Rio de Janeiro, RJ, Brazil, March 20, 2014 updates

[adydas78]

Yeah, at this point I gave up on GNR new music. If I go to a show and AXL performs the hits, it's all I needed / paid for. It's all I plan to see in Vegas in a few weeks. Anything on top of that is a bonus. For new music there's always other bands, Slash new album coming out this year, he probably will tour after, and there you have it: new music, Paradise City and Nightrain in the same show.

[svdv22]

Even though I know I'd attend a show with this same setlist 100 times if I had the money, I have to admit i'm dissapointed.

I honestly dont see the reason not to change a couple of songs. The GNR catalogue is HUGE, you can replace 3 or 4 songs here and there and still satisfy ''casual'' (the ones that fullfill the venues) and ''hardcore fans'' (like us).

And also, I just dont see how the band can feel motivation to play this almost exact setlist for years.

This is the point of view of someone that already attended 10 GNR shows and have tickets for another 6. I'm clearly not an internet whiner behind a monitor.

.    Well said- I'm basically in the same boat- I love being able to see any GnR Show but of course I want to see the one where Axl is top of his game & they play 3-4 hrs. But I accept that's just not possible every show- Axl is over 50 & always gives %100 to his performance while trying to pace himself a bit- He has done a great job of keeping the band alive in a way that works for him-period. Most other big bands charge a fortune especially if u want a decent seat & play 15 -17 at most - go on at 9 end at 11- every fuckin time. No thx! I'll take GnR any day over that!

Couldn't agree more with the both of you :-)

[svdv22]

And also, I just dont see how the band can feel motivation to play this almost exact setlist for years.

It's an honest to god miracle they stick with him.

"Axl, buddy...what are we doing here?" has to be a question they ask, right?

In another post you said you go to the shows and for that 2.5 to 3 hours you don't "worry" about new songs, (lack of) communication etc. If that's true than it wouldn't be hard to realize that the band is having fun with what they're doing, right? Traveling the world with great people, making music with each other. I don't think a setlist change is really required for them to keep having fun.

[JeffK]

From the clips I've seen from the first show...don't cry, bella vita/sweet child, live and let die...Axl sounds awesome and the rest of the band seem to be in mid tour form already! Can't wait for Vegas!!

[GypsySoul]

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Awesome pics!!!  Thanks for sharing! 

Bumblefoot retweeted this one.

❤1967 - forever ∞ ‏@rhiannonheaps1
bumblefoot is a beast @bumblefoot  #gnr #bumblefoot pic.twitter.com/uSvZL8NWK3

[rebelhipi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkGrO0BpubE
1:10 thats one badass beard

[rebelhipi]

A part of Richards new solo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df9C4UyJkgM&list=UUSt4tkACszaXcGoxZ4duc-w
A part of La Bella Vita https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOniuxj2JKA&list=UUSt4tkACszaXcGoxZ4duc-w

[D-GenerationX]

In another post you said you go to the shows and for that 2.5 to 3 hours you don't "worry" about new songs, (lack of) communication etc. If that's true than it wouldn't be hard to realize that the band is having fun with what they're doing, right? Traveling the world with great people, making music with each other. I don't think a setlist change is really required for them to keep having fun.

But they don't make any music.  That's the whole point here.  They are in a band that does not do anything creatively.

Yes, I think the comparison to my earlier point about how its not a concern whilst on stage is a good one.  But in a bigger picture sense, where is any of this going?  Is it just a paycheck every 12-18 months?  Look how the others talk about how much fun they have with their side projects.  Presumably, its because they write and record music.  It's kind of the job.

Except in this band.

[GypsySoul]

Look how the others talk about how much fun they have with their side projects.  Presumably, its because they write and record music.  It's kind of the job.

Except in this band.

I think your presumption is wrong.
It's so much easier for them to talk about what's going on with their side projects because every word isn't scrutinized/dissected like it is when they're talking about anything GNR.

[Will]

Better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkGrO0BpubE
Patience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWHfbHlaMfU (good sound)

Thanks to the uploaders!

[GypsySoul]

Maur?cio Mascheroni
With Dj ASHBA?, Axl Rose, Frank Ferrer and Richard Fortus at HSBC ARENA.

[GNR2014]

Look how the others talk about how much fun they have with their side projects.  Presumably, its because they write and record music.  It's kind of the job.

Except in this band.

I think your presumption is wrong.
It's so much easier for them to talk about what's going on with their side projects because every word isn't scrutinized/dissected like it is when they're talking about anything GNR.

I don't think that's fair Gypsy.
The band members either speak about GNR in terms that are so vague, they invite dissection and scrutiny.
In other cases, things the band members say and repeat, year after year, rarely come to fruition.
It's just a rock band, not the CIA.

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[GypsySoul]

I don't think that's fair Gypsy.
The band members either speak about GNR in terms that are so vague, they invite dissection and scrutiny.
In other cases, things the band members say and repeat, year after year, rarely come to fruition.
It's just a rock band, not the CIA.

Still doesn't mean they enjoy their side projects better than being in GNR.  Apples and Oranges.
Lucky for them and us that they can do both!!!

It's like when any one of them says something along the lines of "I have a blast doing the solo gigs but GNR pays the bills."  All the negative ninnies go ape shit about "so-n-so said he's only in GNR for the money!!!  "

Seriously?  Does anyone truly believe that any of the guys are in GNR "only for the money"?? 

As for the guys saying and repeating things that rarely come to fruition:  First off, those repeated answers are to questions that have been asked a gazzillion times ... over and over and over.  How many ways can they say "we don't have an answer right now. We are working on it but at the moment it's out of our control"? (Example:  the hold-up to the 3D release).  Can you really blame someone being asked a question for the umpteenth time to give a silly or nonsensical answer to something that doesn't have an answer? 

I'm NOT saying that the fans shouldn't ask 'those' questions or want a new album or hear new songs at the shows, etc.  We want those things because we are fans.  I think the band understands how frustrating it is for us.  Would be nice if some of us could try to understand how frustrating the business aspect of the job can be for them.

And a preemptive strike on those who are going to argue "well other bands do it".
Way more bands DON'T do it and the ones that do are more than likely in an entirely different position dealing with contractual issue than GNR. 


So I think my reply to D-GenerationX was fair. 

[D-GenerationX]

So I think my reply to D-GenerationX was fair. 

No, I thought it was fair.

End of the day, its just my opinion.  Might be right, might be wrong.  Who knows, really?

I just think you have to really ask yourself this.  If you told Ron in 2006 and then DJ in 2009 that come 2014 they would be no closer to releasing music like a band...would they have believed you?  One enters a band under the premise the group of them will create music.  This band does not do that.

Is this what they signed up for, do you think?

[GypsySoul]

I just think you have to really ask yourself this.  If you told Ron in 2006 and then DJ in 2009 that come 2014 they would be no closer to releasing music like a band...would they have believed you?  One enters a band under the premise the group of them will create music.  This band does not do that.

Is this what they signed up for, do you think?

As with everything we're talking about, we don't know (nor IMO should we be privy too) the specifics of any of these business contracts/negotiations.

That being said, by 2006 CD was what like 14, 15, 16 years in the making?  If you willingly signed a contract at that particular point in time, I imagine your eyes would have been pretty wide open.  Coming on board in 2009 is different obviously because CD was released but being witness to the way things were handled (business-wise) with the release, again, your eyes should have been open.

GNR history should tell everyone involved that each individual member doesn't need to be in the same room at the same time to create music.  And all the guys have stated their goal is to create and release new GNR music.  Something is preventing that from happening.  What that something is .... ??

And what the guys actually did "sign up for" is IMO info between them and the suits.

I think we can agree that everyone in GNR is just as frustrated with the situation as the fans.  And just like the fans, each individual expresses that frustration differently.

[Ja5oN]

No one is stoppin' you
From a doin what you want to do