Guns N' Roses Facebook Update

[Mysteron]

Heh, here we go

Looks like the band have returned. Roll on 2014

[cotis]

I'll give you a hint from personal experience. I've been told that apparently I'm nicer in person than I am on this board. So, go figure. If you think you know me by reading these words, think again. I think the same applies to most people.


/jarmo

this is true... unless you're named 'cotis'.

 

[14 Yrs Of Silence]

Sounds like someone is getting a little fire in their belly.  I like it.

[Siamese Democracy]

Well Doc, I think the DeLorean got misplaced so I can't go back to 1985 to find the pieces. 



/jarmo

LOL good one Jarmo!   That cracked me up 

[Princess Leia]

Well Doc, I think the DeLorean got misplaced so I can't go back to 1985 to find the pieces. 


I'll give you a hint from personal experience. I've been told that apparently I'm nicer in person than I am on this board. So, go figure. If you think you know me by reading these words, think again. I think the same applies to most people.




/jarmo

Is this all you have to say about Axl?s many human virtues? Now I see clearly that Axl is such great and amazing person. Pope Francis must be really jealous.

 

[jarmo]

You're using the head of the Catholic church as the measurement of of good somebody can be? Uh oh....

The fact remains, you judge a person by what you read.... Mostly written by others.


And you believe Axl wrote that update because you believe the things you read about him. No matter how ridiculous it seems if you actually think about it.



/jarmo

[GNR2014]

I?m not a fan of who he is as a person. I don?t like him at all.

Spoken like a true Slash-fan/reunionist. 

What does Slash have to do with this?

[Princess Leia]

You're using the head of the Catholic church as the measurement of of good somebody can be? Uh oh....

The fact remains, you judge a person by what you read.... Mostly written by others.


And you believe Axl wrote that update because you believe the things you read about him. No matter how ridiculous it seems if you actually think about it.



/jarmo

First of all I don?t have any obligation to like Axl Rose the person. Second you have spent great deal of time with him. So please tell me he is a beautiful and amazing person. Yes, I believe the things writen about Axl because those things don?t come from one source only. Many people over the years have said things about his character. Besides there are things Axl has said, done or written himself before this last statement on the GN?R facebook.

The only ridiculous thing about the facebook statement is that they have no right to say those things about fans. Fans have been dealing with a lot of things for 20 years. If there are fans who want a reunion. If there are fans who like Fink and not DJ. If there are fans who don?t like CD. If there are fans who want a new album. They have the right to speak freely about how they feel without having to deal with insults by the GN?R Camp.

[jarmo]

The only ridiculous thing about the facebook statement is that they have no right to say those things about fans. Fans have been dealing with a lot of things for 20 years. If there are fans who want a reunion. If there are fans who like Fink and not DJ. If there are fans who don?t like CD. If there are fans who want a new album. They have the right to speak freely about how they feel without having to deal with insults by the GN?R Camp.

The ridiculous thing is that you believe Axl micromanages every single detail about GN'R to the point where you think he posts Facebook updates....

They have "no right"? So "freedom of speech" only works one way? Isn't that special?
It's ok for you to spew out any kind of hateful negative crap but if the band says they don't agree with your behavior, they don't have the right to do so?


It amuses me to see the reaction from the people who have that opinion. Every time somebody in the GN'R camp dares to point out what they do, these people attack the person(s) doing so. Wonder why you're feeling singled out...




/jarmo

[Princess Leia]

The only ridiculous thing about the facebook statement is that they have no right to say those things about fans. Fans have been dealing with a lot of things for 20 years. If there are fans who want a reunion. If there are fans who like Fink and not DJ. If there are fans who don?t like CD. If there are fans who want a new album. They have the right to speak freely about how they feel without having to deal with insults by the GN?R Camp.

The ridiculous thing is that you believe Axl micromanages every single detail about GN'R to the point where you think he posts Facebook updates....

They have "no right"? So "freedom of speech" only works one way? Isn't that special?
It's ok for you to spew out any kind of hateful negative crap but if the band says they don't agree with your behavior, they don't have the right to do so?


It amuses me to see the reaction from the people who have that opinion. Every time somebody in the GN'R camp dares to point out what they do, these people attack the person(s) doing so. Wonder why you're feeling singled out...




/jarmo

Of course they have no right to insult fans! Fans buy albums and tickets. Fans have been dealing with riots, cancelled tours, delays, members changes. And now fans have to deal with insults as well? They could?ve been a bit more politically correct and I say something like "... And to all those oppose, well..." if they wanted to say something to fans that complaint too much. I think there is more than one way to express something. I didn?t say Axl necessarilly wrote it. I said that even if someone else did it Axl knows about it. And he stands by every word in the statement.

[JAEBALL]

The only ridiculous thing about the facebook statement is that they have no right to say those things about fans. Fans have been dealing with a lot of things for 20 years. If there are fans who want a reunion. If there are fans who like Fink and not DJ. If there are fans who don?t like CD. If there are fans who want a new album. They have the right to speak freely about how they feel without having to deal with insults by the GN?R Camp.

The ridiculous thing is that you believe Axl micromanages every single detail about GN'R to the point where you think he posts Facebook updates....

They have "no right"? So "freedom of speech" only works one way? Isn't that special?
It's ok for you to spew out any kind of hateful negative crap but if the band says they don't agree with your behavior, they don't have the right to do so?


It amuses me to see the reaction from the people who have that opinion. Every time somebody in the GN'R camp dares to point out what they do, these people attack the person(s) doing so. Wonder why you're feeling singled out...




/jarmo

I agree with you.... freedom of speech is freedom of speech...it should work both ways....


but the fans are the customer...and there are a lot of fans of the current version of GNR only because they became fans of what GNR did a long time ago...is it really good business to attack those people?

and unfortunately there does seem to be a pattern of resentment towards that part of the fan base... which kinda sucks , because all of the people involved are only in their current position based on what the past built


so in summary... i certainly understand where the "GNR camp" is coming from.. who likes being criticized?

but they should also probably curtail publically going after consumers... and remember why there are 27 million facebook followers....... there is a lot of history that built that

[Avalona]

GNR boards should come with free migraine tablets I swear.
So we're talking about a band who became famous for not giving a flying F about what anybody thought about them... once declared as the most dangerous band in the world... and that should now somehow transform into a band that curtails publically, kissing the behinds of people who are attacking them and insulting individual bandmembers in the most vulgar and despicable way?

I just love it when people yell: "freedom of speech" declaring the internet as legal free room where they can bash on others who have been quite a lot more successful in their lives, so they don't have to deal with their own.
opinions are covered by freedom of speech; coating an opinion into an insult is definitely not! and people can easily voice their opinion without insults (a thing we do everyday in real life^^)
so when Guns reply to such comments explaining how they feel about them that is wrong? I can't even see an insult in that statement since nobody is attacked personnally for having that or this opinion, it's kept generally towards those who give their opinion using insults. so if anybody feels addressed... go figure.

I thought it was a very cute, honest and lovely way of saying "thank you" to the caring fans. and I also think it's about time boundaries are set for the haters, since they also adversely affect the people who would like to enjoy their favourite band without hassle, arguments and low life BS remarks.

double talking jive motherfuckers! 

[jarmo]

Of course they have no right to insult fans!

You're making a generalization. Which people who feel singled out always do.
Why don't I feel insulted by that post? I'm a fan too!

Fans buy albums and tickets. Fans have been dealing with riots, cancelled tours, delays, members changes. And now fans have to deal with insults as well?

More generalizations. Would you also say the same fans rioted in Vancouver, St Louis and Montreal?
Of course not.

Read the fucking update. They're not insulting fans or attacking fans. Only people with some kind of weird wish to dislike GN'R more sees it that way.
You make it sound like all fans were insulted.

I'll give you an example.
If, for some reason, you would go see GN'R at a show and the person next to you throws shit and yells insults at the band. Would you A: think it's his/her right since (s)he's a fan who paid for the ticket or B. wish that person was escorted out of the venue?

How dare Axl or Tommy speak out against people throwing shit at the band at shows! They got no right to attack fans!
Nobody would be so stupid as to object to that! But when it happens on the Internet, it's ok. Poor "fans".


There's no resentment towards fans. The update spoke about a little clique of Internet trolls who only seek attention because for some reason they didn't get enough in their life. The same kind of people who go to shows to throw shit at the band. Actually, they even thanked those fans! How is that insulting or attacking....

Just because you bought an album in 1987 doesn't give you the right to act like a fucking ass clown on the Internet in 2014. Have some common sense and see what it was instead of constantly crying about how you feel insulted.




/jarmo

[Ginger King]

The only ridiculous thing about the facebook statement is that they have no right to say those things about fans. Fans have been dealing with a lot of things for 20 years. If there are fans who want a reunion. If there are fans who like Fink and not DJ. If there are fans who don?t like CD. If there are fans who want a new album. They have the right to speak freely about how they feel without having to deal with insults by the GN?R Camp.

The ridiculous thing is that you believe Axl micromanages every single detail about GN'R to the point where you think he posts Facebook updates....

They have "no right"? So "freedom of speech" only works one way? Isn't that special?
It's ok for you to spew out any kind of hateful negative crap but if the band says they don't agree with your behavior, they don't have the right to do so?


It amuses me to see the reaction from the people who have that opinion. Every time somebody in the GN'R camp dares to point out what they do, these people attack the person(s) doing so. Wonder why you're feeling singled out...




/jarmo

I agree with you.... freedom of speech is freedom of speech...it should work both ways....


but the fans are the customer...and there are a lot of fans of the current version of GNR only because they became fans of what GNR did a long time ago...is it really good business to attack those people?

and unfortunately there does seem to be a pattern of resentment towards that part of the fan base... which kinda sucks , because all of the people involved are only in their current position based on what the past built


so in summary... i certainly understand where the "GNR camp" is coming from.. who likes being criticized?

but they should also probably curtail publically going after consumers... and remember why there are 27 million facebook followers....... there is a lot of history that built that

Exactly...you have the right to say what you want, but it's probably not wise to condemn the fan base that helped you to have such a large following.  Whether you like it or not, when people think Guns n Roses, they don't think CD (or Richard Fortus)...they think AFD, UYI, Axl, Slash, Duff, etc.  If you want that to change (as hard as that may be) then the current lineup needs to create and release music to distance themselves from the past.  Telling people to forget about the past (and ridiculing them in the process) ain't the way to do it.  Give them a reason to do it. 

Here's hoping 2014 provides the reason.

[jarmo]

Once again.

They aren't attacking fans in general!
Read it again.
They, do, not, hate, their, fans.



Why is it that only the few fans who seem to object the most to Axl and GN'R these days are the ones who feel that GN'R attacked all fans? 



/jarmo

[sofine11]

They, do, not, hate, their, fans.

/jarmo

Eh, that's debatable.   

[jarmo]

Ok, maybe you're the exception.... 




/jarmo

[sofine11]

Ok, maybe you're the exception.... 




/jarmo

Could be.  Then again, Ron made fun of you in that video where he mimed you going "Hello. I. Am. Jarmo." like a robot and you're a "model fan".   

[jarmo]

Could be.  Then again, Ron made fun of you in that video where he mimed you going "Hello. I. Am. Jarmo." like a robot and you're a "model fan".   

What's your point?




/jarmo

[sofine11]

Could be.  Then again, Ron made fun of you in that video where he mimed you going "Hello. I. Am. Jarmo." like a robot and you're a "model fan".   

What's your point?




/jarmo

My point is, while they may not exactly "hate" the fans, they sure as hell don't take us all that seriously, die-hard loyals included.