CD etc. more than once? they are all pretty much the same each time. Not to compare Michael Jackson to AXL, but he had 50 shows in a row that were scheduled to perform before his death. I think fans were aware that they were gonna b pretty much the exact same songs & show but many already had tickets to multiple shows because they wanted to see a 50 year old music legend perform live, sound familiar? Thing is, the experience is different each time since you are with different people, in a different mood, miss things the first time around etc. I've seen some of my favorite movies 10-20x,  listen to CD's 100's of times throughout the years as do many other people- & those things r exactly the same each time, So this discussion/debate is really pretty silly don't ya think? It's just entertainment which is very subjective, so If ya got something better to do with your time go for it! 

[Nightrain7]

I do understand the argument of "your not at the show, everyone at the show had a great time etc". Of course the fans are going to have a great time at a GN'R gig. But the way I see it, we are all potential customers to this band-eventually "some" people will stop going to these shows because the band is offering nothing new compared to what they may have already seen 10 times. Last year I saw GN'R for 2 shows in a row, show 1 was exciting, show 2 was underwhelming for a GNR gig because  everything was still predictable with no changes to the setlist at all even though the show was 1 hour away in travel time ( surely the band must of recognised a large amount of fans would attend both shows)

It also implies that people at the shows and we here on fan message boards are mutually exclusive groups.

Is the argument really that those of us coming to this site and others like literally everyday of our lives, talking endlessly about the band...we aren't going to any of these shows when they come around our way, or at least reasonably close?

Does that really make sense?

No.  U guys r just goin round in circles beating a dead horse. Have you ever seen a movie, seen a play, go to a Vegas show, listen to a CD etc. more than once? they are all pretty much the same each time. Not to compare Michael Jackson to AXL, but he had 50 shows in a row that were scheduled to perform before his death. I think fans were aware that they were gonna b pretty much the exact same songs & show but many already had tickets to multiple shows because they wanted to see a 50 year old music legend perform live, sound familiar? Thing is, the experience is different each time since you are with different people, in a different mood, miss things the first time around etc. I've seen some of my favorite movies 10-20x,  listen to CD's 100's of times throughout the years as do many other people- & those things r exactly the same each time, So this discussion/debate is really pretty silly don't ya think? It's just entertainment which is very subjective, so If ya got something better to do with your time go for it! 

If wanting your favourite band to be creative and play new material is " silly" , then the whole music  industry is a joke and has no credibilty what so ever.

[dolphins]

What i really dont understand is how someone, who is touring with GNR in a beautiful country like Brazil, is wasting his time posting and posting on his message board.

Thats so fucking geeky, i can't even start to explain.

Go out, sightseeing. Do stuff, Meet some hot brazilians. Even for someone who looks like you, there must be some chick. 

   That's really rude, I presume Jarmo is paid to do something which might include keeping this forum in order. However personal attacks are totally uncalled for. 

[Avalona]

What i really dont understand is how someone, who is touring with GNR in a beautiful country like Brazil, is wasting his time posting and posting on his message board.

Thats so fucking geeky, i can't even start to explain.

Go out, sightseeing. Do stuff, Meet some hot brazilians. Even for someone who looks like you, there must be some chick. 

   That's really rude, I presume Jarmo is paid to do something which might include keeping this forum in order. However personal attacks are totally uncalled for. 

I know there's no need to defend Jarmo because he's pretty kickass doing an awesome job on posting on his message board. I just wonder at times where he finds the devotion and patience handing us all this first hand info and tending to this board when some peeps just want to jump at him for doing so.

but yeah, he's touring with GNR in a beautiful country like Brazil and still finds the time and spirit of sharing with us. totally geeky. btw anybody notice the geeky guy always gets the hot quality "chicks" in grown up life?
I guess pity really is for free but envy is hard earned.


I tyvm Jarmo and give us more pwease!!! I want pics! pics pics pics!

[Avalona]

I guess Axl's style of singing has developed quite a bit over the years. but listening to some older and new shows it's pretty obvious how strong and mesmerizing his voice is. Imo he might have become a bit too perfect, too accurate. I miss the edgy and scruffy and emotion filled screaming in key. I just really don't see the gain of comparing individual shows with one another. anybody who has ever played an instrument knows how performance can be affected, e.g. by the vibe of the crowd, the venue, the emotions and memories tied to a song, the mood, health, equipment, echoes, the way you hear the band and your own playing, etc.
on vocals it's just a tad tighter, even the slightest cold affects. what you gonna do when you wake up in the morning and you're voice is gone...
so picking out bits and pieces of songs of a live set, ofc you will find a mistake at some point, something that went off. a song that just doesn't rise to some other performance of the same song. maybe even an entire show that went all wrong. but that's why it is a live show and not playback.

[rebelhipi]

http://youtu.be/n-CZAt0caFY?t=11m44s
i finally found it! Teenage Kicks and the first part of Dizzy Fucking Reeds new solo

i love this