Guns N' Roses Facebook Update

[jarmo]

That all depends on the situation.



Anyway... I still don't understand how some of you seem to be condoning the hate aimed at your favorite band, or people around it, by select individuals on the Internet and when somebody speaks out against them, you attack that somebody.




/jarmo

[Princess Leia]

Of course they have no right to insult fans!

You're making a generalization. Which people who feel singled out always do.
Why don't I feel insulted by that post? I'm a fan too!

Fans buy albums and tickets. Fans have been dealing with riots, cancelled tours, delays, members changes. And now fans have to deal with insults as well?

More generalizations. Would you also say the same fans rioted in Vancouver, St Louis and Montreal?
Of course not.

Read the fucking update. They're not insulting fans or attacking fans. Only people with some kind of weird wish to dislike GN'R more sees it that way.
You make it sound like all fans were insulted.

I'll give you an example.
If, for some reason, you would go see GN'R at a show and the person next to you throws shit and yells insults at the band. Would you A: think it's his/her right since (s)he's a fan who paid for the ticket or B. wish that person was escorted out of the venue?

How dare Axl or Tommy speak out against people throwing shit at the band at shows! They got no right to attack fans!
Nobody would be so stupid as to object to that! But when it happens on the Internet, it's ok. Poor "fans".


There's no resentment towards fans. The update spoke about a little clique of Internet trolls who only seek attention because for some reason they didn't get enough in their life. The same kind of people who go to shows to throw shit at the band. Actually, they even thanked those fans! How is that insulting or attacking....

Just because you bought an album in 1987 doesn't give you the right to act like a fucking ass clown on the Internet in 2014. Have some common sense and see what it was instead of constantly crying about how you feel insulted.




/jarmo

I understand that fans crossed the line with comments and trolling all the time. But you have to understand that for a guy who loves Robin or Buckethead or Brain it is tough to deal with the fact that they are not there anymore. Not to mention the fans of the original GN?R. Or fans who want a new album. So they are angry and they express their anger in a very unpolite way. However managers shouldn?t put themselves at the same level of some angry fan or a mere troll. THIS IS WHAT I?M AGAINST!Managers, GN?R Camp or Axl himself must act in a professional, serious and mature way. They should be more business savvy.

So from the business perspective. That facebook statement it?s mere trolling. They could ignore those unhappy fans or they could address the issue using other kind of language. Axl thanked the fans on twitter. That facebook rant was unnecessary and out of place.

The same with the comments about the RHCP. Who gives a fuck about the RHCP??? Only Axl. So next time Axl should call Flea or Kiedis and tell them only

Axl again missed a good opportunity to talk about the up coming shows. I?d like to hear Axl talking about how proud he is of the band. How happy he is about touring again. This is just an example of things Axl should be telling fans and the general public. Rally the fans!!! Axl talks Super Bowl, NFL. So Axl should be spending time and effort in making the GN?R fans the GN?R #12 just like Seahawks fans are. He is doing exactly the opposite!

[Ali]

Of course they have no right to insult fans!

You're making a generalization. Which people who feel singled out always do.
Why don't I feel insulted by that post? I'm a fan too!

Fans buy albums and tickets. Fans have been dealing with riots, cancelled tours, delays, members changes. And now fans have to deal with insults as well?

More generalizations. Would you also say the same fans rioted in Vancouver, St Louis and Montreal?
Of course not.

Read the fucking update. They're not insulting fans or attacking fans. Only people with some kind of weird wish to dislike GN'R more sees it that way.
You make it sound like all fans were insulted.

I'll give you an example.
If, for some reason, you would go see GN'R at a show and the person next to you throws shit and yells insults at the band. Would you A: think it's his/her right since (s)he's a fan who paid for the ticket or B. wish that person was escorted out of the venue?

How dare Axl or Tommy speak out against people throwing shit at the band at shows! They got no right to attack fans!
Nobody would be so stupid as to object to that! But when it happens on the Internet, it's ok. Poor "fans".


There's no resentment towards fans. The update spoke about a little clique of Internet trolls who only seek attention because for some reason they didn't get enough in their life. The same kind of people who go to shows to throw shit at the band. Actually, they even thanked those fans! How is that insulting or attacking....

Just because you bought an album in 1987 doesn't give you the right to act like a fucking ass clown on the Internet in 2014. Have some common sense and see what it was instead of constantly crying about how you feel insulted.




/jarmo

I understand that fans crossed the line with comments and trolling all the time. But you have to understand that for a guy who loves Robin or Buckethead or Brain it is tough to deal with the fact that they are not there anymore. Not to mention the fans of the original GN?R. Or fans who want a new album. So they are angry and they express their anger in a very unpolite way. However managers shouldn?t put themselves at the same level of some angry fan or a mere troll. THIS IS WHAT I?M AGAINST!Managers, GN?R Camp or Axl himself must act in a professional, serious and mature way. They should be more business savvy.

So from the business perspective. That facebook statement it?s mere trolling. They could ignore those unhappy fans or they could address the issue using other kind of language. Axl thanked the fans on twitter. That facebook rant was unnecessary and out of place.

The same with the comments about the RHCP. Who gives a fuck about the RHCP??? Only Axl. So next time Axl should call Flea or Kiedis and tell them only

Axl again missed a good opportunity to talk about the up coming shows. I?d like to hear Axl talking about how proud he is of the band. How happy he is about touring again. This is just an example of things Axl should be telling fans and the general public. Rally the fans!!! Axl talks Super Bowl, NFL. So Axl should be spending time and effort in making the GN?R fans the GN?R #12 just like Seahawks fans are. He is doing exactly the opposite!

I don't think being a fan gives you carte blanche to say whatever you want, however you want.  Again, that goes back to a feeling of entitlement, IMO, as well as the bravery and/or stupidity that comes from the veil of anonymity the internet provides.  I don't think it really has anything to do with the "tough time" being faced by those who miss former members.

Could the post been worded differently?  Sure.  But, I don't think it was impolite.  I think it was honest and direct.

Ali

[jarmo]

I understand that fans crossed the line with comments and trolling all the time. But you have to understand that for a guy who loves Robin or Buckethead or Brain it is tough to deal with the fact that they are not there anymore. Not to mention the fans of the original GN?R. Or fans who want a new album. So they are angry and they express their anger in a very unpolite way. However managers shouldn?t put themselves at the same level of some angry fan or a mere troll. THIS IS WHAT I?M AGAINST!Managers, GN?R Camp or Axl himself must act in a professional, serious and mature way. They should be more business savvy.

So in other words you should kiss the ass of the people who spread hate?


It's the Internet. The place everybody can be somebody, and that's great. But it also gives people the opportunity to act the way they would never do in "real" life. Somebody might be 14 or 40, you don't know. I bet if you actually met some of these people, you wouldn't take anything they say seriously. Because nobody would take a stranger on the street yelling that you're an idiot seriously. But on the Internet, that kind of behavior gets followers....



/jarmo

[JAEBALL]

For anybody who is a sports fan..


fans yell and scream DISGUSTING things at players all the time....

its not right...

but if the athlete yells back at a fan... hes probably going to get suspended... or like the college bball player who just shoved a fan.... big no no no



so like I tried to convey earlier.... i just don't think whoever wrote that should be posting it... looks shitty , they should be bigger than that like the athlete is expected to be

just my opinion ... this has nothing to do with how I feel about Guns N roses or Axl whatever, in all walks of life... dont tank on the consumer

[jarmo]

Well, people gets escorted out from shows if they need the attention.


But we're not talking about people at shows or sporting events. We're talking about the fact that some think it's their right to spew any kind of negative, hateful shit they want on the Internet. And it's aimed at people in YOUR FAVORITE band.

And you still think it's right.





/jarmo

[Ali]

For anybody who is a sports fan..


fans yell and scream DISGUSTING things at players all the time....

its not right...

but if the athlete yells back at a fan... hes probably going to get suspended... or like the college bball player who just shoved a fan.... big no no no



so like I tried to convey earlier.... i just don't think whoever wrote that should be posting it... looks shitty , they should be bigger than that like the athlete is expected to be

just my opinion ... this has nothing to do with how I feel about Guns N roses or Axl whatever, in all walks of life... dont tank on the consumer

I understand what you're saying, but in the case of the OK State player who shoved a fan, that was physical contact against a specific fan.

This GN'R Facebook post was not directed at any specific individual.

Ali

[D-GenerationX]

Well Doc, I think the DeLorean got misplaced so I can't go back to 1985 to find the pieces. 


I'll give you a hint from personal experience. I've been told that apparently I'm nicer in person than I am on this board. So, go figure. If you think you know me by reading these words, think again. I think the same applies to most people.

All people can do is base their opinion on what a person gives them.

If someone chooses to act like a lunatic in public, but in truth is a prince of a guy and just never shows that side, that's their prerogative, obviously.

But the shoulder shrugs about why people think what they may think about you are pretty disingenuous.  Its not exactly the riddle of the sphinx here.  Perception is often reality.

[D-GenerationX]

Well, people gets escorted out from shows if they need the attention.


But we're not talking about people at shows or sporting events. We're talking about the fact that some think it's their right to spew any kind of negative, hateful shit they want on the Internet. And it's aimed at people in YOUR FAVORITE band.

And you still think it's right.

Most people just give an honest assessment.

The disconnect seems to be when people would rather not hear that assessment if its not all sunshine and puppy dog tails.  And if this is your favorite band, that's all you should ever say, apparently.  Everything is awesome.  And problems?  What problems?

Well, this isn't fantasyland.  People can only comment on the reality in front of them.

[D-GenerationX]

My point is, while they may not exactly "hate" the fans, they sure as hell don't take us all that seriously, die-hard loyals included.

True, but we enable that.

A lot of fans make the "battered wife" comparison, but that's a bit much.  Domestic violence is a damn sight more serious than anything involving the goings on of a rock band.

But the reality is that for all the "complaints, complaints, complaints" (as a wise woman once said) we tolerate it.  In actuality, its pretty foolish for us to expect he is going to change.  For all the questioning of his motives and logic behind certain moves, we all stick around, don't we?

[JAEBALL]

Well, people gets escorted out from shows if they need the attention.


But we're not talking about people at shows or sporting events. We're talking about the fact that some think it's their right to spew any kind of negative, hateful shit they want on the Internet. And it's aimed at people in YOUR FAVORITE band.

And you still think it's right.





/jarmo

I am not arguing at all that some people should be given a muzzle....unfortunately GNR's up n down history brings out some of it... but thats not the point here

are some of the comments just nasty and unwarranted? of course they are

I just dont think its right or wise for any public entity to go after the consumer... thats all Im saying

[jarmo]

are some of the comments just nasty and unwarranted? of course they are

Exactly.

I just dont think its right or wise for any public entity to go after the consumer... thats all Im saying

You need to clarify what you said because they didn't go after the consumer, they just made a comment about a small number of people.


And I'm not saying you can't like the FB page because you only liked GN'R from 1987 to 1990 or whatever. Or only liked the band when Buckethead was in the band. That's your choice.
I object to the fact that some use the disguise of being a fan as an excuse to post hateful comments.

So if you bought some albums and concert tickets 20+ years ago, why is it ok for you to post shit about Axl, Dj or anybody in the band today?




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

I just dont think its right or wise for any public entity to go after the consumer... thats all Im saying

Tough to win a fight you pick with your own fans.  Artists, athletes, whoever.  The chances the fan is going to say you have a point ain't great.

[Mysteron]

Of course they have no right to insult fans!

You're making a generalization. Which people who feel singled out always do.
Why don't I feel insulted by that post? I'm a fan too!

Fans buy albums and tickets. Fans have been dealing with riots, cancelled tours, delays, members changes. And now fans have to deal with insults as well?

More generalizations. Would you also say the same fans rioted in Vancouver, St Louis and Montreal?
Of course not.

Read the fucking update. They're not insulting fans or attacking fans. Only people with some kind of weird wish to dislike GN'R more sees it that way.
You make it sound like all fans were insulted.

I'll give you an example.
If, for some reason, you would go see GN'R at a show and the person next to you throws shit and yells insults at the band. Would you A: think it's his/her right since (s)he's a fan who paid for the ticket or B. wish that person was escorted out of the venue?

How dare Axl or Tommy speak out against people throwing shit at the band at shows! They got no right to attack fans!
Nobody would be so stupid as to object to that! But when it happens on the Internet, it's ok. Poor "fans".


There's no resentment towards fans. The update spoke about a little clique of Internet trolls who only seek attention because for some reason they didn't get enough in their life. The same kind of people who go to shows to throw shit at the band. Actually, they even thanked those fans! How is that insulting or attacking....

Just because you bought an album in 1987 doesn't give you the right to act like a fucking ass clown on the Internet in 2014. Have some common sense and see what it was instead of constantly crying about how you feel insulted.




/jarmo

I understand that fans crossed the line with comments and trolling all the time. But you have to understand that for a guy who loves Robin or Buckethead or Brain it is tough to deal with the fact that they are not there anymore. Not to mention the fans of the original GN?R. Or fans who want a new album. So they are angry and they express their anger in a very unpolite way. However managers shouldn?t put themselves at the same level of some angry fan or a mere troll. THIS IS WHAT I?M AGAINST!Managers, GN?R Camp or Axl himself must act in a professional, serious and mature way. They should be more business savvy.

So from the business perspective. That facebook statement it?s mere trolling. They could ignore those unhappy fans or they could address the issue using other kind of language. Axl thanked the fans on twitter. That facebook rant was unnecessary and out of place.

The same with the comments about the RHCP. Who gives a fuck about the RHCP??? Only Axl. So next time Axl should call Flea or Kiedis and tell them only

Axl again missed a good opportunity to talk about the up coming shows. I?d like to hear Axl talking about how proud he is of the band. How happy he is about touring again. This is just an example of things Axl should be telling fans and the general public. Rally the fans!!! Axl talks Super Bowl, NFL. So Axl should be spending time and effort in making the GN?R fans the GN?R #12 just like Seahawks fans are. He is doing exactly the opposite!

Lordy, I can see why he is called Hands Solo now. Who would want to be sharing a bed with you 

Let Axl vent, let the fans enjoy it, and let 2014 be a good year for the fans that like GN'R now and want to get involved in the whole atmosphere of it all. You are a real buzzkill. Go away

[Princess Leia]

I understand that fans crossed the line with comments and trolling all the time. But you have to understand that for a guy who loves Robin or Buckethead or Brain it is tough to deal with the fact that they are not there anymore. Not to mention the fans of the original GN?R. Or fans who want a new album. So they are angry and they express their anger in a very unpolite way. However managers shouldn?t put themselves at the same level of some angry fan or a mere troll. THIS IS WHAT I?M AGAINST!Managers, GN?R Camp or Axl himself must act in a professional, serious and mature way. They should be more business savvy.

So in other words you should kiss the ass of the people who spread hate?


It's the Internet. The place everybody can be somebody, and that's great. But it also gives people the opportunity to act the way they would never do in "real" life. Somebody might be 14 or 40, you don't know. I bet if you actually met some of these people, you wouldn't take anything they say seriously. Because nobody would take a stranger on the street yelling that you're an idiot seriously. But on the Internet, that kind of behavior gets followers....



/jarmo

  The GN?R Camp made a statement in their official Facebook. They better get used to the fact that there are fans who don?t like the new band nor CD.  This debate has been going on for about 15 years. Nobody can change how people think and what they like. And a statement like that only make things worst. Don?t you think it is a better strategy to make a statement about the up coming tour?

[jarmo]

So you're against the whole update that thanked all fans for their support and only briefly mentioned hateful Internet trolls?
The same people you say you understand that it's wrong of them to do what they do...

I love how you took a positive message that thanked the fans, singled out basically a sentence, and made a big deal out of it it while managing to basically turn the whole message into something negative...





/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

The GN?R Camp made a statement in their official Facebook. They better get used to the fact that there are fans who don?t like the new band nor CD.  This debate has been going on for about 15 years. Nobody can change how people think and what they like. And a statement like that only make things worst. Don?t you think it is a better strategy to make a statement about the up coming tour?

First off, I agree with you.

But look at the man at the top.  The most extensive promotion he did of his 10 years in the works album were those internet chats.  And how much time was spent on talking up the new album or putting the new guys over?  Compare that to how much time he spent shitting on Slash and message board moderators.

[D-GenerationX]

I love how you took a positive message that thanked the fans, singled out basically a sentence, and made a big deal out of it it while managing to basically turn the whole message into something negative...

Why even include it? 

Do a quick cost/benefit analysis.  People who think that sort of statement has any relevance already think like that.  But you are going to get far more blowback over it than "right on!"s.

So why do it?

[jarmo]

... while we ignore the hate aimed at your favorite band.....


Maybe the reason for all this is that you hate the band too so it's difficult for you to condemn that kind of behavior? We're talking about "knowing somebody" by reading their posts right? So the few of you obviously never had anything nice to say about the band, and since you bought some albums at some point, it's ok for you to hate the band and Axl all you want. And anybody who dares to speak out is "unprofessional".

You guys are pure comedy in your bitterness toward the band. Yet here you are, year after year... Trying to act like you're "real fans".

Oh no, I attacked all GN'R fans!

Yeah, that was a joke. I can make generalizations too you know?

Do a quick cost/benefit analysis.  People who think that sort of statement has any relevance already think like that.  But you are going to get far more blowback over it than "right on!"s.

So why do it?

Because it needed to be said at the time?

Chances are that if you speak out on something, somebody will get upset. We all know that. It's life.

But I still think it's telling that you're so sensitive to somebody speaking out against people filled with hate toward your favorite band. Yes, I keep repeating it because it can't be pointed out enough.
I just don't get it.

Some of you seem to have shown more understanding for these Internet trolls than toward the band. Amazing.
Do you use the same logic in other cases too? If somebody bullies your kid, are you gonna go "it's ok, he/she had a tough childhood"..... Or maybe you'd get mad at the person pointing out that the bullying isn't cool.



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Because it needed to be said at the time?

Chances are that if you speak out on something, somebody will get upset. We all know that. It's life.

But I still think it's telling that you're so sensitive to somebody speaking out against people filled with hate toward your favorite band. Yes, I keep repeating it because it can't be pointed out enough.
I just don't get it.

And I was told just last week to stop pointing out that you are little more than their freakin' shill running a state run media site.  The point was made, I was told.  Let it go, they said. 

Should I now chastise you for beating your own dead horse?  Or is this "different", because its you?

The reality is that if people are still bitter about the break up 17 god damn years later, they will never change.  But there are other of us out there that made our peace with the break up, but aren't going to be lectured about being "disloyal" because we dare notice when something gets fucked up.

All a comment like that one does is hurt.  It never helps.  The only ones that thinks it has merit are people they already have under the influence, such as yourself.